Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 The medical industry is pushing and promoting their products internationally by controlling government officials around the world. In India parents of vaccine damaged children are protesting to deaf ears. In China, they are arresting vaccine protesters, and they're put behind bars. The same thing can happen here. The pharmaceutical industry will not stop, unless we stop them. The first step is to cry out against the millions of dollars in political donations by the medical industry to our elected officials. Bob C Re: Flu Shot in Children This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings (if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people from judging me. Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 ugh, but it is sad that your child had to be autistic for people to stop judging.... I guess a few million people must be harmed for everyone to wake up. From: Anita Durney <mydurney@...> Reply-Vaccinations Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: Flu Shot in Children Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings (if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people from judging me. Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@... <mailto:ingrid_schebesch%40btinternet.com> > wrote: This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Yes, , progress often occurrs in a backwards fashion....Anita " F. " <malica98@...> wrote: ugh, but it is sad that your child had to be autistic for people to stop judging.... I guess a few million people must be harmed for everyone to wake up. From: Anita Durney Reply-Vaccinations Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Vaccinations Subject: Re: Re: Flu Shot in Children Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings (if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people from judging me. Anita ingrid5317 > wrote: This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 I agree. Even with doctors I have found that I have it a bit easier than most with not vaccinating because of my son's epilepsy (which they all know I think vaccines contributed to). Same with other parents. Like, I have an excuse, but it almost makes them feel better about vaccinating their kids because their kids dont' have any problems. BACKWARDS. This is sad. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Yes, , progress often occurrs in a backwards fashion....Anita Recent Activity 4 New Members 2 New Files Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 > The first step is to cry out against the millions of dollars in political donations by the medical industry to our elected officials. > > Bob C I don't think people actually realize how much money govermnents actually get from pharma companies. If they did, they hopefully would ask some questions. But most people are comfortable as long as they are able to live in their safe bubble, away from any protests etc. and just turn a blind eye. It can be rather painful to wake up and learn the truth. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Hi Anita, yes this is sadly true and I don't feel right about doing it. But my son is now 8 and knows about the dangers of vaccines and I have explained to him that at certain times, in certain circumstance it is ok to lie, to protect yourself and at the same time explained real, bad lying to him and made sure he understood the difference; we did this together, my husband and I, that way we felt it was more protection than encouraging him to lie. But yes, sometimes you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and I think you have shared with us how enlightened your son is about matters of health; is that right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of eight he could probably teach most adults a thing or two about vaccine dangers among other things like the benefits of breastfeeding. Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: Hi Anita, yes this is sadly true and I don't feel right about doing it. But my son is now 8 and knows about the dangers of vaccines and I have explained to him that at certain times, in certain circumstance it is ok to lie, to protect yourself and at the same time explained real, bad lying to him and made sure he understood the difference; we did this together, my husband and I, that way we felt it was more protection than encouraging him to lie. But yes, sometimes you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 Thank you very much for your kind words, Anita. It is so helpful for me to have this list to express my views, which can be very strong at times. I feel relatively safe here.My son is indeed very knowledgable about all matters health and healthy living but I try not to drum it inot him too much. I can't talk to many people about this, there are a few, but they are all further away and sometimes you just need to let off steam and this list is such a good source of support. Thank you all! And good night, as it is appraching midnight here. Ingrid > > We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and I think you have shared with us how enlightened your son is about matters of health; is that right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of eight he could probably teach most adults a thing or two about vaccine dangers among other things like the benefits of breastfeeding. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 This group has been very good for me too, Ingrid. I think I've been chatting with many of you for nearly two years now. I have learned so much and even made a few friends. Most of all, it's been a place where I can share my thoughts and not get shot down for it. I first came here looking for another mom of an unvaccinated child with autism for support and to share ideas with. I never did find one, but the support I got here was more than I hoped for as was the amazing amount of information I began to have access to to help me piece together what may have gone wrong in an effort to try and make some kind of sense of it all. I've grown a lot since then and focus more on the " here and now " and what I can do to improve Henry's condition and the general health and well being of my whole family. Sheri Nakken helped my oldest son, Neville, overcome a nervous habbit that was causing him to twist and pull his hair from his head. The homeopathic remedy she prescribed also cleared up a terrible allergy/mucous condition he had most of his life; a surprise plus. Neither problem has returned and he hasn't been on the remedy for quite some time. Before I met Sherri N, Kay, and Sue, I thought I was providing good homeopathic care for my now 5-yr-old son with autism until I learned the difference between " clinical " and " classical " homeopathy. That was life changing. It's been GREAT here and I wouldn't give it up for anything! Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: Thank you very much for your kind words, Anita. It is so helpful for me to have this list to express my views, which can be very strong at times. I feel relatively safe here.My son is indeed very knowledgable about all matters health and healthy living but I try not to drum it inot him too much. I can't talk to many people about this, there are a few, but they are all further away and sometimes you just need to let off steam and this list is such a good source of support. Thank you all! And good night, as it is appraching midnight here. Ingrid > > We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and I think you have shared with us how enlightened your son is about matters of health; is that right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of eight he could probably teach most adults a thing or two about vaccine dangers among other things like the benefits of breastfeeding. > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2006 Report Share Posted October 28, 2006 my daughter will be facing grade 7 hep b shots shortly I have told her that she is not to get one, under any circumstances, and she is ok with that, but she is worried about what she should say to the teacher I've told her to tell them she is not getting it at school...and they can fill in the blank about where she is getting it...I don't want her to outright lie, and she doesn't want to either...yet I don't think they need to know her immuniztion status I will keep her home on the scheduled shot day, however, if they show up on a different day she will need to be prepared I won't sign the waiver, but I've heard of kids being bullied into signing the waiver themselves Kathy in Ontario ----- Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings (if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people from judging me. Anita ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: This is so sad, Kay! My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes, even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference of real lying. He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let myself be dragged into any conversations about it. But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to be careful how I do this. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I am doing Sheri's hom. course at the moment and it is amazing how much I have learned already. I know hom. takes a long time to study properly, but the introduction to it is so beneficial if you use hom. regularly. Great to hear that Sheri helped your son, she is a blessing. All the best and never give up! Love, Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 I don't think people actually realize how much money govermnents actually get from pharma companies. If they did, they hopefully would ask some questions. But most people are comfortable as long as they are able to live in their safe bubble, away from any protests etc. and just turn a blind eye. It can be rather painful to wake up and learn the truth. Ingrid --------I totally agree with you, Ingrid. Most people are either afraid to find out the real truth or too naive to question the authority of doctors. Now, I question everything and stay as far away from doctors as possible. I'm SO glad that my eyes have been opened and I'm doing my best to spread the word! Peace, ~Connie --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of anyone else. I do not think those parents who choose to keep their non-vax stats to themselves are wrong for doing so. Even if the truth was out about vax some people would still be ok with the risk. We need to take care of our children. Some people are ok with screaming out the truths, others are not. I could go on and say " Why would you public school your child at all even " but that is sometimes not an option to some parents, others it is the best option they have. Judgements do not help our situation. Some times our souls need some peace and safety, nothing un-honorable about that I think. From time to time we all need a break from fighting so much. I know some of us have gotten really tierd of fighting the social norms and just want a break. Judgements do not help our situation. To those who scream out, thank you! Sometimes I lose my voice. I am glade you are able to fight these battles. You are you, not everyone is the same. Thank you for trying to protect so many, remember to take care of you too! Blessings, Kimmy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cleven - Educational Consultant, Discovery Toys, Inc Toys, Books, and Games UP TO 60% OFF!! Lifetime Guarantee! Kids learn by play, that simple. Have a party and get them free toys. http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/esuite/home/Kimmy/ Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr Seuss --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2006 Report Share Posted October 30, 2006 If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of anyone else. I do not think those parents who choose to keep their non-vax stats to themselves are wrong for doing so. Even if the truth was out about vax some people would still be ok with the risk. We need to take care of our children. Some people are ok with screaming out the truths, others are not. I could go on and say " Why would you public school your child at all even " but that is sometimes not an option to some parents, others it is the best option they have. Judgements do not help our situation. Some times our souls need some peace and safety, nothing un-honorable about that I think. From time to time we all need a break from fighting so much. I know some of us have gotten really tierd of fighting the social norms and just want a break. Judgements do not help our situation. To those who scream out, thank you! Sometimes I lose my voice. I am glade you are able to fight these battles. You are you, not everyone is the same. Thank you for trying to protect so many, remember to take care of you too! Blessings, Kimmy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cleven - Educational Consultant, Discovery Toys, Inc Toys, Books, and Games UP TO 60% OFF!! Lifetime Guarantee! Kids learn by play, that simple. Have a party and get them free toys. http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/esuite/home/Kimmy/ Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind. - Dr Seuss --------------------------------- Everyone is raving about the all-new . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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