Re: Population Control - was Conspiracy Theory or Not??? - Cancer Vaccine

[Guest guest]

The population bomb is a myth. The book was written

in the early 1960s and not one of its dire predictions

have come true. I think we need more good people in

this world. There are too many evil, greedy people.

--- Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 01:16 PM 10/7/2006 -0400, you wrote:

> >Who wants the population to plummet and why would

> that be bad? Too many

> >humans on the planet right now. -Angie

> >

> >On Friday, October 6, 2006, at 07:15 PM, April H.

> wrote:

> >

> >> It seems possible although not likely that this

> new cancer vaccine

> >> being put on female teens and female adults is

> too much like another

> >> case in India or Africa that sterilized women.

> > Vaccinations/

>

>

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/clo/clo_01kissingerreport.html

>

> GOOGLE on +kissinger+population+control

> >

>

>

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

> Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide

>

> SNIPPET

>

>

> Food as a weapon

>

> There were several measures that Kissinger advocated

> to deal with this

> alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and

> related

> population-reduction programs. He also warned that

> " population growth rates

> are likely to increase appreciably before they begin

> to decline, " even if

> such measures were adopted.

>

> A second measure was curtailing food supplies to

> targetted states, in part

> to force compliance with birth control policies:

> " There is also some

> established precedent for taking account of family

> planning performance in

> appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [u.S.

> Agency for International

> Development] and consultative groups. Since

> population growth is a major

> determinant of increases in food demand, allocation

> of scarce PL 480

> resources should take account of what steps a

> country is taking in

> population control as well as food production. In

> these sensitive

> relations, however, it is important in style as well

> as substance to avoid

> the appearance of coercion. "

>

> " Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be

> considering these

> possibilities now, " the document continued, adding,

> " Would food be

> considered an instrument of national power? ... Is

> the U.S. prepared to

> accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't

> control their

> population growth? "

>

> Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that

> could make exclusive

> reliance on birth control programs unnecessary.

> " Rapid population growth

> and lagging food production in developing countries,

> together with the

> sharp deterioration in the global food situation in

> 1972 and 1973, have

> raised serious concerns about the ability of the

> world to feed itself

> adequately over the next quarter of century and

> beyond, " he reported.

>

>

>

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> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada

> City CA & Wales UK

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>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>

Food control genocide? I think what the snippet is saying is that

Kissinger wanted to encourage countries to control their population by

using food donations as incentive -- you can argue that that's evil

because it's food, but using donations/trade as leverage to get people

to do what you want is used all the time by everyone... our gov't with

other countries (trade embargoes, etc.), and by groups and gov't and

companies in our own country, too.

> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

> Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide

>

> SNIPPET

>

> Food as a weapon

>

> There were several measures that Kissinger advocated to deal with this

> alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and related

> population-reduction programs. He also warned that " population growth

> rates

> are likely to increase appreciably before they begin to decline, " even

> if

> such measures were adopted.

>

> A second measure was curtailing food supplies to targetted states, in

> part

> to force compliance with birth control policies: " There is also some

> established precedent for taking account of family planning

> performance in

> appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [u.S. Agency for

> International

> Development] and consultative groups. Since population growth is a

> major

> determinant of increases in food demand, allocation of scarce PL 480

> resources should take account of what steps a country is taking in

> population control as well as food production. In these sensitive

> relations, however, it is important in style as well as substance to

> avoid

> the appearance of coercion. "

>

> " Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be considering these

> possibilities now, " the document continued, adding, " Would food be

> considered an instrument of national power? ... Is the U.S. prepared to

> accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't control their

> population growth? "

>

> Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that could make exclusive

> reliance on birth control programs unnecessary. " Rapid population

> growth

> and lagging food production in developing countries, together with the

> sharp deterioration in the global food situation in 1972 and 1973, have

> raised serious concerns about the ability of the world to feed itself

> adequately over the next quarter of century and beyond, " he reported.

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

>

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" At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have

the ability. " -Ron White

[Guest guest]

I don't know about this book nor do I care. It only makes sense that if

you have more kids than 2 (one to replace you when you die), population

will increase. Population also increases when more people survive

illnesses. Increase of human population has decimated the environment

in parts of the globe and pushed some species to extinction. World

population has skyrocketed in recent years -- there are now more people

on the planet than the total number of people who ever lived in the

past combined. This cannot be good for the planet.

Good people are not born, but made. The more people you have, the more

evil you can have as well. And problems of overpopulation, such as

poverty, only increase the chances that evil will flourish. One of the

reasons the international sex trade flourishes is because impoverished

parents are willing to get rid of a child they can't feed or support.

-Angie

On Saturday, October 7, 2006, at 01:59 PM, maureen gradvohl wrote:

> The population bomb is a myth. The book was written

> in the early 1960s and not one of its dire predictions

> have come true. I think we need more good people in

> this world. There are too many evil, greedy people.

[Guest guest]

I would suggest that more evil is flourishing in the wealthy and powerful

leaders of the world and corporations

That is where I see sociopathy (evil)

I don't think that increase of human population is the largest problem with

the globe and extinction.

