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Interview with Stefan Lanka 27.10.2005 on " bird flu " and some related subjects

Translation by RM of an article in German in the online newspaper FAKTuell,

at http://www.faktuell.de/Hintergrund/Background367.shtml. (See also a note

below, after the translation.)

22.02.2006

No panic - The truth about bird flu, H5N1, vaccinations and AIDS

Ray * Comment and interview 27.10.2005

Nobody who observes the doctoring-around concerning symptoms, as it is

being practiced just now in the course of the ongoing coalition

negotiations, can take the declarations of the politicians and their

menials seriously any more. Or do you believe perhaps that with continued

Hartz IV and ALG II cutdowns, even a single new workplace will be created?

Or that the big employment wave will necessarily arrive, if we cut down

corporation taxation, and raise the sick relief fund charges and the

value-added-tax, as well as cutting-down or abolishing the work commuter

contributions and night shift wage additions?

All this, in spite of the daily workplace cutdowns and factory closures...

If you are swallowing all this without gainsay, then you should blithely do

this also with the next piece of vaccination candy, and delete this page

from your Internet favourites, in favour of those with some capitals in

their headings and subtitles.

If you realize the fact however that you are permanently being held for a

fool or regularly f-cked (sorry!), then you should take the time to listen

to an independent scientist who has not let himself be bought:

The virologist Dr. rer. nat. Stefan Lanka.

He has given some answers to the FAKTuell editors - with no " back-door "

evasions. Here is the interview:

Bird flu and H5N1, vaccinations and AIDS.

Dr Lanka, are we in Germany threatened by the bird flu?

Only indirectly.

Next year there will be much fewer babies in Germany.

According to the media, the storks will all be snatched away by the bird

flu. To this we should now accomodate our minds.

Do you mean that seriously?

Just as seriously as there being any danger for us from the purported bird

flu virus H5N1. The danger or the disaster lies somewhere else entirely.

Where, in your opinion, does the danger or the disaster lie?

We have allowed ourselves to lose the habit of using our reason.

That is the actual danger or the disaster. The politicians and the media

are taking it upon themselves to delude us into believing everything, for

instance, delude us into believing that migratory birds in Asia have been

infected with an extremely dangerous, deadly virus.

These mortally diseased birds then keep flying for weeks on end. They fly

thousands of kilometres, and then in Rumania, in Turkey, Greece and

elsewhere infect hens, geese or other poultry, with which they have had no

contact, and which within a very short time get diseased and die.

But the migratory birds do not get diseased and do not die, but keep on

flying, for weeks on end, thousands of kilometres. Anyone who believes this

will believe too that babies are brought by the stork. In fact the larger

part of people in Germany do believe in a danger from bird flu, don't they.

Is there, then, no bird flu at all?

Since the late 19th centrury, diseases of poultry in mass animal farming

have been observed: Bluecolouring of the crest, decrease in egglaying

performance, sagging of the feathers, and sometimes these animals die too.

These diseases were called bird pest.

In present-day mass poultry farming, in particular when hens are being

raised in cages, many animals die each day as a result of species-alien

animal farming. Later, these consequences of the mass animal farming were

no longer called bird pest, but bird flu. Since decades back, we are

experiencing that a transferable virus is being maintained as the cause of

this, in order to deflect from the actual causes.

Then those 100 million hens which appear to have died from bird flu in

reality have died from stress or and/or from nourishment deficiency and

poisoning?

No! If one hen lies fewer eggs or gets a blue crest and that hen is tested

H5N1-positive too, then all the other hens are gassed. That is how there

got to be those 100 million apparently H5N1-killed hens.

If you look at this more closely, then you see behind it a

several-decades-long strategy: In the West, the big enterprises are

cleaning themselves up with this, because those animals which have died

" from the contagious disease " are being compensated for at the expense of

the general public, at the highest market price, while in Asia and

everywhere where poultry are being farmed successfully, the poultry market

there is being destroyed maliciously and on purpose under the leadership of

the UN organization FAO.

