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This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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The medical industry is pushing and promoting their products internationally

by controlling government officials around the world. In India parents of

vaccine damaged children are protesting to deaf ears. In China, they are

arresting vaccine protesters, and they're put behind bars. The same thing can

happen here. The pharmaceutical industry will not stop, unless we stop them.

The first step is to cry out against the millions of dollars in political

donations by the medical industry to our elected officials.

Bob C

Re: Flu Shot in Children

This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and enroll

our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or

irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our

children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings (if

only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and are

often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or another;

just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I should say.

Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people from judging me.

Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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ugh, but it is sad that your child had to be autistic for people to stop

judging.... I guess a few million people must be harmed for everyone to

wake up.

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Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT)

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Subject: Re: Re: Flu Shot in Children

Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and

enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or

irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our

children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings

(if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and

are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or

another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I

should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people

from judging me.

Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...

<mailto:ingrid_schebesch%40btinternet.com> > wrote:

This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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Yes, , progress often occurrs in a backwards fashion....Anita

" F. " <malica98@...> wrote: ugh, but it is sad that your child

had to be autistic for people to stop

judging.... I guess a few million people must be harmed for everyone to

wake up.

From: Anita Durney

Reply-Vaccinations

Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 09:15:24 -0700 (PDT)

Vaccinations

Subject: Re: Re: Flu Shot in Children

Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and

enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or

irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our

children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings

(if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and

are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or

another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I

should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people

from judging me.

Anita

ingrid5317 > wrote:

This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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I agree. Even with doctors I have found that I have it a bit easier than most

with not vaccinating because of my son's epilepsy (which they all know I think

vaccines contributed to). Same with other parents. Like, I have an excuse, but

it almost makes them feel better about vaccinating their kids because their kids

dont' have any problems. BACKWARDS. This is sad.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Yes, , progress often occurrs in a backwards fashion....Anita

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> The first step is to cry out against the millions of dollars in

political donations by the medical industry to our elected officials.

>

> Bob C

I don't think people actually realize how much money govermnents

actually get from pharma companies. If they did, they hopefully would

ask some questions.

But most people are comfortable as long as they are able to live in

their safe bubble, away from any protests etc. and just turn a blind

eye. It can be rather painful to wake up and learn the truth.

Ingrid

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Hi Anita,

yes this is sadly true and I don't feel right about doing it. But my

son is now 8 and knows about the dangers of vaccines and I have

explained to him that at certain times, in certain circumstance it is

ok to lie, to protect yourself and at the same time explained real,

bad lying to him and made sure he understood the difference; we did

this together, my husband and I, that way we felt it was more

protection than encouraging him to lie.

But yes, sometimes you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Ingrid

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We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and I think you

have shared with us how enlightened your son is about matters of health; is that

right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of eight he could probably teach most

adults a thing or two about vaccine dangers among other things like the benefits

of breastfeeding.

Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

Hi Anita,

yes this is sadly true and I don't feel right about doing it. But my

son is now 8 and knows about the dangers of vaccines and I have

explained to him that at certain times, in certain circumstance it is

ok to lie, to protect yourself and at the same time explained real,

bad lying to him and made sure he understood the difference; we did

this together, my husband and I, that way we felt it was more

protection than encouraging him to lie.

But yes, sometimes you are damned if you do, and damned if you don't.

Ingrid

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Thank you very much for your kind words, Anita. It is so helpful for

me to have this list to express my views, which can be very strong at

times. I feel relatively safe here.My son is indeed very knowledgable

about all matters health and healthy living but I try not to drum it

inot him too much.

I can't talk to many people about this, there are a few, but they are

all further away and sometimes you just need to let off steam and this

list is such a good source of support. Thank you all!

And good night, as it is appraching midnight here.

Ingrid

>

> We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and

I think you have shared with us how enlightened your son is about

matters of health; is that right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of

eight he could probably teach most adults a thing or two about vaccine

dangers among other things like the benefits of breastfeeding.

>

> Anita

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This group has been very good for me too, Ingrid. I think I've been chatting

with many of you for nearly two years now. I have learned so much and even made

a few friends. Most of all, it's been a place where I can share my thoughts and

not get shot down for it. I first came here looking for another mom of an

unvaccinated child with autism for support and to share ideas with. I never did

find one, but the support I got here was more than I hoped for as was the

amazing amount of information I began to have access to to help me piece

together what may have gone wrong in an effort to try and make some kind of

sense of it all.

I've grown a lot since then and focus more on the " here and now " and what I

can do to improve Henry's condition and the general health and well being of my

whole family. Sheri Nakken helped my oldest son, Neville, overcome a nervous

habbit that was causing him to twist and pull his hair from his head. The

homeopathic remedy she prescribed also cleared up a terrible allergy/mucous

condition he had most of his life; a surprise plus. Neither problem has returned

and he hasn't been on the remedy for quite some time. Before I met Sherri N,

Kay, and Sue, I thought I was providing good homeopathic care for my now

5-yr-old son with autism until I learned the difference between " clinical " and

" classical " homeopathy. That was life changing. It's been GREAT here and I

wouldn't give it up for anything!

Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

Thank you very much for your kind words, Anita. It is so helpful for

me to have this list to express my views, which can be very strong at

times. I feel relatively safe here.My son is indeed very knowledgable

about all matters health and healthy living but I try not to drum it

inot him too much.

I can't talk to many people about this, there are a few, but they are

all further away and sometimes you just need to let off steam and this

list is such a good source of support. Thank you all!

And good night, as it is appraching midnight here.

Ingrid

>

> We all have to do what is right for us. You are a wonderful mom and

I think you have shared with us how enlightened your son is about

matters of health; is that right? If so, I'll bet at the tender age of

eight he could probably teach most adults a thing or two about vaccine

dangers among other things like the benefits of breastfeeding.

>

> Anita

>

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my daughter will be facing grade 7 hep b shots shortly

I have told her that she is not to get one, under any circumstances, and she

is ok with that, but she is worried about what she should say to the teacher

I've told her to tell them she is not getting it at school...and they can

fill in the blank about where she is getting it...I don't want her to

outright lie, and she doesn't want to either...yet I don't think they need

to know her immuniztion status

I will keep her home on the scheduled shot day, however, if they show up on

a different day she will need to be prepared

I won't sign the waiver, but I've heard of kids being bullied into signing

the waiver themselves

Kathy in Ontario

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Ingrid - It is sad but true that we must tread lightly on the matter and

enroll our children in this false sense of awful feeling of wrongness or

irresponsibility when in certain company like at school. Of course as our

children get older and we are able to explain our decisions, those feelings

(if only seldom) no longer exist. Many times they just don't understand and

are often confused, I think. I have never asked my kids to say one thing or

another; just lucky I guess that it has never come up or become an issue I

should say. Also, being the mother of a child with autism keeps most people

from judging me.

Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

This is so sad, Kay!

My son told me last week that when the school nurse asked the class

about the jabs, they all said yes, and my son just quietly said yes,

even though he knew he was lying. We told him that's ok and just to

keep saying yes, as a white lie, to make him aware of the difference

of real lying.

He was ok with that. I would not want him to be bullied or anything

because of not being vaccinated. Here in the UK it is not compulsory

but they strongyl recommend it. It is a hot subject and you become

labelled very quickly if parents find out that your child is not

vaccinated. So, I have decided to keep my mouth shut and not let

myself be dragged into any conversations about it.

But at times I do like to plant a seed in people's mind but I have to

be careful how I do this.

Ingrid

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I am doing Sheri's hom. course at the moment and it is amazing how

much I have learned already. I know hom. takes a long time to study

properly, but the introduction to it is so beneficial if you use hom.

regularly.

Great to hear that Sheri helped your son, she is a blessing.

All the best and never give up!

Love,

Ingrid

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I don't think people actually realize how much money govermnents

actually get from pharma companies. If they did, they hopefully would

ask some questions.

But most people are comfortable as long as they are able to live in

their safe bubble, away from any protests etc. and just turn a blind

eye. It can be rather painful to wake up and learn the truth.

Ingrid

--------I totally agree with you, Ingrid. Most people are either afraid to

find out the real truth or too naive to question the authority of doctors. Now,

I question everything and stay as far away from doctors as possible. I'm SO

glad that my eyes have been opened and I'm doing my best to spread the word!

Peace,

~Connie

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If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of anyone else. I do

not think those parents who choose to keep their non-vax stats to themselves are

wrong for doing so. Even if the truth was out about vax some people would still

be ok with the risk. We need to take care of our children. Some people are ok

with screaming out the truths, others are not. I could go on and say " Why would

you public school your child at all even " but that is sometimes not an option to

some parents, others it is the best option they have. Judgements do not help our

situation.

Some times our souls need some peace and safety, nothing un-honorable about

that I think. From time to time we all need a break from fighting so much. I

know some of us have gotten really tierd of fighting the social norms and just

want a break. Judgements do not help our situation.

To those who scream out, thank you! Sometimes I lose my voice. I am glade you

are able to fight these battles. You are you, not everyone is the same. Thank

you for trying to protect so many, remember to take care of you too!

Blessings,

Kimmy

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If we can not take care of ourselves, we can not take care of anyone else. I do

not think those parents who choose to keep their non-vax stats to themselves are

wrong for doing so. Even if the truth was out about vax some people would still

be ok with the risk. We need to take care of our children. Some people are ok

with screaming out the truths, others are not. I could go on and say " Why would

you public school your child at all even " but that is sometimes not an option to

some parents, others it is the best option they have. Judgements do not help our

situation.

Some times our souls need some peace and safety, nothing un-honorable about

that I think. From time to time we all need a break from fighting so much. I

know some of us have gotten really tierd of fighting the social norms and just

want a break. Judgements do not help our situation.

To those who scream out, thank you! Sometimes I lose my voice. I am glade you

are able to fight these battles. You are you, not everyone is the same. Thank

you for trying to protect so many, remember to take care of you too!

Blessings,

Kimmy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Cleven - Educational Consultant, Discovery Toys, Inc

Toys, Books, and Games UP TO 60% OFF!! Lifetime Guarantee!

Kids learn by play, that simple. Have a party and get them free toys.

http://www.discoverytoyslink.com/esuite/home/Kimmy/

Be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and

those who matter don't mind. - Dr Seuss

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