It is exploitation by the first world of the third world.

What I see among the impoverished is not evil, but desperation.

that's how I see it

Sheri

At 03:15 PM 10/7/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>I don't know about this book nor do I care. It only makes sense that if

>you have more kids than 2 (one to replace you when you die), population

>will increase. Population also increases when more people survive

>illnesses. Increase of human population has decimated the environment

>in parts of the globe and pushed some species to extinction. World

>population has skyrocketed in recent years -- there are now more people

>on the planet than the total number of people who ever lived in the

>past combined. This cannot be good for the planet.

>

>Good people are not born, but made. The more people you have, the more

>evil you can have as well. And problems of overpopulation, such as

>poverty, only increase the chances that evil will flourish. One of the

>reasons the international sex trade flourishes is because impoverished

>parents are willing to get rid of a child they can't feed or support.

>-Angie

>

>

>On Saturday, October 7, 2006, at 01:59 PM, maureen gradvohl wrote:

>

>> The population bomb is a myth. The book was written

>> in the early 1960s and not one of its dire predictions

>> have come true. I think we need more good people in

>> this world. There are too many evil, greedy people.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I would suggest that more evil is flourishing in the wealthy and

> powerful

> leaders of the world and corporations

> That is where I see sociopathy (evil)

Definitely!

>

> I don't think that increase of human population is the largest problem

> with

> the globe and extinction.

> It is exploitation by the first world of the third world.

Do you mean by using up its resources? Large portions of tiger

territory are being eaten up in Asia for wood being used by the local

populace only. People in third world are not more innately virtuous

than us in the first world, just have less power. Exploitation of third

world by first world is indeed terrible, but overpopulation is a big

problem too.

>

> What I see among the impoverished is not evil, but desperation.

Definitely have more sympathy for the poor and those who do things out

of desperation. Doesn't mean the end result isn't evil, though. All

humans have capacity for both good and evil, regardless of whether they

are rich or poor. Temptations for rich are just different. Evil by rich

people often is more subtle and less easy to detect, that is one reason

the rich and powerful get off easier.

[Guest guest]

Ever hear of the eugenistics movement? Ever hear of

Malthus? That is where it started. The book,

the Population Bomb, by Ehrlich, predicted that

hundreds of millions of people would die in the 1970s

and 1980s.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb

, why would you not want to even read the book?

I read everything I can, which is why I am on this

discussion board. Not everyone has two children,

which is why, even with people having smaller

families, the native population in Europe is dropping.

--- Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

> At 01:16 PM 10/7/2006 -0400, you wrote:

> >Who wants the population to plummet and why would

> that be bad? Too many

> >humans on the planet right now. -Angie

> >

> >On Friday, October 6, 2006, at 07:15 PM, April H.

> wrote:

> >

> >> It seems possible although not likely that this

> new cancer vaccine

> >> being put on female teens and female adults is

> too much like another

> >> case in India or Africa that sterilized women.

> > Vaccinations/

>

>

http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/clo/clo_01kissingerreport.html

>

> GOOGLE on +kissinger+population+control

> >

>

>

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

> Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide

>

> SNIPPET

>

>

> Food as a weapon

>

> There were several measures that Kissinger advocated

> to deal with this

> alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and

> related

> population-reduction programs. He also warned that

> " population growth rates

> are likely to increase appreciably before they begin

> to decline, " even if

> such measures were adopted.

>

> A second measure was curtailing food supplies to

> targetted states, in part

> to force compliance with birth control policies:

> " There is also some

> established precedent for taking account of family

> planning performance in

> appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [u.S.

> Agency for International

> Development] and consultative groups. Since

> population growth is a major

> determinant of increases in food demand, allocation

> of scarce PL 480

> resources should take account of what steps a

> country is taking in

> population control as well as food production. In

> these sensitive

> relations, however, it is important in style as well

> as substance to avoid

> the appearance of coercion. "

>

> " Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be

> considering these

> possibilities now, " the document continued, adding,

> " Would food be

> considered an instrument of national power? ... Is

> the U.S. prepared to

> accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't

> control their

> population growth? "

>

> Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that

> could make exclusive

> reliance on birth control programs unnecessary.

> " Rapid population growth

> and lagging food production in developing countries,

> together with the

> sharp deterioration in the global food situation in

> 1972 and 1973, have

> raised serious concerns about the ability of the

> world to feed itself

> adequately over the next quarter of century and

> beyond, " he reported.

>

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada

> City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by

> Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US

> 530-740-0561

> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

>

>

Maureen R. Gradvohl

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

At 20:37 2006-10-07 +0100, you (Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...>) wrote:

>I would suggest that more evil is flourishing in the wealthy and powerful

>leaders of the world and corporations

>That is where I see sociopathy (evil)

>

>I don't think that increase of human population is the largest problem with

>the globe and extinction.

>It is exploitation by the first world of the third world.

>

>What I see among the impoverished is not evil, but desperation.

