Re: Americans doubt need for flu vaccine: survey

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

>> http://today.reuters.com/news/

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

**********

" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

October 5, 2006

At 04:02 PM 10/5/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>That's exactly what's going to happen, Sheri! We live in such a culture

>of fear; I was thinking about this today. I think it's a big

>contributor to our endless quest for " cures " and more vaccines. After

>awhile, the fear has a life of its own and rationality departs. If

>everyone is scared of disease, it drives people to want to want to find

>cures and then to follow " cures " once they are created. -Angie

Exactly

I have been saying that for years and especially since 9/11 - they will do

anything to keep you in fear and confused about everything in the US

I'm from the US but live in the UK nearly 6 years now. It is very

different in many ways here. Some are susceptible to the fear factor here

but so many more don't buy into it.

They have created your fear of disease. My mother's generation did not

have the fear that you women have today. I grew up in the 50's. My mom is

a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds. She is just dumbfounded

about the fear out there now about these diseases that all just took in

stride.

It has been created like that article I sent you all

The Doors Of Perception: Why Americans Will Believe Almost Anything

Sheri

>

>On Thursday, October 5, 2006, at 02:40 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

>> " Fewer than half of Americans plan to get the flu vaccine this year,

>> mostly because they do not worry about flu, according to a survey

>> published

>> on Wednesday. "

>>

>> Ooooh - better crank up the level of fear.

>> Sheri

>>

>> articlenews.aspx?type=healthNews & storyid=2006-

>> 10-05T014723Z_01_N04395681_RTRUKOC_0_US-FLU.xml & src=rss

>>

>> Americans doubt need for flu vaccine: survey

>> Wed Oct 4, 2006 9:48 PM ET

>>>

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October 5, 2006

Let the countdown to fear begin. Hmmm, I wonder how long it will be before

we read in the papers and hear on the news about how horrible this flu

season will be and of people dying from it in such and such state??

Kay

Americans doubt need for flu vaccine: survey

> " Fewer than half of Americans plan to get the flu vaccine this year,

> mostly because they do not worry about flu, according to a survey

> published

> on Wednesday. "

>

> Ooooh - better crank up the level of fear.

> Sheri

>

> 10-05T014723Z_01_N04395681_RTRUKOC_0_US-FLU.xml & src=rss

>

> Americans doubt need for flu vaccine: survey

> Wed Oct 4, 2006 9:48 PM ET

>

October 5, 2006

Re:

They have created your fear of disease. My mother's generation did not

have the fear that you women have today. I grew up in the 50's. My mom

is a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds. She is just

dumbfounded about the fear out there now about these diseases that all

just took in stride.

***** I have wondered about this for a long time. I suspect it has

something to do with working mothers and the instinctive,

free-floating fear that must arise when you are only with your babies

for 3 waking hours per day. But it does start even before then. Books

like " What to expect when you're expecting " and Parent magazines were

terrifying to me as a new mother. I wish I'd known then what I know now.

October 5, 2006

At 12:02 AM 10/6/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>Re:

>They have created your fear of disease. My mother's generation did not

>have the fear that you women have today. I grew up in the 50's. My mom

>is a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds. She is just

>dumbfounded about the fear out there now about these diseases that all

>just took in stride.

>

>***** I have wondered about this for a long time. I suspect it has

>something to do with working mothers and the instinctive,

>free-floating fear that must arise when you are only with your babies

>for 3 waking hours per day. But it does start even before then. Books

>like " What to expect when you're expecting " and Parent magazines were

>terrifying to me as a new mother. I wish I'd known then what I know now.

Many issues

Having families and not being close to parents/grandparents who know better

HUGE INCREASE in fear programming about illness to sell vaccines and drugs

- purposeful

Doctors becoming gods

Working mothers

And increase in reading material such as you mentioned.

But predominantly the programming in my opinion and loss of contact with

those who had been through this before the programming.

Even I didn't grow up with fear about it all. Didn't question vaccines

then, didn't question doctors then, but started to later.