All big Western polutry farming enterprises, therefore, are keeping their

mouths shut and by means of their veterinaries are seeing to it that, if

the market price for poultry sinks, they get an infectious disease

diagnosed, so that they can get their animals sold at a higher price than

would be possible with normal farming, " taken care of " at the

governmentally guaranteed maximum price, and all the animals in one single

batch too.

To bring it to the common denominator: It's modern subvention scamming

combined with paralysing scaremongering, which as a secondary effect

guarantees that nobody asks for proof.

Of what did those 61 persons die who were demonstrated to have H5N1?

There is only very little in the way of publicly available reports,

describing what were the symptoms and how these persons were then treated.

These cases clearly point in one direction: Persons with symptoms of a

cold, who then had the bad luck to fall into the hands of H5N1 hunters,

were killed with enormous amounts of chemotherapy supposed to restrain the

phantom virus. Isolated in plastic tents, surrounded by madmen in space

suits, they died, in panicky fear, from multiple organ failures.

Does this bird flu virus then not exist at all?

In humans, in the blood or in other bodily fluids, in an animal or in a

plant there never have been seen or demonstrated structures which you could

characterize as bird flu viruses or flu viruses or any other supposedly

disease-causing virus. The causes of those diseases which are being

maintained to be caused by a virus, also those in animals, which can arise

quickly and in individuals either one after the other or several at the

same time, are known since a long time back.

Even more: For viruses as the causing agents of diseases there in biology,

however much you strech things, is simply no place.

Only if I ignore the findings of Dr Hamer's New Medicine, according to

which shock events are the cause of many diseases, the findings of

chemistry about the effects of poisonings and deficiencies and if I ignore

the findings of physics about the effects of radiation, then there is a

place for imaginings such as disease-causing viruses.

Why then are disease-causing viruses still being maintained to exist?

The school medicine protagonists/practitioners need the paralysing,

stupid-making and destructive fear of diseasecausing phantom viruses as a

central basis for their existence:

Firstly, in order to harm many people with vaccinations, in order to build

up for themselves a clientele of chronically ill and ailing objects who

will put up with anything being done to them.

Secondly, in order not to have to admit that they are failing totally in

their treatment of chronical illnesses and have killed and are killing more

people than all wars so far have made possible. Every school medicine

practitioner is conscious of this, but only very few dare to speak about

it. Therefore it's no wonder either that among professional groups, it is

that of the school medicine practitioners that has the highest suicide

rate, far surpassing other professional groups.

Thirdly, the school medicine practitioners need the paralysing and

stupid-making fear of diabolical viruses, in order to conceal their

historical origin as an oppression and killing instrument of the Vatican's

when it was struggling to rise in the world, having developed out of the

usurping West Roman army.

School medicine has been and is the most important pillar of support of all

dictatorships and governments which do not want to submit to written law,

to constitutions, to human rights, that is, to the democratically

legitimized social contract. This explains too why school medicine really

can and is allowed to do anything that pleases it, and in this is subjected

to no control whatsoever. If we do not overcome this, we will all perish by

this school medicine.

Are you not exaggerating a little here?

Unfortunately, no! Anyone who opens his eyes will see this in that way.

Ivan Illich warned about this already in 1975 in his analysis " Die

Enteignung der Gesundheit " ( " The Expropriation of Health " ). Still today

this book exists, under the title: Die Nemesis der Medizin (The Nemesis of

Medicine).

Goethe described the state of scool medicine very much to the point in

Faust I and has the physician Dr Faustus admit:

" Hier war die Arznei, die Patienten starben und niemand fragte, wer

genas, so haben wir mit höllischen Latwergen, in diesen Tälern, diesen

Bergen weit schlimmer als die Pest getobt, ich selbst habe das Gift an

Tausende gegeben, sie welkten hin, ich muss erleben, dass man die frechen

Mörder lobt. "

( " Here was the medicine, the patients died and nobody asked who

recovered, thus we have ravaged with infernal electuaries, in these

valleys, these mountains, much worse than the pest, I myself have given the

poison to thousands, they withered away, I must experience that the

unabashed murderers are being praised. " )

Goethe calls school medicine practitioners who are giving people the

electuaries, that is, the poisonous substances, unabashed murderers, who

still today are being praised.

