Natural Protection from Pertussis

[Guest guest]

Is there a natural way to protect my baby from Pertussis? We have a

lot of cases of Pertussis here and I'm interested what I can do to

avoid this vaccine but yet protect my baby from this illness through

natural ways. Obviously, one good way is to avoid situations where my

baby is expsed to others that are sick but what else can I do? Also,

does anyone know if there are parents support groups here in

Massachusetts? Or is anyone here from Massachusetts? Thanks for any

help you can offer.

[Guest guest]

Breastfeeding comes to mind. Also taking good care of yourself to better produce

healthy and good amounts of milk to protect your baby....Anita

aheart4family <aheart4family@...> wrote: Is there a natural way to

protect my baby from Pertussis? We have a

lot of cases of Pertussis here and I'm interested what I can do to

avoid this vaccine but yet protect my baby from this illness through

natural ways. Obviously, one good way is to avoid situations where my

baby is expsed to others that are sick but what else can I do? Also,

does anyone know if there are parents support groups here in

Massachusetts? Or is anyone here from Massachusetts? Thanks for any

help you can offer.

[Guest guest]

Breastfeeding isnt always an option, some women cant do it

physically.

Is there a natural way

to protect my baby from Pertussis? We have a

> lot of cases of Pertussis here and I'm interested what I can do to

> avoid this vaccine but yet protect my baby from this illness

through

> natural ways. Obviously, one good way is to avoid situations where

my

> baby is expsed to others that are sick but what else can I do?

Also,

> does anyone know if there are parents support groups here in

> Massachusetts? Or is anyone here from Massachusetts? Thanks for

any

> help you can offer.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Breastfeeding isnt always an option, some women cant do it

> physically.

>

#### Interestingly, I believe this only happens in about 5% of cases. I

know one personally: a friend of mine had a breast reduction surgery

years ago when they didn't really pay attention to milk ducts all that

much. She has not been able to breastfeed.

Local La Leche groups and a lactation consultant are your best bets

when it comes to successfully breastfeeding - there is a ton of help

and info available.

Otherwise, as with any disease, keeping your immune system strong is in

order. Keep a good diet and take extra probiotics and vitamin C during

flu/cold seasons or to simply boost your immune system.

Magda

[Guest guest]

That's true. I guess if we can, we should seriously consider breastfeeding to

provide the best, natural protection of our babies; nothing compares. I'm not

sure if that's the case for our Mass. mom (I didn't see your name on the post).

Are you nursing your little one?....Anita

danerescue6 <tsthumper1@...> wrote: Breastfeeding isnt always an option,

some women cant do it

physically.

Is there a natural way

to protect my baby from Pertussis? We have a

> lot of cases of Pertussis here and I'm interested what I can do to

> avoid this vaccine but yet protect my baby from this illness

through

> natural ways. Obviously, one good way is to avoid situations where

my

> baby is expsed to others that are sick but what else can I do?

Also,

> does anyone know if there are parents support groups here in

> Massachusetts? Or is anyone here from Massachusetts? Thanks for

any

> help you can offer.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think it happens more often than that. I did have a lactation

consultant and I still wasnt able to produce enough milk for my

twins. I tried fenegreek and it didnt help either. I took all the

lactation consultant's advice and worked my butt off trying to get

enough milk supply for over 3 months before I finally started to dry

up b/c of lack of sleep, stress, etc. I think breastfeeding is great

and I wish that I could have done it, but I think there needs to be

more options given to women to help their babies stay healthy

besides just saying breastfeeding. Some just cant produce enough.

>

> > Breastfeeding isnt always an option, some women cant do it

> > physically.

> >

> #### Interestingly, I believe this only happens in about 5% of

cases. I

> know one personally: a friend of mine had a breast reduction

surgery

> years ago when they didn't really pay attention to milk ducts all

that

> much. She has not been able to breastfeed.