Sheri

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

October 5, 2006

While I agree that mothers and grandmothers can sometimes be a wealth of

experience, knowledge and wisdom, MY mother had me in the 60's when it was

totally uncool to nurse a baby and it was OK to smoke and have a drink or two.

Just this morning we were talking about nursing and she said, " Oh your dad

really didn't WANT me to nurse you all, so I didn't dare. " Groan.

With that said, I don't trust my mom or her generation very much for

healthcare. For me she represents the " doctors are Gods " generation and that

doesn't jive too well with me (although I do still think way too allopathically

for my own good at times).

Sheri B.

Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

But predominantly the programming in my opinion and loss of contact with

those who had been through this before the programming.

Sheri

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October 5, 2006

Let's not forget, too, that we naturally fear what we do not know, and

the vaccinated diseases have become so rare that we no longer know them,

thus we fear them. Am I afraid of my children getting them? Yes.

Why? Because I have never seen them for myself. I have heard about

them, but never actually seen a case. That is one reason I laugh at the

varicella vaccine. I have lived through it, three of my kids have lived

through it. So it was inconvenient. Big deal. (Of course, tell that

to a 6-month-old who has it all in her diaper!) But it was a familiar

disease. Rubella and pertussis just sound kind of scary to me. Now

that I know about vaccines, I am more scared of them. And I am a little

afraid for my fully vaccinated children who may still catch the diseases

and suffer much more from them. I wonder if maybe educating the

populace about the reality of the diseases so they are not so scary

would open more people up to the possibility of the danger of vaccines.

I believe Sheri teaches just such a course, and I plan to take it very soon.

Judy

October 5, 2006

Just comments, people, no vaccine-related info:

I see the fear factor in many, many aspects of American life. I don't,

as you know, think it's due to a small cadre of people wanting to

" program " us, but I do think once the wheels of fear are in motion,

everybody gets caught up in it. I read an article saying that, during

some time period (the 1990s, I think), news coverage of violent crime

went UP even though the number of violent crimes was actually going

DOWN. I know that Americans' fear of crime has skyrocketed. There are

all kinds of things we were allowed to do as kids that no parent these

days would do for fear of child " predators " or the accusation of

negligence. I am always amazed when I drive by the elementary school

and see all the cars waiting to pick up the kids. Man, when I was in

school, we WALKED home. But today, people are too scared of everything

to allow that.

Safety is a big issue, too. Again, with kids: helmets while bike

riding, car seats for every conceivable age. And look at what

germaphobes we've become: all the antibacterial soap and so forth. And

silly things like disposable mop heads so you don't have to deal with a

nasty, nasty mop head, heaven forbid.

I think a big reason for it is that Americans have so much, and the

more you have, the more you fear losing it. We've also had so many

scientific breakthroughs that I think we've become convinced that maybe

we can find a cure for death. Nobody " gets " cancer, they " battle " it,

so if you die, well, then, you " lost " your battle. Very uncool in

America to die, like to be fat (which, of course, we are). These are

not my ideas, either.

I have heard that the fear thing is more an American phenomenon. I've

also heard a lot of blame placed on the news, which tends to be

sensationalistic because there are so many competing networks and

because people's standards have slid. It's true that news briefs tend

to be like this, " A new secret killer that could be lurking just

outside your door, tonight at 11. " When I watch newscasts from other

countries, they don't have this sensationalistic edge and are,

consequently, a lot more boring, but usually also a lot meatier.

I have also heard that the fear culture is worse in women's culture,

such as women's magazines. As someone who subscribes to Readers' Digest

(don't laugh), I can say that's true also for mainstream publications

and especially for aging people in regard to medicines and medical

treatment. Part of it, no doubt, is drug companies wanting to get

business by making their drug sound necessary (banning drug company ads

to the public would be a good way to curtail this). I mean, who had

ever worried about Restless Leg Syndrome or other things before they

saw the commercial?LOL. I think, too, that part of the " safety " culture

is driven by fear of lawsuits. It would go something like this: a

company makes a child's toy. Some kid misuses it and gets injured, and

sues them for an ungodly amount of money. So the next toy they put out,

they think, people are so stupid and will use this wrong unless we tell

them exactly how and how not to use it, and we'd better do that, or

else we could get sued. So the next thing you know, there are warnings

all over the place on this toy: never leave child alone with this toy!