Here I can and also must refer to our publications, because we have, as the

first to do so, put the central revealing question to modern medicine and

have documented and commented on the resulting confessions.

At www.klein-klein-aktion.de and www.klein-klein-verlag.de you will find

all the relevant information on this.

Why have precisely you hit on this millenium swindle?

I have studied molecular biology.

In the course of my studies I demonstrated the existence of the first virus

in the sea, in a sea alga. This proof was first published in a scientific

publication in 1990, in accordance with the standard of the natural

sciences. The virus whose existence I demonstrated reproduces itself in the

alga, can leave it and reproduce itself again in other algae of this kind,

without having any negative effects, and this virus stands in no connection

whatsoever with any disease.

For instance in one litre of sea water, there are over 100 million viruses

of various kinds very different from each other. Fortunately, the health

authorities and the doctors have not become aware of this, otherwise there

since long would have been a law permitting sea bathing only for persons

attired in total body condoms.

Biological structures which would do anything negative however have never

been seen. The basis of biological life is togetherness, is symbiosis, and

in this there is no place for war and destruction. War and destruction in

biological life is something purported by sick and criminal brains.

In the course of my studies, I and others have not been able to find proof

of the existence of diseasecausing viruses anywhere. Later we have

discoursed on this publicly and have called on people not to believe us

either but to check out themselves whether or not there are diseasecausing

viruses.

Out of this there arose the klein-klein action, which since 5 years back

has been asking the health authorities for proof and which finally has

gotten admission of and certainty of the fact that there is no proof of

dieseasecausing viruses and no proof of a benefit of vaccination. In order

to enable us to make these results publicly known without falsification of

them, we founded the klein-klein-verlag (publishing house) three years ago.

What viruses are there at all, then, and what are they doing?

Structures which you can characterize as viruses there are in many species

of bacteria and in simple life forms, similar to the bacteria. They are

elements of together-living of different cells in a common cell type which

have remained independent. This is called a symbiosis, an endosymbiosis,

which has arisen in the course of the process of different cell types' and

structures' combining, an endosymbiosis which has brought forth the present

cell type, that type of cells of which humans, animals and plants consist.

As are the bacteria in all our cells, which are breathing away our oxygen,

the mitochondria, or the bacteria in all plants which are producing the

oxygen, the chloroplasts, the viruses are component parts of cells.

Very important: Viruses are component parts of very simple organisms, for

instance of the confervacea type of algae, a particular species of a

one-celled chlorella alga and of very many bacteria. As existing there,

these viral component parts are called phages. In complex organisms

however, in particular in humans, or in animals or plants, such structures

which you might call viruses have never been seen.

In contrast to the bacteria in our cells, the mitochondria, or the bacteria

in every plant, the chloroplasts, which cannot leave the common cell, since

they are dependent on the metabolism of the common cell, viruses can leave

the cell, since they are not carrying out any survival-vital tasks within

the cell.

Viruses, thus, are component parts of the cell which have turned their

entire metabolism over to the common cell and therefore can leave the cell.

Outside the common cell, they are helping other cells, in that they are

transferring construction and energy substances. Any other function of

theirs has never been observed.

Those actual viruses which have been scientifically demonstrated to exist

are performing, in the very complex processes of interactions of different

cells, a helping, a supporting and in no case a destructive function.

Also in the case of diseases, actually neither in the diseased organism nor

in a bodily fluid has any structure which you could characterize as a virus

ever been seen or isolated. The proposition that there is any sick-making

virus whatsoever is a transparent swindle, a fatal lie with dramatic

consequences.

With this, you are not maintaining that the dangerous AIDS virus too is

only a virtual one, are you?