> Local La Leche groups and a lactation consultant are your best

bets

> when it comes to successfully breastfeeding - there is a ton of

help

> and info available.

> Otherwise, as with any disease, keeping your immune system strong

is in

> order. Keep a good diet and take extra probiotics and vitamin C

during

> flu/cold seasons or to simply boost your immune system.

> Magda

>

[Guest guest]

Someone or company with resources and integrity needs to make a more natural,

nutritious, baby friendly formula for all you moms who can't produce. A

community breastmilk bank would be nice, though I'm sure major precautions would

need to be taken to insure pure milk. If there was a way to know, I would have

gladly expressed milk for another local baby that was in need. Maybe there is

something out there, I wouldn't know....Anita

danerescue6 <tsthumper1@...> wrote: I think it happens more often than

that. I did have a lactation

consultant and I still wasnt able to produce enough milk for my

twins. I tried fenegreek and it didnt help either. I took all the

lactation consultant's advice and worked my butt off trying to get

enough milk supply for over 3 months before I finally started to dry

up b/c of lack of sleep, stress, etc. I think breastfeeding is great

and I wish that I could have done it, but I think there needs to be

more options given to women to help their babies stay healthy

besides just saying breastfeeding. Some just cant produce enough.

>

> > Breastfeeding isnt always an option, some women cant do it

> > physically.

> >

> #### Interestingly, I believe this only happens in about 5% of

cases. I

> know one personally: a friend of mine had a breast reduction

surgery

> years ago when they didn't really pay attention to milk ducts all

that

> much. She has not been able to breastfeed.

> Local La Leche groups and a lactation consultant are your best

bets

> when it comes to successfully breastfeeding - there is a ton of

help

> and info available.

> Otherwise, as with any disease, keeping your immune system strong

is in

> order. Keep a good diet and take extra probiotics and vitamin C

during

> flu/cold seasons or to simply boost your immune system.

> Magda

>

[Guest guest]

> Someone or company with resources and integrity needs to make a more

natural, nutritious, baby friendly formula for all you moms who can't

produce.

### Well, someone already thought of that.

Weston Price organization has several recipes on their website:

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html

It includes a classic cow's milk formula, but there is also a recipe

for liver formula for children who don't tolerate dairy well. A friend

I mentioned before who can't breastfeed has been using this formula for

months with great results (I believe she switched to goat milk which is

even more nutritious that a cow's).

It's important to use good quality (preferably organic) pasture-fed

cow's milk, either raw or pasteurized but not homogenized. Each

ingredient in the formula is designed to substitute for ingredients in

breast milk and to facilitate digestion.

Though I have been lucky enough to be able to breastfeed for 2+ years

(we're still going), this would be my second choice.

Magda

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info. I'll save it and share with moms who looking for more than

the average baby formula.........Anita

Magda Velecky <velecky@...> wrote: > Someone or company with

resources and integrity needs to make a more

natural, nutritious, baby friendly formula for all you moms who can't

produce.

### Well, someone already thought of that.

Weston Price organization has several recipes on their website:

http://www.westonaprice.org/children/recipes.html

It includes a classic cow's milk formula, but there is also a recipe

for liver formula for children who don't tolerate dairy well. A friend

I mentioned before who can't breastfeed has been using this formula for

months with great results (I believe she switched to goat milk which is

even more nutritious that a cow's).

It's important to use good quality (preferably organic) pasture-fed

cow's milk, either raw or pasteurized but not homogenized. Each

ingredient in the formula is designed to substitute for ingredients in

breast milk and to facilitate digestion.

Though I have been lucky enough to be able to breastfeed for 2+ years

(we're still going), this would be my second choice.

Magda

[Guest guest]

I was just wondering if anyone knows - if you only nurse one time a

day, does it still provide any sort of protection against something

like pertussis (or just protection against regular things like a

cold?). I was going to wean my daughter completely but will

continue with the 1 time a day if it actually helps against things

like pertussis (because she will be 1 yr old next month and she is

not vaccinated at all).