Always use supervision! Not to be used near water. Dangerous if blah

blah blah, etc. So you, as a parent, reading this, get scared.

As a parent, I've had to navigate the fear factory. Many, many " never

do this! " rules are really aimed at parents with no common sense, but

advice is given out as a blanket rule because nobody trusts people to

use their common sense anymore. I am always trying to figure out

whether a warning is REAL or just overblown because of the stupid

people out there.

Sorry this was so long. -Angie

On Thursday, October 5, 2006, at 08:23 PM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 12:02 AM 10/6/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> >Re:

> >They have created your fear of disease. My mother's generation did not

> >have the fear that you women have today. I grew up in the 50's. My mom

> >is a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds. She is just

> >dumbfounded about the fear out there now about these diseases that all

> >just took in stride.

> >

> >***** I have wondered about this for a long time. I suspect it has

> >something to do with working mothers and the instinctive,

> >free-floating fear that must arise when you are only with your babies

> >for 3 waking hours per day. But it does start even before then. Books

> >like " What to expect when you're expecting " and Parent magazines were

> >terrifying to me as a new mother. I wish I'd known then what I know

> now.

>

> Many issues

> Having families and not being close to parents/grandparents who know

> better

> HUGE INCREASE in fear programming about illness to sell vaccines and

> drugs

> - purposeful

> Doctors becoming gods

> Working mothers

> And increase in reading material such as you mentioned.

>

> But predominantly the programming in my opinion and loss of contact

> with

> those who had been through this before the programming.

>

> Even I didn't grow up with fear about it all. Didn't question vaccines

> then, didn't question doctors then, but started to later.

> Sheri

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

**********

" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

October 5, 2006

Rubella is actually supposed to be rather mild and not horrible to get.

The vaccination is to prevent pregnant women from being exposed to

rubella, which could cause birth defects in the fetus. -Angie

On Thursday, October 5, 2006, at 09:22 PM, Judy wrote:

> Let's not forget, too, that we naturally fear what we do not know, and

> the vaccinated diseases have become so rare that we no longer know

> them,

> thus we fear them. Am I afraid of my children getting them? Yes.

> Why? Because I have never seen them for myself. I have heard about

> them, but never actually seen a case. That is one reason I laugh at the

> varicella vaccine. I have lived through it, three of my kids have lived

> through it. So it was inconvenient. Big deal. (Of course, tell that

> to a 6-month-old who has it all in her diaper!) But it was a familiar

> disease. Rubella and pertussis just sound kind of scary to me. Now

> that I know about vaccines, I am more scared of them. And I am a little

> afraid for my fully vaccinated children who may still catch the

> diseases

> and suffer much more from them. I wonder if maybe educating the

> populace about the reality of the diseases so they are not so scary

> would open more people up to the possibility of the danger of vaccines.

> I believe Sheri teaches just such a course, and I plan to take it very

> soon.

>

> Judy

>

**********

" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

October 5, 2006

That's funny that you mention the fear factor, because

on my way home this evening, I was just think about

how much I have become a germaphobe! It's like an OCD.

I can't stop washing my hands, yet I logically

understand that if you have a healthy immune system,

you can fight off alot of stuff. I just can't help it,

I LOVE to wash my hands.

So you would think that I would vaccinate my 5 month

old in fear of disease, but haven't and don't plan on

it. But I don't let him play around other sick

children, and am constantly thinking about what things

look like under a microscope. I wonder if my fixation

with germs is a result of having an infant and feeling

overprotective, or what.

It's driving me insane!

And yes I have also heard about the news in other

countries being less dramatic. I don't even watch the

news here, its too stiff and depressing!

Tell me mamas! Remind me about white blood cells!

Remind me how resilient and amazing our bodies are,

because sometimes I forget!