Not only I am maintaining that the so-called AIDS virus " HIV " has never

been scientifically demonstrated to exist, but only is being maintained to

exist because of a purported consensus. The Bundesgesundheitsministerin,

the Minister for Public Health in Germany, Ulla Schmidt, wrote on

05.01.2004 to the Member of Parliament (Bundestagsabgeordneten) Rudolf Kraus:

" Of course the Human Immunodeficiency Virus is considered - in

international scientific consensus - to be scientifically demonstrated to

exist. "

Today, after citizens in the course of many years time and again have asked

the health authorities here in Germany for scientific proof of the

existence of the purported sick-making viruses, the health authorities are

no longer maintaining that any virus whatsoever purportedly causing a

disease has been directly proven to exist.

In an ongoing process of petitioning to the Bundestag (German parliament),

the Ministry of Public Health passed the bucket of responsibility on such

matters on to the Ministry of Research. The Ministry of Research now is

taking up the absurd standpoint that the constitutionally guaranteed

freedom of science prohibits the state from checking on that which science

maintains.

But that is absurd. That would mean that the state is surrendering us,

helpless and protectionless, into the hands of an uncontrolled science

which can do and cause to be done anything it wants. Are you really of the

opinion that the state is exposing us in such a way?

I do not have an opinion here. Concerning these matters, I can only see and

point to the facts. We are experiencing in the present bird flu panic that

the state, contrary to its knowledge, in Germany is surrendering the

population into the hands of some persons or other who are camouflaging

themselves as scientists. An enforced chemotherapy is being planned, and

next spring the entire German population is to be forcibly vaccinated twice

against the purported bird flu phantom.

But neither has ever a bird flu virus been demonstrated to exist, nor has

the existence of any virus whatsoever that would have anything to do with

anybody's falling ill been demonstrated. Such viruses do not exist.

Precisely in the same manner as the minister admitted, concerning the

purported AIDS virus, they are being maintained to be proven and therefore

to exist because of an international scientific consensus.

But the bird flu virus H5N1, dangerous to humans, was quite recently very

precisely demonstrated, in an English laboratory, to exist!

If ever a virus coming from a concrete body or a bodily fluid, for instance

from birds, has been proven to exist, then any average scientist can check

out, in any average laboratory, within a day, whether this virus is present

in for instance a dead animal. This however has never occurred, and on the

contrary, indirect test methods which are telling absolutely nothing are

being used.

For instance, it's being maintained that there are antibodies which would

combine with the body of the purported virus and only with that, and that

then by there having occurred a combination between body and antibody, the

existence of the purported virus has been demonstrated.

In reality, those purported antibodies are soluble blood proteins, which

play a central role in the tightmaking of cells which are growing and

dividing and in the healing of wounds.

These blood proteins, also called globulins, in a test-tube containing

corresponding concentrations of acids and bases, minerals and solvents,

will combine arbitrarily with other proteins. Thus you can make any sample

taken from an animal or a person test arbitrarily positive or negative.

It's complete, and this must be quite clearly said too, criminal, wilfulness.

Also if it is maintained that, by means of a biochemical multiplication

technique called polymerase chain reaction (PCR), the so-called gene

substance of the virus can be multiplied and thus be proven to exist, this

is a swindle, since firstly, there nowhere exists a gene substance of a

diseasecausing virus, to which one might compare the artificially

multiplied particles of gene substance, and secondly, only such parts of

gene substances get multiplied which already existed in beforehand in those

fluids which are being used for indirectly demonstrating the existence of

the purported virus.

And it's quite simple:

A thousand pieces of indirect proof, corn circles for instance, do not make

an UFO either. You don't even have to know English, so as to read those

publications to which the virus swindlers are referring, in order to see

for yourself that nowhere in them does a virus appear: If you ask those

scientists for proof of the existence of the purported viruses, for

instance that of H5N1, you will get only evasions in return and never a

concrete answer.

On TV we have heard time and again that the investigations were carried out

in an English laboratory. The name of that English laboratory the public

has not gotten to know. It's the reference laboratory of the EU for bird

flu, in Weybridge. I have asked the scientists several times for the pieces

of proof of the existence of the H5N1 virus. They have replied to me only

once, and after that never again, and wrote that they did not understand my

question.

