Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Well, I said I'd update y'all on my baby son's green diarrhea problem, so here it goes... Nothing conclusive I guess. I gave him Arg N according to your instructions, Sheri (though I wasn't able to space out doses 2-4 over just a short period of time). He kind of seemed to improve? Just not a strong enough difference to make it a slam dunk homeopathic victory. His allopathic doctor had said if he had an intestinal virus, it would have stripped off the villi in his intestines and he'd have to rebuild it, so I'm not sure homeopathic could help with something like that? I guess I'm not sure what is reasonable to expect from homeopathy, esp since homeopathy hasn't been able to tackle my yeast problem either (still working on that), I'm just taking you all on your word that it can do great things. At any rate, now he's come down with a bad head cold again. :-( This baby is not happy. Up for 3 hours last night, snuffly, and now a big green poop this morning. I know breastfeeding isn't a guarantee of health but I feel like my milk isn't doing enough to keep this baby from getting sick. OTOH, I guess it's more practice for his immune system. Thanks, Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 At 03:04 PM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: >Well, I said I'd update y'all on my baby son's green diarrhea problem, >so here it goes... > >Nothing conclusive I guess. I gave him Arg N according to your >instructions, Sheri (though I wasn't able to space out doses 2-4 over >just a short period of time). He kind of seemed to improve? Just not a >strong enough difference to make it a slam dunk homeopathic victory. Well how many doses, which potency and how frequent? >His allopathic doctor had said if he had an intestinal virus, it would >have stripped off the villi in his intestines and he'd have to rebuild >it, so I'm not sure homeopathic could help with something like that? sorry, don't buy that one I >guess I'm not sure what is reasonable to expect from homeopathy, esp >since homeopathy hasn't been able to tackle my yeast problem either >(still working on that), You need an excellent homeopath to deal with the whole picture. I can refer both of you. I'm just taking you all on your word that it >can do great things. > >At any rate, now he's come down with a bad head cold again. :-( This >baby is not happy. Up for 3 hours last night, snuffly, and now a big >green poop this morning. I know breastfeeding isn't a guarantee of >health but I feel like my milk isn't doing enough to keep this baby >from getting sick. OTOH, I guess it's more practice for his immune >system. Sounds like he needs to be 'seen' by a homeopath for more close follow up Sheri > >Thanks, Angie > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 > >Nothing conclusive I guess. I gave him Arg N according to your > >instructions, Sheri (though I wasn't able to space out doses 2-4 over > >just a short period of time). He kind of seemed to improve? Just not a > >strong enough difference to make it a slam dunk homeopathic victory. > > Well how many doses, which potency and how frequent? I chose 30c, gave him 1 dose the first day. His mood improved (I thought), the frequency of his diarrhea went down, but that had also been the worst day of it. Second day, he still had diarrhea, back to subdued mood. I gave him one dose, and a few hours later another and then an hour or so later another. His poop was better but not his mood. I think I gave him a dose yesterday too. His poop is really bad today, not as frequent as the worst day I mentioned above, but totally, utterly green. > > >His allopathic doctor had said if he had an intestinal virus, it would > >have stripped off the villi in his intestines and he'd have to rebuild > >it, so I'm not sure homeopathic could help with something like that? > > sorry, don't buy that one ??? what do you mean? about the villi? why not? > > Sounds like he needs to be 'seen' by a homeopath for more close follow > up > Sheri I suppose. You did give me a couple of names. I just don't know what to expect and I don't want to shell out another round of money if it's not going to make a difference. I spent $350 on my local homeopath, and we're on Round 3 of a treatment that may not be working. You had requested her info.once. Here it is: National Center for Instruction in Homeopathy and Homeotherapeutics, 1974, 75. Preceptorship, Maesimund B. Panos, M.D., D.Ht., 1974, 75. POSTGRADUATE TRAINING Residency: 1972-74 through the Department of Family Practice, Medical College of Virginia, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia Internship: 1971-72, same. EDUCATION Doctor of Medicine, 1971, Medical College of Pennsylvania, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Bachelor of Arts, General Science, Pre-med., 1967, Bridgewater College, Bridgewater, Virginia. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 At 05:25 PM 10/23/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> >Nothing conclusive I guess. I gave him Arg N according to your >> >instructions, Sheri (though I wasn't able to space out doses 2-4 over >> >just a short period of time). He kind of seemed to improve? Just not a >> >strong enough difference to make it a slam dunk homeopathic victory. >> >> Well how many doses, which potency and how frequent? > >I chose 30c, gave him 1 dose the first day. His mood improved (I >thought), the frequency of his diarrhea went down, but that had also >been the worst day of it. Second day, he still had diarrhea, back to >subdued mood. I gave him one dose, and a few hours later another and >then an hour or so later another. His poop was better but not his mood. >I think I gave him a dose yesterday too. > >His poop is really bad today, not as frequent as the worst day I >mentioned above, but totally, utterly green. Need to be more aggressive than just one dose in a day, I think. Mood should improve first & last I would suggest giving him the remedy 4 times today, spaced out and see what the effect of that is. > > >> >> >His allopathic doctor had said if he had an intestinal virus, it would >> >have stripped off the villi in his intestines and he'd have to rebuild >> >it, so I'm not sure homeopathic could help with something like that? >> >> sorry, don't buy that one > >??? what do you mean? about the villi? why not? Well, first to assume its a virus, if a virus even exists Could a virus do that? Its just not a very logical statement. > >> >> Sounds like he needs to be 'seen' by a homeopath for more close follow >> up >> Sheri > >I suppose. You did give me a couple of names. > >I just don't know what to expect and I don't want to shell out another >round of money if it's not going to make a difference. I spent $350 on >my local homeopath, and we're on Round 3 of a treatment that may not be >working. You had requested her info.once. Here it is: Its so hard to say. She doesn't have any current certifications. I don't know how she practices. I'm only referring to people who practice using remedies in water who studied with Luc de Schepper or similar and understand how to work with water potencies and work closely rather than give a remedy and wait 3 weeks or more I understand about the money Try the Arg N again Sheri > >National Center for Instruction in Homeopathy and Homeotherapeutics, >1974, 75. > >Preceptorship, Maesimund B. Panos, M.D., D.Ht., 1974, 75. > >POSTGRADUATE TRAINING > >Residency: 1972-74 through the Department of Family Practice, Medical >College of Virginia, >Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, Virginia > >Internship: 1971-72, same. > >EDUCATION > >Doctor of Medicine, 1971, Medical College of Pennsylvania, >Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. > >Bachelor of Arts, General Science, Pre-med., 1967, Bridgewater College, >Bridgewater, Virginia. > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2006 Report Share Posted October 23, 2006 Thanks, Sheri, I appreciate your response. See below. > Need to be more aggressive than just one dose in a day, I think. Mood > should improve first & last > > I would suggest giving him the remedy 4 times today, spaced out and see > what the effect of that is. OK, I'll try that. Thanks. > > > Well, first to assume its a virus, if a virus even exists > Could a virus do that? > Its just not a very logical statement. I know you don't believe viruses cause disease. I'm assuming there is a type of intestinal ailment in which this happens; whether the " virus " or whatever causes the villi to deteriorate, I don't know. I didn't drill her on specifics. Her judgment of virus versus bacteria was based on her clinical experience, but she said it was just a guess. While I question some of the conclusions of the medical establishment on many things, I don't think they are wrong about everything and do have something to offer. At any rate, she didn't think it was serious either and didn't recommend medications or anything like that, which I thought was good. She's mainstream but pretty down-to-earth about many things and is totally laid-back about us not vaccinating, even though she's pro-vaccination. Last checkup visit: " Are we still holding back on the vaccinations? OK. " End of story. > > > Its so hard to say. She doesn't have any current certifications. > I don't know how she practices. > I'm only referring to people who practice using remedies in water who > studied with Luc de Schepper or similar and understand how to work with > water potencies and work closely rather than give a remedy and wait 3 > weeks > or more It was supposed to be a week; not sure how it dragged on, but her out-of-the-country conference trip made it about 3 weeks. I was thinking about what you'd said about a homeopath needs to be available too. She's not very... emotionally available, so to speak. She was described to me by the person who recommended her as " very good, but an odd bird. " The oddness is not working so well for me right now. I'm going to see how many remedies I have to go through before she says " I don't know what's going on. " Because I'm a little annoyed. Question for you: have you known homeopathy alone to help someone with thrush? There are so many aspects to a thrush infection. Not enough normal intestinal bacteria, nutritional components out of whack. Can homeopathy fix that? I mean, how would homeopathy replace the good bacteria? I'm asking seriously. This is something I've