--- Totten <afaltotten@...> wrote:

> Just comments, people, no vaccine-related info:

>

> I see the fear factor in many, many aspects of

> American life. I don't,

> as you know, think it's due to a small cadre of

> people wanting to

> " program " us, but I do think once the wheels of fear

> are in motion,

> everybody gets caught up in it. I read an article

> saying that, during

> some time period (the 1990s, I think), news coverage

> of violent crime

> went UP even though the number of violent crimes was

> actually going

> DOWN. I know that Americans' fear of crime has

> skyrocketed. There are

> all kinds of things we were allowed to do as kids

> that no parent these

> days would do for fear of child " predators " or the

> accusation of

> negligence. I am always amazed when I drive by the

> elementary school

> and see all the cars waiting to pick up the kids.

> Man, when I was in

> school, we WALKED home. But today, people are too

> scared of everything

> to allow that.

>

> Safety is a big issue, too. Again, with kids:

> helmets while bike

> riding, car seats for every conceivable age. And

> look at what

> germaphobes we've become: all the antibacterial soap

> and so forth. And

> silly things like disposable mop heads so you don't

> have to deal with a

> nasty, nasty mop head, heaven forbid.

>

> I think a big reason for it is that Americans have

> so much, and the

> more you have, the more you fear losing it. We've

> also had so many

> scientific breakthroughs that I think we've become

> convinced that maybe

> we can find a cure for death. Nobody " gets " cancer,

> they " battle " it,

> so if you die, well, then, you " lost " your battle.

> Very uncool in

> America to die, like to be fat (which, of course, we

> are). These are

> not my ideas, either.

>

> I have heard that the fear thing is more an American

> phenomenon. I've

> also heard a lot of blame placed on the news, which

> tends to be

> sensationalistic because there are so many competing

> networks and

> because people's standards have slid. It's true that

> news briefs tend

> to be like this, " A new secret killer that could be

> lurking just

> outside your door, tonight at 11. " When I watch

> newscasts from other

> countries, they don't have this sensationalistic

> edge and are,

> consequently, a lot more boring, but usually also a

> lot meatier.

>

> I have also heard that the fear culture is worse in

> women's culture,

> such as women's magazines. As someone who subscribes

> to Readers' Digest

> (don't laugh), I can say that's true also for

> mainstream publications

> and especially for aging people in regard to

> medicines and medical

> treatment. Part of it, no doubt, is drug companies

> wanting to get

> business by making their drug sound necessary

> (banning drug company ads

> to the public would be a good way to curtail this).

> I mean, who had

> ever worried about Restless Leg Syndrome or other

> things before they

> saw the commercial?LOL. I think, too, that part of

> the " safety " culture

> is driven by fear of lawsuits. It would go something

> like this: a

> company makes a child's toy. Some kid misuses it and

> gets injured, and

> sues them for an ungodly amount of money. So the

> next toy they put out,

> they think, people are so stupid and will use this

> wrong unless we tell

> them exactly how and how not to use it, and we'd

> better do that, or

> else we could get sued. So the next thing you know,

> there are warnings

> all over the place on this toy: never leave child

> alone with this toy!

> Always use supervision! Not to be used near water.

> Dangerous if blah

> blah blah, etc. So you, as a parent, reading this,

> get scared.

>

> As a parent, I've had to navigate the fear factory.

> Many, many " never

> do this! " rules are really aimed at parents with no

> common sense, but

> advice is given out as a blanket rule because nobody

> trusts people to

> use their common sense anymore. I am always trying

> to figure out

> whether a warning is REAL or just overblown because

> of the stupid

> people out there.

>

> Sorry this was so long. -Angie

>

> On Thursday, October 5, 2006, at 08:23 PM, Sheri

> Nakken wrote:

>

> > At 12:02 AM 10/6/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> > >Re:

> > >They have created your fear of disease. My

> mother's generation did not

> > >have the fear that you women have today. I grew

> up in the 50's. My mom

> > >is a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds.

> She is just

> > >dumbfounded about the fear out there now about

> these diseases that all

> > >just took in stride.

> > >

> > >***** I have wondered about this for a long time.