To the World Health Organization and in particular to the bird flu pandemic

co-ordinator, the German Klaus Stöhr, I also have written several times and

asked for proof of the existence of the bird flu virus. Neither the WHO nor

Klaus Stöhr has reacted to this.

But what does this H5N1, which makes the whole world tremble, mean?

The " H " in H5N1 stands for haemagglutinin, the " N " stands for neuraminidase.

The pseudovirologists are maintaining that in the protective coat of

influenza viruses, there are proteins of the type haemagglutinin and

proteins of the type of the enzyme neuraminidase.

As haemagglutinin, in biochemistry the most diverse substances are being

referred to, not only proteins, which are causing the red blood-corpuscles

to lump together with each other.

The pseudovirologists have jointly agreed that in the protective coat of

influenza viruses there supposedly are 15 different kinds of proteins

having the property of a haemagglutinin. The " 5 " here stands for Type Five

of a purported protein, whose existence, again, is also only being

demonstrated indirectly.

Now in order to prove the existence of an influenza virus, in the

laboratory red blood-corpuscles are mixed with samples in which there

supposedly is the purported virus. If the red blood-corpuscles lump

together, then it is maintained that a haemagglutinin in an influenza virus

must be the cause of this, without there ever having been isolated a virus

from - not to speak of, there ever having been seen a virus in - such a

sample or from/in such a mixture.

From the way in which the lumping together occurs the pseudovirologists

then conclude, precisely in the manner of the seers in the cartoon Asterix

and Obelix, which type of haemagglutinin, supposedly, has been found. For

this, these scientists have available a multitude of test procedures, which

by their construction ascertain that precisely that type of haemagglutinin

which the " testing " scientist already has assumed in advance would be

present becomes indicated too.

Precisely the same is the case with the enzyme neuraminidase, which is

maintained to be a component part of the protecting coat of influenza

viruses. Here, 9 different types are being maintained by the

pseudovirologists to exist. In reality the neuraminidase is an enzyme which

by the separating off of parts of an aminosugar called neuramin acid

regulates that surface tension which is decisive for the functioning of the

respective metabolism. Analogously to the " viral " haemagglutinin there is a

multitude of corrupt test procedures which " demonstrate " that result, that

is, " the existence of " precisely that type of neuraminidase, which the

" seeing " virologist already had assumed in advance.

Therefore it is also no wonder that that turkey cock, belonging to the 73

years old farmer Dimitris Kominaris of the East Aegean island of Inousses,

which ostensibly died of H5N1, has vanished without a trace, that at the

reference laboratory in question demonstrably no sample from Greece has

arrived either, and that the clairvoyant media however have reported that a

first sample has confirmed the suspicion.

For demonstrating the existence of H5N1, really no sample is necessary

either, since, as is the case with all purported contagious diseases, it is

a question of a planned action, intended for political reasons to induce fear.

In the media, photos of bird flu viruses and influenxa viruses constantly

are being shown. Some of these photos show round formations. Are those not

viruses?

No! Firstly, those round formations which supposedly are influenza viruses

are, as every molecular-biologist can see, artificially produced

particles consisting of fats and proteins. The layman can check on this by

asking for a scientific publication in which these pictures are reproduced

and described and the composition of the formations shown is documented.

Such a publication does not exist.

Secondly, those pictures which supposedly show bird flu viruses in reality

show, as every biologist can make out without any doubt about it, quite

normal component parts of cells, or even show complete cells which happen

to be in the process of exporting or importing cell and metabolism

component parts. Again, the layman can check on this very precisely, by

asking for those publications on which those photos are based and from

which they originate: He will never receive such publications. The

scaremongerers' craftguild is loth to expose its trade basis, the swindles

with laboratory and animal experiments.

If you ask the picture agencies or a news agency such as the dpa from where

they are getting these photos of theirs, then they will refer you to the

American contagious-disease authority the CDC of the Pentagon. From this

CDC it is that the only photo of the purported H5N1 originates too.