>that's how I see it

>Sheri

That's absolutely correct, I hold too.

It's some very fanatical adversaries of practically everybody

on earth who are saying that population increase is bad.

The natural resources are plentiful, and many more can live

on earth, and live well, than the 6+ billion of today. The

exploitation must cease - which of course requires enormous

social change.

On natural resources, I recommend a website (whose editor

doesn't agree with me at all on politics, but his facts are sound):

McCarthy: The Sustainabilty of Human Progress:

http://www.formal.stanford.edu/jmc/progress/

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

I try to stay away from crackpot theories.

On Saturday, October 7, 2006, at 08:42 PM, maureen gradvohl wrote:

> Ever hear of the eugenistics movement? Ever hear of

> Malthus? That is where it started. The book,

> the Population Bomb, by Ehrlich, predicted that

> hundreds of millions of people would die in the 1970s

> and 1980s.

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb

>

> , why would you not want to even read the book?

> I read everything I can, which is why I am on this

> discussion board. Not everyone has two children,

> which is why, even with people having smaller

> families, the native population in Europe is dropping.

>

> --- Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote:

>

> > At 01:16 PM 10/7/2006 -0400, you wrote:

> > >Who wants the population to plummet and why would

> > that be bad? Too many

> > >humans on the planet right now. -Angie

> > >

> > >On Friday, October 6, 2006, at 07:15 PM, April H.

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >> It seems possible although not likely that this

> > new cancer vaccine

> > >> being put on female teens and female adults is

> > too much like another

> > >> case in India or Africa that sterilized women.

> > > Vaccinations/

> >

> >

> http://www.lifeissues.net/writers/clo/clo_01kissingerreport.html

> >

> > GOOGLE on +kissinger+population+control

> > >

> >

> >

> http://www.schillerinstitute.org/food_for_peace/kiss_nssm_jb_1995.html

> > Kissinger's 1974 Plan for Food Control Genocide

> >

> > SNIPPET

> >

> >

> > Food as a weapon

> >

> > There were several measures that Kissinger advocated

> > to deal with this

> > alleged threat, most prominently, birth control and

> > related

> > population-reduction programs. He also warned that

> > " population growth rates

> > are likely to increase appreciably before they begin

> > to decline, " even if

> > such measures were adopted.

> >

> > A second measure was curtailing food supplies to

> > targetted states, in part

> > to force compliance with birth control policies:

> > " There is also some

> > established precedent for taking account of family

> > planning performance in

> > appraisal of assistance requirements by AID [u.S.

> > Agency for International

> > Development] and consultative groups. Since

> > population growth is a major

> > determinant of increases in food demand, allocation

> > of scarce PL 480

> > resources should take account of what steps a

> > country is taking in

> > population control as well as food production. In

> > these sensitive

> > relations, however, it is important in style as well

> > as substance to avoid

> > the appearance of coercion. "

> >

> > " Mandatory programs may be needed and we should be

> > considering these

> > possibilities now, " the document continued, adding,

> > " Would food be

> > considered an instrument of national power? ... Is

> > the U.S. prepared to

> > accept food rationing to help people who can't/won't

> > control their

> > population growth? "

> >

> > Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that

> > could make exclusive

> > reliance on birth control programs unnecessary.

> > " Rapid population growth

> > and lagging food production in developing countries,

> > together with the

> > sharp deterioration in the global food situation in

> > 1972 and 1973, have

> > raised serious concerns about the ability of the

> > world to feed itself

> > adequately over the next quarter of century and

> > beyond, " he reported.

> >

> >

> >

> --------------------------------------------------------

> > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada

> > City CA & Wales UK

> > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by

> > Paypal account

> > earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US

> > 530-740-0561

> > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> > Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> > Homeopathy On-Line course -

> > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> >

> >

> >

>

> Maureen R. Gradvohl

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Back to vaccines - I would encourage less judgmental & condescending-type

posts

Some say that vaccine dangers are crackpot theories.

As we open our minds, more and more becomes less and less a crackpot theory

& others - do you have questions on vaccines, all of the, specific

ones?

We are hear to support and help with those questions

Sheri

>I try to stay away from crackpot theories.

>

>On Saturday, October 7, 2006, at 08:42 PM, maureen gradvohl wrote:

>

>> Ever hear of the eugenistics movement? Ever hear of

>> Malthus? That is where it started. The book,

>> the Population Bomb, by Ehrlich, predicted that

>> hundreds of millions of people would die in the 1970s

>> and 1980s.

>>

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Population_Bomb

>>

>> , why would you not want to even read the book?

>> I read everything I can, which is why I am on this

>> discussion board. Not everyone has two children,

>> which is why, even with people having smaller

>> families, the native population in Europe is dropping.

>>>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

Fair enough. But I would submit that if you are too open-minded, all

you end up being is gullible. Back to vaccines. -Angie

> Back to vaccines - I would encourage less judgmental &

> condescending-type

> posts

>

> Some say that vaccine dangers are crackpot theories.

>

> As we open our minds, more and more becomes less and less a crackpot

> theory