> I suspect it has

> > >something to do with working mothers and the

> instinctive,

> > >free-floating fear that must arise when you are

> only with your babies

> > >for 3 waking hours per day. But it does start

> even before then. Books

> > >like " What to expect when you're expecting " and

> Parent magazines were

> > >terrifying to me as a new mother. I wish I'd

> known then what I know

> > now.

> >

> > Many issues

> > Having families and not being close to

> parents/grandparents who know

> > better

> > HUGE INCREASE in fear programming about illness to

> sell vaccines and

> > drugs

> > - purposeful

> > Doctors becoming gods

> > Working mothers

> > And increase in reading material such as you

> mentioned.

> >

> > But predominantly the programming in my opinion

> and loss of contact

> > with

> > those who had been through this before the

> programming.

> >

> > Even I didn't grow up with fear about it all.

> Didn't question vaccines

> > then, didn't question doctors then, but started to

> later.

> > Sheri

> >

>

--------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada

> City CA & Wales UK

> > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by

> Paypal account

> > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US

> 530-740-0561

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> > Vaccines -

> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> > Homeopathy On-Line course -

> >

> **********

> " At that point, I had the right to remain silent...

> but I didn't have

> the ability. " -Ron White

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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__________________________________________________

October 6, 2006

At 16:02 2006-10-05 -0400, you ( Totten <afaltotten@...>)

wrote:

>That's exactly what's going to happen, Sheri! We live in such a culture

>of fear; I was thinking about this today. I think it's a big

>contributor to our endless quest for " cures " and more vaccines. After

>awhile, the fear has a life of its own and rationality departs. If

>everyone is scared of disease, it drives people to want to want to find

>cures and then to follow " cures " once they are created. -Angie

>

>On this, homeopathy - about which I only know what is its

" general approach " - clearly is better than " traditional medicine " ,

which creates, and needs, that fear.

And even better, as far as I understand, is the German New Medicine,

whose theory is: The " diseases " are really Meaningful Special Biological

Programmes, and thus should not be feared. That theory puts the

person " afflicted " , the " patient " , in charge, with the doctor only as

an advisor. It among other things contains that knowledge that

bacteria and viruses *don't* cause diseases. Very important, I hold.

Also helps to combat that fear.

Rolf M.

October 6, 2006

At 05:49 PM 10/5/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>While I agree that mothers and grandmothers can sometimes be a wealth of

experience, knowledge and wisdom, MY mother had me in the 60's when it was

totally uncool to nurse a baby and it was OK to smoke and have a drink or

two. Just this morning we were talking about nursing and she said, " Oh

your dad really didn't WANT me to nurse you all, so I didn't dare. " Groan.

>

> With that said, I don't trust my mom or her generation very much for

healthcare. For me she represents the " doctors are Gods " generation and

that doesn't jive too well with me (although I do still think way too

allopathically for my own good at times).

>

> Sheri B.

>

Good point - was talking more about the generation born in the 20's and

30's before all this crap

>Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> >

>But predominantly the programming in my opinion and loss of contact with

>those who had been through this before the programming.

>

>Sheri

>>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

October 6, 2006

At 09:22 PM 10/5/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Let's not forget, too, that we naturally fear what we do not know, and

>the vaccinated diseases have become so rare that we no longer know them,

>thus we fear them. Am I afraid of my children getting them? Yes.

>Why? Because I have never seen them for myself. I have heard about

>them, but never actually seen a case. That is one reason I laugh at the

>varicella vaccine. I have lived through it, three of my kids have lived

>through it. So it was inconvenient. Big deal. (Of course, tell that

>to a 6-month-old who has it all in her diaper!) But it was a familiar

>disease. Rubella and pertussis just sound kind of scary to me. Now

>that I know about vaccines, I am more scared of them. And I am a little

>afraid for my fully vaccinated children who may still catch the diseases

>and suffer much more from them. I wonder if maybe educating the

>populace about the reality of the diseases so they are not so scary

>would open more people up to the possibility of the danger of vaccines.

>I believe Sheri teaches just such a course, and I plan to take it very soon.

YOu are exactly right and that is exactly why I teach the class

Sheri

>>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

October 6, 2006

At 12:04 AM 10/6/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Rubella is actually supposed to be rather mild and not horrible to get.