This photo shows the length section cut and also the cross section cut of

tubes in cells which have been caused to die in a test-tube. These small

tubes in the professional language are called microtubuli, and serve the

transport and communication in the cell and in the process of cell division.

It has been demonstrated however that H5N1 kills hen embryos and can be

cultivated in eggs. Where is the rat to be smelled in this?

These experiments have been used already since over 100 years back, in

order to " prove " the existence of several " viruses " quite different from

each other, for instance also that of the purported smallpox virus. In

these experiments, extracts are being injected through the eggshell into

the embryo. Depending on how much is injected and where in the embryo the

supposedly " virus-infected " extract is injected, the embryo dies faster or

more slowly. It would die from such injections in precisely the same manner

too if the extracts were sterlilized in advance.

This killing then is presented by those virologists, firstly, as direct

proof of the existence of the respective virus, secondly as proof of the

possibility of multiplying the virus, and thirdly and simultaneously as

proof of the isolation of the virus.

From hen embryos killed in this way, millions of which are dying silently

each year at the vaccine manufacturers', various vaccine substances are

being produced.

Besides hen embryos, also cells are being killed in test-tubes in order to

present the dying of these cells as proof of the existence, the multiplying

and the isolation of a diseasecausing virus.

Nowhere however is a virus being isolated in this manner, photographed in

an electron microscope and its component parts described in processes of

the type called electrophoresis.

But then what does kill the animals in the animal experiments, if it is not

the H5N1?

Concerning this too you only have to take a look at the publications in

which these animal experiments are described. Hens are being slowly

suffocated to death within three days by means of administering a fluid to

them through the windpipe tube.

In small Java monkeys, 30 days before the purported infection temperature

transmitters are being placed in the abdomen, 5 days before the purported

infection they are fixated in an air sub-pressure chamber and at the point

of the so-called infection, an amount of liquid corresponding to 6 schnaps

glasses for humans is pressed through the tube in the windpipe of these

young animals. Parts of the same extract from dying, that is putrifying,

cells are sprayed into both eyes and into the tonsils of the animals. In

many cases, suffocation attacks are caused in the animals by means of

rinsing the bronchial tubes, etc. The resulting damage and destruction is

then presented as the result of H5N1.

I have informed the earlier Minister for Consumer Protection, Künast, and

the present minister, Trittin, who are presenting themselves as protectors

of animals, about this, via their personal reporters. There was no reaction.

But the virus of the Spanish flu has been reconstructed genetically and

also has been demonstrated to be a bird flu virus!

What, so to speak, was reconstructed genetically is nothing else than a

model of the genetic substance of an influenza virus. An influenza virus

has never been isolated. A genetic substance of an influenza virus has

never been isolated either. All that has been done is multiplying gene

substance by means of the biochemical multiplication method " poliymerase

chain reaction " . With this method it also is possible to multiply

arbitrarily new, never earlier existing, short pieces of gene substance.

Thus it's possible with this technique also to manipulate the genetic

fingerprint, that is, to test someone as identical to or different from a

sample that has been " found " . Only if very much of gene substance that can

be compared is found will the genetic fingerprint, provided the process is

carried out properly, provide a certain probability of a match.

Dr Jeffery Taubenberger, from whom the allegation of a reconstruction of

the 1918 pandemic virus originates, works for the US-American army and has

worked for more than 10 years on producing, on the basis of samples from

different human corpses, short pieces of gene substance by means of the

biochemical multiplication technique PCR. Out of the multitude of produced

pieces he has selected those which came closest to the model of the genetic

substance of the idea of an influenza virus, and has published these.

In no corpse however was a virus seen or isolated or was a piece of gene

substance from a such isolated. By means of the PCR technique there were

produced out of nothing pieces of gene substance whose earlier existence in

the corpse could not be demonstrated.

If viruses had been present, then these could have been isolated, and out

of them their gene substance could have been isolated too; there would have

been no necessity for anyone to produce laboriously, by means of PCR

technique - with clearly a swindle intention - a patchwork quilt of a model

of the genetic substance of the idea of an influenza virus.

How can a layman check on this?