Is there a natural way

> to protect my baby from Pertussis? We have a

> > lot of cases of Pertussis here and I'm interested what I can do

to

> > avoid this vaccine but yet protect my baby from this illness

> through

> > natural ways. Obviously, one good way is to avoid situations

where

> my

> > baby is expsed to others that are sick but what else can I do?

> Also,

> > does anyone know if there are parents support groups here in

> > Massachusetts? Or is anyone here from Massachusetts? Thanks for

> any

> > help you can offer.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There are milk banks, but I think you have to have a doctor's

prescription to get milk from them. Not sure what you'd have to do to

qualify. -Angie

On Thursday, December 14, 2006, at 07:40 AM, Anita Durney wrote:

> Someone or company with resources and integrity needs to make a more

> natural, nutritious, baby friendly formula for all you moms who can't

> produce. A community breastmilk bank would be nice, though I'm sure

> major precautions would need to be taken to insure pure milk. If there

> was a way to know, I would have gladly expressed milk for another

> local baby that was in need. Maybe there is something out there, I

> wouldn't know....Anita

[Guest guest]

>

> I was just wondering if anyone knows - if you only nurse one time a

> day, does it still provide any sort of protection against something

> like pertussis (or just protection against regular things like a

> cold?). I was going to wean my daughter completely but will

> continue with the 1 time a day if it actually helps against things

> like pertussis (because she will be 1 yr old next month and she is

> not vaccinated at all).

Any amount of breastmilk will help but the more you can give the

better. Weaning is a gradual process and can take many years, the way

nature desingned it. A child's immune system is not fully mature until

the age of about 6 and the longer you breastfeed, the stronger your

child's immune system will be. Some breastfeeding mums feed for years

and see the huge benefits this brings for their child and themselves

in terms of improved health.

Even if you child gets pertusis ( and they can still get it even if

vaccinated, as vaccines don't give immunity - BIG MYTH), if she is

breastfed then she will overcome it much better and quicker. Our

government here in the UK now admit that the pertusis vaccine does not

offer the " protection " they thought it did as so many babies and

children still get, even if fully vaccinated. Vaccines weaken the

immunes system and make you more suscebtible to illness, but

breastmilk strenghhens the immune system and helps a child get well

better and quicker. You have done your child a huge favour by not

vaccinating her and you are still breastfeeding her, which will

benefit her for the rest of her life.

If you need support for feeding a baby that is older, there are many

good groups, especially LLL groups, that will support you and welcome you.

Here is some more info about why long term breastfeeding is sooooo

good for a toddler/child and you:

http://www.kellymom.com/store/freehandouts/extended_bf_factsheet.pdf

There is NOTHING better than breastmilk, anything else is second or

third best. If you look under the microscope you can actually see the

antibodies moving about in the breastmilk, it is literally alive.

Formula is dead and lacks all the thousands of components that keep a

baby healthy.

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

The World Health Organisation recommends breastfeeding until the age of at

least two years, complementary to appropriate solid foods.

Any breastmilk will provide protection in the form of maternal antibodies,

but it is so much more than that. Probably one of the most important

factors is the emotional bonding aspect - babies who breastfeed into

toddler-hood and beyond feel more secure and tend to have a closer

relationship with mum - and this alone will strengthen the immune system and

keep illness at bay. Breastfeeding isn't simply *feeding* - it is far more

holistic than that and has implications on every level.

Sue xx

>

>

> I was just wondering if anyone knows - if you only nurse one time a

> day, does it still provide any sort of protection against something

> like pertussis (or just protection against regular things like a

> cold?). I was going to wean my daughter completely but will

> continue with the 1 time a day if it actually helps against things

> like pertussis (because she will be 1 yr old next month and she is

> not vaccinated at all).