wondered about. > > I understand about the money > > Try the Arg N again > Sheri > OK, thanks. I'll try tomorrow. -Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Forgive me butting in Angie, but have a couple of comments. > > I know you don't believe viruses cause disease. I'm assuming there is a > type of intestinal ailment in which this happens; whether the " virus " > or whatever causes the villi to deteriorate, I don't know. I didn't > drill her on specifics. Her judgment of virus versus bacteria was based > on her clinical experience, but she said it was just a guess. While I > question some of the conclusions of the medical establishment on many > things, I don't think they are wrong about everything and do have > something to offer. At any rate, she didn't think it was serious either > and didn't recommend medications or anything like that, which I thought > was good. She's mainstream but pretty down-to-earth about many things > and is totally laid-back about us not vaccinating, even though she's > pro-vaccination. Last checkup visit: " Are we still holding back on the > vaccinations? OK. " End of story. I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal biopsy. Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in the small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened with something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this diarrhoea? Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to blind you with science here... > Question for you: have you known homeopathy alone to help someone with > thrush? There are so many aspects to a thrush infection. Not enough > normal intestinal bacteria, nutritional components out of whack. Can > homeopathy fix that? I mean, how would homeopathy replace the good > bacteria? I'm asking seriously. This is something I've wondered about. Again, just my thoughts, but if you consider *thrush* in allopathic terms, then I think you need a multifactoral approach to treating it, which, as we discussed before, includes eliminating sugar from the diet and using something like caprylic acid and GSE along with probiotics to get the *thrush* under control and re-establish the flora. But given that homoeopaths don't use disease *labels* like *thrush*, but instead, prescribe a remedy based on a set of symptoms, a *picture* that the patient presents with these symptoms, then there is no reason why homoeopathy should not *cure* the *thrush*. What it is more likely to do is to change the resonance of the patient so that they themselves can throw off the *thrush* and remove their susceptibility to further trouble. They are two different approaches to the same set of symptoms, but both should get results. Please don't give up on homoeopathy - just because you haven't seen a *cure* to date doesn't mean that it's not doing the job, one layer at a time. It is not a quick fix for anything like this which is chronic in nature. Love, light and peace, Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Thanks Sue for sharing I agree totally. Re: Thrush Homeopathy works with the disturbance that makes you susceptible to it. Once you aren't susceptible, you won't have it. If you just work on getting rid of it, suppressing it, you haven't dealt with the underlying disturbance that contributes. Kind of like spraying a stagnant pond with mosquitoes with DDT - you get rid of the mosquitoes but haven't dealt with the stagnant pond. Hope that helps Sheri At 04:13 PM 10/24/2006 +0800, you wrote: >Forgive me butting in Angie, but have a couple of comments. >> >> I know you don't believe viruses cause disease. I'm assuming there is a >> type of intestinal ailment in which this happens; whether the " virus " >> or whatever causes the villi to deteriorate, I don't know. I didn't >> drill her on specifics. Her judgment of virus versus bacteria was based >> on her clinical experience, but she said it was just a guess. While I >> question some of the conclusions of the medical establishment on many >> things, I don't think they are wrong about everything and do have >> something to offer. At any rate, she didn't think it was serious either >> and didn't recommend medications or anything like that, which I thought >> was good. She's mainstream but pretty down-to-earth about many things >> and is totally laid-back about us not vaccinating, even though she's >> pro-vaccination. Last checkup visit: " Are we still holding back on the >> vaccinations? OK. " End of story. > >I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal biopsy. >Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in the >small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened with >something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if >something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little >evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this >diarrhoea? > >Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to blind you >with science here... > >> Question for you: have you known homeopathy alone to help someone with >> thrush? There are so many aspects to a thrush infection. Not enough >> normal intestinal bacteria, nutritional components out of whack. Can >> homeopathy fix that? I mean, how would homeopathy