About these short pieces of gene substance, which in the sense of genetics

are not complete and which do not even suffice for defining a gene, it is

being maintained that they together would make up the entire gene substance

of an influenza virus.

In order to see through this swindle one only has to be able to add up the

published length pieces, in order to ascertain that the sum of the lengths

of the individual pieces, which supposedly makes up the entire viral gene

substance of the purported influenza virus, does not make up the length of

the idea of the genome of the influenza virus model.

Even simpler it is to ask in what publication you can find the electron

microscope photo of this supposedly reconstructed virus. There is no such

publication.

It's being maintained that these experiments have demonstrated that this

reconstructed virus from 1918 would kill very effectively. What might be

untrue in this?

If I inject into a hen embryo a mixture of artificially-produced pieces of

gene substance and proteins and aim at the centre of its heart, then it

dies faster than if I only inject the mixture into the embryo peripherically.

If I expose cells in a test-tube to a quantity of artificially-produced

gene substance and proteins, then they die faster than under the standard

conditions for cells' dying in a test-tube, something which " normally " is

being presented as proof of the existence, as proof of the isolation and as

proof of the multiplication of the purported virus.

Based on this artificially produced gene substance, which is presented as

viral, models of proteins are being made with computers. Procceding from

these protein models, the appearance of the entire virus is reconstructed

with computers.

That is all, but the whole world believes that you can reconstruct viruses

in laboratories. Thus it's no wonder either that, referring to statements

by the CIA and by the British secret service MI6, it is being maintained

that in North Korea, the communist regime would now be producing flu

viruses even more deadly than H5N1.

What conclusions do you draw from this?

Since the head of the supposed al-Qaida, Bin Laden, has not been found,

al-Qaida in Arabic only means The Road and nothing had been heard of this

organization before the hotcleaning-up of the collapse-endangered

skyscrapers in New York, since, just as the supposed smallpox viruses have

not been found, there were not found any mass destruction weapons of

Saddam's, which were the reason for the second Iraq war, and now once more

some deadly viruses are being maintained to exist, it should be obvious who

in reality are the terrorists and who in reality are the suicide bombers:

All who are participating in the virus panic and are contributing to it!

In the pandemic plans a possible breakdown of the provisioning and of

public order, in connection with the declaring of a bird flu pandemic, has

been envisaged by the WHO. The estimates of up to 100 million deaths should

be taken seriously.

As being under threat I see all inhabitants of homes for the aged, who in a

breaking-out of chaos and a breakdown of the provisioning systems, and with

those the public order, will be the first, and besides small children the

most protectionless and defenceless, victims. Hardly possble to depict

would it be, if the contagious-disease makers would declare the emergency

already during the winter.

Does then the substance Tamiflu, which is now being purchased with tax

money and stocked, protect people from the bird flu?

That this substance protects against a flu nobody is maintaining.

Tamiflu is supposed to function as a neuraminidase-restraining agent. It

restrains in an organism the function of the sugar neuraminidase acid,

which is co-responsible for the surface tension in the cells.

Those side effects which are noted on the instruction slips accompanying

packages of Tamiflu are almost identical to the symptoms of a serious

influenza. On a large scale, thus, medicines are now being stored which

cause precisely the same symptoms as those which appear in an actual

so-called influenza - and which will discontinue, with a doctor, after

seven days, and without a doctor after a week.

If Tamiflu is administered to sick persons, then this is likely to cause

far more serious symptoms than those of a serious influenza. If a pandemic

is stated to exist, then many people will take this medicine at the same

time. In that case we will actually have unequivocal symptoms of a Tamiflu

epidemic. Then also deaths caused by Tamiflu are to be expected, and this

will then be presented as evidence of the dangerous nature of the bird flu

and evidence of how anxious is the state that people should be in good health.

In this, the well-tested AIDS pattern is being repeated. In Spain it's

noted on the instruction slips accompanying packages of AIDS medicine that

it is not known whether the symptoms are caused by the medicine or by the

virus.

Then you will also not recommend any general vaccination or the specially

developed vaccination against the bird flu?