>

[Guest guest]

thanks for the response. I did look up LLC and will be attending a

meeting tomorrow. i had to wean my daughter due to an unexpected

issue (I also posted about the mercury in my fillings issue)but I am

hoping that by some small miracle I can still nurse her for 1-2 times

a day after I get this mercury thing resolved. this group has been a

help to me. Thanks again,

Anne

> >

> > I was just wondering if anyone knows - if you only nurse one time

a

> > day, does it still provide any sort of protection against

something

> > like pertussis (or just protection against regular things like a

> > cold?). I was going to wean my daughter completely but will

> > continue with the 1 time a day if it actually helps against

things

> > like pertussis (because she will be 1 yr old next month and she

is

> > not vaccinated at all).

>

> Any amount of breastmilk will help but the more you can give the

> better. Weaning is a gradual process and can take many years, the

way

> nature desingned it. A child's immune system is not fully mature

until

> the age of about 6 and the longer you breastfeed, the stronger your

> child's immune system will be. Some breastfeeding mums feed for

years

> and see the huge benefits this brings for their child and themselves

> in terms of improved health.

>

> Even if you child gets pertusis ( and they can still get it even if

> vaccinated, as vaccines don't give immunity - BIG MYTH), if she is

> breastfed then she will overcome it much better and quicker. Our

> government here in the UK now admit that the pertusis vaccine does

not

> offer the " protection " they thought it did as so many babies and

> children still get, even if fully vaccinated. Vaccines weaken the

> immunes system and make you more suscebtible to illness, but

> breastmilk strenghhens the immune system and helps a child get well

> better and quicker. You have done your child a huge favour by not

> vaccinating her and you are still breastfeeding her, which will

> benefit her for the rest of her life.

>

> If you need support for feeding a baby that is older, there are many

> good groups, especially LLL groups, that will support you and

welcome you.

> Here is some more info about why long term breastfeeding is sooooo

> good for a toddler/child and you:

> http://www.kellymom.com/store/freehandouts/extended_bf_factsheet.pdf

>

> There is NOTHING better than breastmilk, anything else is second or

> third best. If you look under the microscope you can actually see

the

> antibodies moving about in the breastmilk, it is literally alive.

> Formula is dead and lacks all the thousands of components that keep

a

> baby healthy.

> Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

Also, you mentioned the NICU, so I see that you were pumping. In my

experience, you are just not going to get the same supply with

pumping as you are with direct breastfeeding. This time around I

have a great supply (no pumping). It has to do with the first

couple weeks of breastfeeding and getting those ducts working.

There is a really good book that talks about this called

Breastfeeding Made Simple. Here is the website. This lady talked

at the La Leche Conference this year.

Tara

> >

> > > Breastfeeding isnt always an option, some women cant do it

> > > physically.

> > >

> > #### Interestingly, I believe this only happens in about 5% of

> cases. I

> > know one personally: a friend of mine had a breast reduction

> surgery

> > years ago when they didn't really pay attention to milk ducts

all

> that

> > much. She has not been able to breastfeed.

> > Local La Leche groups and a lactation consultant are your best

> bets

> > when it comes to successfully breastfeeding - there is a ton of

> help

> > and info available.

> > Otherwise, as with any disease, keeping your immune system

strong

> is in

> > order. Keep a good diet and take extra probiotics and vitamin C

> during

> > flu/cold seasons or to simply boost your immune system.

> > Magda

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I forgot the link to the website for the book. It is at

http://www.breastfeedingmadesimple.com/

Tara

>

> Also, you mentioned the NICU, so I see that you were pumping. In my

> experience, you are just not going to get the same supply with

> pumping as you are with direct breastfeeding. This time around I

> have a great supply (no pumping). It has to do with the first

> couple weeks of breastfeeding and getting those ducts working.

> There is a really good book that talks about this called

> Breastfeeding Made Simple. Here is the website. This lady talked

> at the La Leche Conference this year.

>

> Tara