>The vaccination is to prevent pregnant women from being exposed to

>rubella, which could cause birth defects in the fetus. -Angie

>

It is also VERY rare, and not a given, that exposure to rubella while

pregnant will cause birth defects.

yes, it does happen, but I suspect there are other issues making that woman

more susceptible, but we will never know that.

Sheri>

--------------------------------------------------------

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October 6, 2006

very good points

Sheri

At 12:02 AM 10/6/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Just comments, people, no vaccine-related info:

>

>I see the fear factor in many, many aspects of American life. I don't,

>as you know, think it's due to a small cadre of people wanting to

> " program " us, but I do think once the wheels of fear are in motion,

>everybody gets caught up in it. I read an article saying that, during

>some time period (the 1990s, I think), news coverage of violent crime

>went UP even though the number of violent crimes was actually going

>DOWN. I know that Americans' fear of crime has skyrocketed. There are

>all kinds of things we were allowed to do as kids that no parent these

>days would do for fear of child " predators " or the accusation of

>negligence. I am always amazed when I drive by the elementary school

>and see all the cars waiting to pick up the kids. Man, when I was in

>school, we WALKED home. But today, people are too scared of everything

>to allow that.

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October 6, 2006

I agree, although I am just realizing all this.

I watched " Bowling for Columbine " the other day (I do not like

mainly because I never know what he has cut and pasted

into his movies to make his point), but, it was on TV for free, so I

thought, why not. Anyway, I was getting a little confused at what

he was getting at, but what I got out of what I saw was that people

in other countries like Canada or not as fearful as us Americans (if

the people that he interviewed represent Canada?). He interviewed

some people and they were saying that they were not scared that they

would have someone break into their house, whereas, Americans are

scared and lock themselves into their homes for protection. They

were even saying how alot of the population have guns but they don't

have the gun violence that we have. It seemed that all this was

stemming from our media driving our fears. Whether it be print

media, news media, billboards, whatever, it all is directed at our

fear. He couldn't connect it to anything else, like our movies,

guns themselves, poor areas, or anything else because these

conditions exist elsewhere but do not have the same problems as

Americans.

So I definetly feel fear is a big factor, but also because of

origial fear, many things have just become the norm like vaxing,

like taking the flu shot. I asked my husband if he was going to get

the flu shot, he said yes, like he had not even thought otherwise.

I told him that I recommended that he not get it. He didn't get it

last year but has previous years. I asked him if he got sick last

year, he thought about it and said no. I said that if he absolutley

felt that he had to get the flu vaccine, then he should absolutely

not get the nasal flu shot. We will see what happens.

Tara

> > >Re:

> > >They have created your fear of disease. My mother's generation

did not

> > >have the fear that you women have today. I grew up in the 50's.

My mom

> > >is a nurse and graduated in 1948 and worked peds. She is just

> > >dumbfounded about the fear out there now about these diseases

that all

> > >just took in stride.

> > >

> > >***** I have wondered about this for a long time. I suspect it

has

> > >something to do with working mothers and the instinctive,

> > >free-floating fear that must arise when you are only with your

babies

> > >for 3 waking hours per day. But it does start even before then.

Books

> > >like " What to expect when you're expecting " and Parent

magazines were

> > >terrifying to me as a new mother. I wish I'd known then what I

know

> > now.

> >

> > Many issues

> > Having families and not being close to parents/grandparents who

know

> > better

> > HUGE INCREASE in fear programming about illness to sell vaccines

and

> > drugs

> > - purposeful

> > Doctors becoming gods

> > Working mothers

> > And increase in reading material such as you mentioned.

> >

> > But predominantly the programming in my opinion and loss of

contact

> > with

> > those who had been through this before the programming.

> >

> > Even I didn't grow up with fear about it all. Didn't question

vaccines

> > then, didn't question doctors then, but started to later.

> > Sheri

> >

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> " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't

have

> the ability. " -Ron White

>

October 6, 2006

Thanks, I have since learned this, but when I had my first child at age

20, I didn't even know what DPT and MMR stood for. I did know about

chicken pox, and since I was familiar with it, I declined it back then.