I am not recommending any madness.

Every vaccination substance contains poisonous substances which have

effects during a long time resulting in smaller or larger permanent injury.

The infection protection law requires, as necessary precondition for a

vaccination's being justified, the " is " , the fact of there existing

something which causes a disease, for instance a virus.

Since none of the so-called diseasecausing viruses can be, nor should be,

maintained to exist, there can also be no lawful vaccinations against

influenza, and none against bird flu either.

Every vaccination which has occurred in Germany after the infection

protection law became operative on 01.01.2000 is a crime of serious bodily

assault. Of course I am not recommending people to surrender themselves to

become victims of lawbreakings and crimes.

What in your opinion lies behind all this which we are now experiencing here?

About this one can only speculate.

Of course the pharmaceutial industry is happy about the big business with

the bird flu panic. But in fact every individual lies behind this madness.

The situation is what it is. The situation could only come to this because

we as citizens have tolerated that our state acts in this way against

people, although our state is formally a democratic state built on law.

Anyone who waits for the pharmaceutical industry to do something for the

good of people concerning this will wait in vain. " Wer sich jetzt nicht

wehrt, der lebt verkehrt " - " You don't now put up a defence? Your life

won't have the right sense. "

Anyone can ask the Ministry for Consumer Protection, the Ministry for

Public Health etc for that scientific proof which would justify the bird

flu panic.

Anyone who waits for " the others " to do something should not wonder if

those others do nothing and the situation does not remain what it is but

even gets much worse. In the final instance we, the citizens, stand behind

this, in that we for years without doing anything about it have seen the

whole madness around us and have tolerated it. Here we must begin to take

social responsibility, if we do not want to surrender and sacrifice

ourselves to the total domination and chaos of an uncontrolled pseudoscience.

Must then in your opinion science be combated?

The domination of the pseudoscience must be overcome by means of a social

science which is characterized by its obligation to truthfulness and by the

possibility to check on it and to control its actions.

The language of the present university medical science reveals that in it,

a democratically-lawfully uncontrolled domination stands in the foreground,

when the school medicine practitioners and the state are referring, as

justification for their actions, to the " dominating opinion in medical

science " to which we supposedly have to submit also if this domination

maintains that the babies are brought by the stork or that the earth is a

flat disk.

We have however no reason to complain.

We it is, is it not, who are tolerating this governmental line of conduct.

Anyway nobody should wonder, if he continues to tolerate that we must

surrender ourselves to this domination, as we are doing now faced with the

absurdity of the bird flu allegations, if then he wakes up one morning and

with horror finds that he is dead: Killed by that domination which he as

citizen of a democratic state built on law has tolerated.

In a democratic state built on law, the bird flu panic would be just as

impossible as would AIDS and vaccinations. We the citizens must bring about

the state built on law. Then not only AIDS but also the pseudoscience and

the bird flu will have no chance. I can only say: Don't give the bird flu a

chance! Don't believe the lies you are being told! Check things out! Use

your reason!

For those who want to do something: At www.agenda-leben.de there are

suggestions.

[The German original: © 2005 FAKTuell ®]

Note: I'm bringing this translation in its present form as made by me,

despite the fact that my knowledge both of biology and of medicine is very

slight and neither English nor German is a mother tongue of mine, because I

hold this interview to be important. Hoping that I've made no big errors in

the above, I shall submit it to checking-out by some others who, I believe,

will find all such if there are some anyway. All readers of this too are

very welcome to send me their criticisms. If it turns out that major

corrections and/or improvements are needed, I shall incorporate them here

at my homepage in a version or in versions later, which will then be dated

too. Here's my e-mail address again. - RM, 22.02.2006

Note: I've now corrected this translation in two ways: 1) As translation of

the German word " Eiweiß " , I've replaced " albumin " with " protein "

throughout, since this is the actual meaning of that word - albumins are

only a particular kind of proteins. 2) Some spelling errors and in one case

an omission (factually not very important) of a couple of words in the

original have been corrected. - RM, 20.08.2006

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

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