replace the good >> bacteria? I'm asking seriously. This is something I've wondered about. > >Again, just my thoughts, but if you consider *thrush* in allopathic terms, >then I think you need a multifactoral approach to treating it, which, as we >discussed before, includes eliminating sugar from the diet and using >something like caprylic acid and GSE along with probiotics to get the >*thrush* under control and re-establish the flora. > >But given that homoeopaths don't use disease *labels* like *thrush*, but >instead, prescribe a remedy based on a set of symptoms, a *picture* that the >patient presents with these symptoms, then there is no reason why >homoeopathy should not *cure* the *thrush*. What it is more likely to do is >to change the resonance of the patient so that they themselves can throw off >the *thrush* and remove their susceptibility to further trouble. > >They are two different approaches to the same set of symptoms, but both >should get results. Please don't give up on homoeopathy - just because you >haven't seen a *cure* to date doesn't mean that it's not doing the job, one >layer at a time. It is not a quick fix for anything like this which is >chronic in nature. > >Love, light and peace, > >Sue > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2006 Report Share Posted October 24, 2006 Hi Angie, are you bf your son? If yes, this will help him recover from his diarrhea really well and quick. It will keep him well hydrated too and supply him with all the nutrients he is loosing through the diarrhea. Brastmilk is good for soothing sore intestines too. If you are bf him, feed HIM NOTHING BUT BREASTMILK FOR A FEW DAYS and you should notice a big difference in his stools. Has he started any solids or other kind of milk? This can all contribute to diarrhea and going back to excl. bf will go a long way to help him. Good luck! Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Thanks, Sue, that's OK. > I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal > biopsy. > Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in > the > small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened > with > something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if > something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little > evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this > diarrhoea? > > Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to > blind you > with science here... Well, even if she was trying to " blind me with science, " her " cure " was just let his body heal itself, so I'm not too worried about it. > > Again, just my thoughts, but if you consider *thrush* in allopathic > terms, > then I think you need a multifactoral approach to treating it, which, > as we > discussed before, includes eliminating sugar from the diet and using > something like caprylic acid and GSE along with probiotics to get the > *thrush* under control and re-establish the flora. Well, that's what I was wondering. Should I be doing other things in addition to the homeopathy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 Then how do you know if it's the homeopathy that's helping or all the other stuff you're doing? Also, is this something the homeopath should discuss with me? Should he/she say, you need to do some nutritional things to help get rid of the yeast? Lastly, what if what made me susceptible to the thrush was a one-time thing -- a too-powerful antibiotic, for example? Because I don't get yeast infections as a rule. Thanks, Angie On Tuesday, October 24, 2006, at 05:36 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote: > Thanks Sue for sharing > I agree totally. > > Re: Thrush > Homeopathy works with the disturbance that makes you susceptible to it. > Once you aren't susceptible, you won't have it. > If you just work on getting rid of it, suppressing it, you haven't > dealt > with the underlying disturbance that contributes. > Kind of like spraying a stagnant pond with mosquitoes with DDT - you > get > rid of the mosquitoes but haven't dealt with the stagnant pond. > > Hope that helps > Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 > I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal > biopsy. > Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in > the > small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened > with > something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if > something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little > evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this > diarrhoea? > > Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to > blind you > with science here... > Based on the internet research I just did, she did everything correctly. This is from: (snippets) http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic856.htm Rotaviruses attach and enter mature enterocytes at the tips of small intestinal villi. They cause structural changes to the small bowel mucosa, including villus shortening and mononuclear inflammatory infiltrate in the lamina propria. A viral cause should be suspected when the warning signs of bacterial infection (ie, high fever, bloody diarrhea, severe abdominal pain, >6 stools/24 h) are absent and an alternative