It wasn't mandatory then, either, and she had just gotten over a very

mild bout at 11 months old. She later got it a normal case of it later

when she was 6, which didn't totally surprise me since I was told that

her case might not have been severe enough to create immunity, and I was

still nursing her then. But even at 20, with familiarity, I realized

that the chicken pox vaccine was just dumb. Of course, if they had

called it varicella then, I probably would have gotten it out of ignorance.

Judy

Totten wrote:

> Rubella is actually supposed to be rather mild and not horrible to get.

> The vaccination is to prevent pregnant women from being exposed to

> rubella, which could cause birth defects in the fetus. -Angie

>

October 6, 2006

Anita,

What does your family do for preventitive measures?

Diet, supplements, etc.? I always knew that

acidophilus was a wonderful thing, but recently I've

heard how much it can fight off infections.

Is it also true that a child who is unvaccinated is

usually healther? Does anyone have any info to back

this up?

--- Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

> Hi c a,

>

> I'm not a germaphobe, but I USED to worry about

> being around people who were not well. I would take

> a pass on play dates if the child had a cold or

> cancel a babysitting job for similar reasons etc. I

> used to wear rubber gloves to change the diaper of a

> baby I knew was just vaccinated. When I first joined

> this group, we used to discuss " viral " shedding and

> how one could never know how long a child would be a

> vector of the diseases they were innoculated with.

> We seem to have moved past this as a group as we

> learn more about why people get sick and the purpose

> of the so-called sickness. Most times the body is

> " cleaning house " and nothing more and doesn't even

> require assistance except maybe to move it along if

> it should get stuck. This is one way homeopathy can

> be helpful.

>

> I always agreed with the " Natural Hygiene "

> philosophy intellectually, but remained cautious

> just in case. I knew I shouldn't be as concerned

> about outside invaders as I should be about the

> inside " terrain " of my family's bodies. For the most

> part, I now practice what I've always felt was true

> and guess what? I don't want to jinx my family (not

> superstitious anyway), but we just don't get sick.

> So far, every time we've been in the company of

> unwell kids or adults, we don't end up with what

> they have. Losing the fear is half the battle and

> maintaning a strong and healthy immune system is the

> other half. Fear has always been a tough one for me,

> but the more I let go of it, the stronger I become

> in all ways possible.

>

> Anita

>

> c a <calsones@...> wrote:

> That's funny that you mention the fear factor,

> because

> on my way home this evening, I was just think about

> how much I have become a germaphobe! It's like an

> OCD.

> I can't stop washing my hands, yet I logically

> understand that if you have a healthy immune system,

> you can fight off alot of stuff. I just can't help

> it,

> I LOVE to wash my hands.

> So you would think that I would vaccinate my 5 month

> old in fear of disease, but haven't and don't plan

> on

> it. But I don't let him play around other sick

> children, and am constantly thinking about what

> things

> look like under a microscope. I wonder if my

> fixation

> with germs is a result of having an infant and

> feeling

> overprotective, or what.

> It's driving me insane!

> And yes I have also heard about the news in other

> countries being less dramatic. I don't even watch

> the

> news here, its too stiff and depressing!

> Tell me mamas! Remind me about white blood cells!

> Remind me how resilient and amazing our bodies are,

> because sometimes I forget!

>

> ---------------------------------

> Do you ?

> Everyone is raving about the all-new .

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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October 6, 2006

> I said that if he absolutley

>felt that he had to get the flu vaccine, then he should absolutely

>not get the nasal flu shot. We will see what happens.

>

>Tara

>

That one is NOT a good choice either

http://www.redflagsdaily.com/conferences/vaccines/2003_dec08

If you believe viruses cause illness this could be devastating to have such

a thing circulating

And even if you don't believe viruses cause illness, we have no idea what

is in here and what it can do.

Maybe viruses don't exist, maybe they do

Maybe they are doing a job repairing DNA in their natural state

What about in their unatural state

Don't fool with mother nature

Sheri

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