diagnosis is not suggested by epidemiologic clues from the history (eg, travel, sexual practices, antibiotic use). In most cases that fit the clinical features of viral gastroenteritis, lab tests are not indicated. If bacterial or protozoal infection is suspected, stool studies for occult blood, WBC count, microscopy for protozoa, Clostridium difficile toxin, Giardia lamblia by enzyme immunoassay (EIA), or bacterial culture may be indicated. Age-appropriate diets should be continued in children with diarrhea who are not dehydrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2006 Report Share Posted October 25, 2006 At 04:52 PM 10/25/2006 -0400, you wrote: >> I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal >> biopsy. >> Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in >> the >> small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened >> with >> something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if >> something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little >> evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this >> diarrhoea? >> >> Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to >> blind you >> with science here... >> > >Based on the internet research I just did, she did everything correctly. >This is from: (snippets) http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic856.htm > >Rotaviruses attach and enter mature enterocytes at the tips of small >intestinal villi. They cause structural changes to the small bowel >mucosa, including villus shortening and mononuclear inflammatory >infiltrate in the lamina propria. > >A viral cause should be suspected when the warning signs of bacterial >infection (ie, high fever, bloody diarrhea, severe abdominal pain, >6 >stools/24 h) are absent and an alternative diagnosis is not suggested >by epidemiologic clues from the history (eg, travel, sexual practices, >antibiotic use). > >In most cases that fit the clinical features of viral gastroenteritis, >lab tests are not indicated. If bacterial or protozoal infection is >suspected, stool studies for occult blood, WBC count, microscopy for >protozoa, Clostridium difficile toxin, Giardia lamblia by enzyme >immunoassay (EIA), or bacterial culture may be indicated. > >Age-appropriate diets should be continued in children with diarrhea who >are not dehydrated. > OK But does he have rotavirus? Does he have blood diarrhea ans severe abdominal pain. Here suggestion that his villi were damaged was quite a stretch Have you done more of the remedy? Really need someone who can focus specifically on helping him homeopathically and not on the list. I'm pretty overextended and not doing the best job trying to treat this way Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 > OK > But does he have rotavirus? > Does he have blood diarrhea ans severe abdominal pain. She said he probably had one of many viruses, of which rotavirus could be one. The article only discussed rotavirus. The blood diarrhea and that were for bacterial, not viral infections. > Here suggestion that his villi were damaged was quite a stretch Not damaged permanently > Have you done more of the remedy? Really need someone who can focus > specifically on helping him homeopathically and not on the list. Yes, I gave him 3 doses the day you recommended it (I tried for 4 but didn't make it. It's hard when you have to avoid food 15 minutes prior and after). He's actually improved a lot, but.... I think the jury's going to be out on this one for me because it's also the end of the time period in which his allopathic doctor said he'd be getting better on his own. So, I don't know. He's still got his snuffles, though. Actually, the REALLY bad thing is me and my thrush and this cold that won't really go away and is settling in my ears and giving me ear pain. My own homeopath said the cold was quite different and would require another consult ($$) to deal with. So, I'm just ticked off about it all, and still not sure what to be expecting from homeopathy re: my thrush. And I'm pissed off because the thrush has cost me literally hundreds of dollars trying to treat without western med (nutritional supplements, probiotics, etc.), so I'm feeling gypped and not sure what the solution is... I was hoping homeopathy would help but so far no luck, and still more outlays of lots of money. Not your problem, though. > I'm pretty overextended and not doing the best job trying to treat > this way > Sheri > No, that's OK, you do a lot keeping up this list and so forth. I'm not expecting you to do a full work-up on him or anything. I just usually like to find solutions without the " big deal " (calling a doctor, seeing a doctor, etc.) first. I really do appreciate your help. Thanks, Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thanks; I feel like my breastmilk is defective... he keeps getting these head colds and now this intestinal thing. But, in answer to your question, no, he's exclusively breastfed. No solids yet. -Angie On Tuesday, October 24, 2006, at 09:05 AM, ingrid5317 wrote: > Hi Angie, > are you bf your son? If yes, this will help him recover from his > diarrhea really well and quick. It will keep him well hydrated too and > supply him with all the nutrients he is loosing through the diarrhea. > Brastmilk is good for soothing sore intestines too. If you are bf him, > feed HIM NOTHING BUT BREASTMILK FOR A FEW DAYS and you should notice a > big difference in his stools. > Has he started any solids or other kind of milk? This can all > contribute to diarrhea and going back to excl. bf will go a long way > to help him. > Good luck! > Ingrid > > ********** " At that point, I had the right to remain silent... but I didn't have the ability. " -Ron White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 Your breasmilk is not to blame, he may be worth is he wasn't breastfed.What about extra vit. c? If he is so subsebtible to illness, this will help too. Also, constitutional treatment will work, he may be weak constitutionally. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Thanks - that's very interesting. Would that rotavirus damage be temporary or permanent? Sue > Re: Baby diarrhea update > > > > I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal > > biopsy. > > Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the villi in > > the > > small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened > > with > > something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised if > > something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so little > > evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with this > > diarrhoea? > > > > Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to > > blind you > > with science here... > > > > Based on the internet research I just did, she did everything correctly. > This is from: (snippets) http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic856.htm > > Rotaviruses attach and enter mature enterocytes at the tips of small > intestinal villi. They cause structural changes to the small bowel > mucosa, including villus shortening and mononuclear inflammatory > infiltrate in the lamina propria. > > A viral cause should be suspected when the warning signs of bacterial > infection (ie, high fever, bloody diarrhea, severe abdominal pain, >6 > stools/24 h) are absent and an alternative diagnosis is not suggested > by epidemiologic clues from the history (eg, travel, sexual practices, > antibiotic use). > > In most cases that fit the clinical features of viral gastroenteritis, > lab tests are not indicated. If bacterial or protozoal infection is > suspected, stool studies for occult blood, WBC count, microscopy for > protozoa, Clostridium difficile toxin, Giardia lamblia by enzyme > immunoassay (EIA), or bacterial culture may be indicated. > > Age-appropriate diets should be continued in children with diarrhea who > are not dehydrated. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2006 Report Share Posted October 29, 2006 Temporary! I guess they grow back???? I'm sure if it was permanent it would be much more than just a " passing virus " ; it'd be an out-and-out disease, as you had originally mentioned. Of course, they've developed a vaccine for rotavirus, since apparently green poop is more than any person should ever have to tolerate... On Sunday, October 29, 2006, at 09:16 PM, mum2mishka wrote: > Thanks - that's very interesting. Would that rotavirus damage > be > temporary or permanent? > > Sue > > > Re: Baby diarrhea update > > > > > > > I don't see how she can make that judgement without an intestinal > > > biopsy. > > > Imnsho, it would take a damned serious problem to destroy the > villi in > > > the > > > small intestine. I thought that was the type of thing that happened > > > with > > > something like ulcerative colitis or Crohns. I'd be very surprised > if > > > something so drastic should happen from a *virus* and with so > little > > > evidence (other than the diarrhoea). Is he in serious pain with > this > > > diarrhoea? > > > > > > Just my thoughts, but it sounds like she's guessing and trying to > > > blind you > > > with science here... > > > > > > > Based on the internet research I just did, she did everything > correctly. > > This is from: (snippets) http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic856.htm > > > > Rotaviruses attach and enter mature enterocytes at the tips of small > > intestinal villi. They cause structural changes to the small bowel > > mucosa, including villus shortening and mononuclear inflammatory > > infiltrate in the lamina propria. > > > > A viral cause should be suspected when the warning signs of bacterial > > infection (ie, high fever, bloody diarrhea, severe abdominal pain, >6 > > stools/24 h) are absent and an alternative diagnosis is not suggested > > by epidemiologic clues from the history (eg, travel, sexual > practices, > > antibiotic use). > > > > In most cases that fit the clinical features of viral > gastroenteritis, > > lab tests are not indicated. If bacterial or protozoal infection is > > suspected, stool studies for occult blood, WBC count, microscopy for > > protozoa, Clostridium difficile toxin, Giardia lamblia by enzyme > > immunoassay (EIA), or bacterial culture may be indicated. > > > > Age-appropriate diets should be continued in children with diarrhea > who > > are not dehydrated. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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