Re: What causes weakness of the pancreas in Chronic Fatigue?

[Guest guest]

The model that I have worked off for some 6 years now (and recovered

fully using it) would ascribe it to

Microthrombosis weakening (actually blocking) the pancreas. Same

scenario with the adrenals. Which one's depends on the infection and

what is the weak point. It weakens them.

See http://lassesen.com/CFS/MD/Default.aspx for the list of

infections suspected for CFIDS and the infections known for causing

hypercoagulation, deep vein thrombosis etc ... the Syndrome or

APS infections.

Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

type in 'pancreas APS' and you will get 20 hits,

Short term treatment would include:

* Lumbrokinease

* Serrapetase

* Nattokinease

* Bromelain

All of which can dissolve various aspects of thrombosis.

Long term would be the elimination of the infections.

>

> My daughter, now 15, who developed chronic fatigue at age 10, has

> been following biomedical treatments for autism, the low oxalate

> diet, and most recently, the ideas of Amy Yasko. We have also

> benefitted from ideas from Rich Van K on this list. Pancreatic

> enzymes were dramatically helpful, but she is now functioning

> without them. Her overall improvement in health has been very good.

>

> However, the organ that is obviously most affected is the

pancreas.

> I am concerned that she has pancreatitis, although we don't have

> testing to confirm this. She may have lost ground in glucose

> handling over the past few months and I am concerned that she may

be

> edging toward diabetes. This change in her happened after taking

CCK

> for awhile. On the bottle, it says to avoid if one has

pancreatitis.

> She is now taking supplements to support glucose handling, such as

> biotin, Vitamin D, vanadyl sulfate, chronium picolinate and eating

> primarily low glycemic. We are awaiting tests on diabetes and

> pancreatic function. I believe that taking oral pancreatic extract

3

> x day might be the supplement doing the most good for our recent

> issue, which I am concerned relates to blood sugar control.

>

> Do we know why the pancreas seems to be weakened in many people

with

> chronic fatigue? Viruses, bacteria, tissue damage from oxidative

> stress? Can any of this be reversed? What can be done to support a

> healthy pancreas?

> Thank you, Diane

>

[Guest guest]

Ken,

Is there a laboratory test for microthrombosis?

There are a few reasons in my daughter's history to make me think

microthrombosis may be a possibly. Several years ago, when my

daughter was sickest, the lab running a test for food allergies said

that there weren't enough platelets in her specimen to run the

test. Could low platelet count be a possible indicator of

microthrombosis?

Most recently, she has had some breast lumps, and when the doctor

aspirated them, thickened blood and fluid came out. We think the

lumps are dissolving with the application of moist heat. The lumps

may have formed in response to chest trauma.

Thank you for this lead,

Diane

- In , " Ken " <ken.lassesen@...>

wrote:

>

> The model that I have worked off for some 6 years now (and

recovered

> fully using it) would ascribe it to

>

> Microthrombosis weakening (actually blocking) the pancreas. Same

> scenario with the adrenals. Which one's depends on the infection

and

> what is the weak point. It weakens them.

>

> See http://lassesen.com/CFS/MD/Default.aspx for the list of

> infections suspected for CFIDS and the infections known for

causing

> hypercoagulation, deep vein thrombosis etc ... the Syndrome

or

> APS infections.

>

> Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

>

> type in 'pancreas APS' and you will get 20 hits,

>

> Short term treatment would include:

> * Lumbrokinease

> * Serrapetase

> * Nattokinease

> * Bromelain

>

> All of which can dissolve various aspects of thrombosis.

>

> Long term would be the elimination of the infections.

>

>

>

> >

> > My daughter, now 15, who developed chronic fatigue at age 10,

has

> > been following biomedical treatments for autism, the low oxalate

> > diet, and most recently, the ideas of Amy Yasko. We have also

> > benefitted from ideas from Rich Van K on this list. Pancreatic

> > enzymes were dramatically helpful, but she is now functioning

> > without them. Her overall improvement in health has been very

good.

> >

> > However, the organ that is obviously most affected is the

> pancreas.

> > I am concerned that she has pancreatitis, although we don't have

> > testing to confirm this. She may have lost ground in glucose

> > handling over the past few months and I am concerned that she

may

> be

> > edging toward diabetes. This change in her happened after taking

> CCK

> > for awhile. On the bottle, it says to avoid if one has

> pancreatitis.

> > She is now taking supplements to support glucose handling, such

as

> > biotin, Vitamin D, vanadyl sulfate, chronium picolinate and

eating

> > primarily low glycemic. We are awaiting tests on diabetes and

> > pancreatic function. I believe that taking oral pancreatic

extract

> 3

> > x day might be the supplement doing the most good for our recent

> > issue, which I am concerned relates to blood sugar control.

> >

> > Do we know why the pancreas seems to be weakened in many people

> with

> > chronic fatigue? Viruses, bacteria, tissue damage from oxidative

> > stress? Can any of this be reversed? What can be done to support

a

> > healthy pancreas?

> > Thank you, Diane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

****stagnant bile screws up your pancreas.

flush it out as well as other toxins and this helps.

Regards

CS

Re: What causes weakness of the pancreas in Chronic

Fatigue?

Ken,

Is there a laboratory test for microthrombosis?

There are a few reasons in my daughter's history to make me think

microthrombosis may be a possibly. Several years ago, when my

daughter was sickest, the lab running a test for food allergies said

that there weren't enough platelets in her specimen to run the

test. Could low platelet count be a possible indicator of

microthrombosis?

Most recently, she has had some breast lumps, and when the doctor

aspirated them, thickened blood and fluid came out. We think the

lumps are dissolving with the application of moist heat. The lumps

may have formed in response to chest trauma.

Thank you for this lead,

Diane

- In , " Ken " <ken.lassesen@...>

wrote:

>

> The model that I have worked off for some 6 years now (and

recovered

> fully using it) would ascribe it to

>

> Microthrombosis weakening (actually blocking) the pancreas. Same

> scenario with the adrenals. Which one's depends on the infection

and

> what is the weak point. It weakens them.

>

> See http://lassesen.com/CFS/MD/Default.aspx for the list of

> infections suspected for CFIDS and the infections known for

causing

> hypercoagulation, deep vein thrombosis etc ... the Syndrome

or

> APS infections.

>

> Go to: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez

>

> type in 'pancreas APS' and you will get 20 hits,

>

> Short term treatment would include:

> * Lumbrokinease

> * Serrapetase

> * Nattokinease

> * Bromelain

>

> All of which can dissolve various aspects of thrombosis.

>

> Long term would be the elimination of the infections.

>

>

>

> >

> > My daughter, now 15, who developed chronic fatigue at age 10,

has

> > been following biomedical treatments for autism, the low oxalate

> > diet, and most recently, the ideas of Amy Yasko. We have also

> > benefitted from ideas from Rich Van K on this list. Pancreatic

> > enzymes were dramatically helpful, but she is now functioning

> > without them. Her overall improvement in health has been very

good.

> >

> > However, the organ that is obviously most affected is the

> pancreas.

> > I am concerned that she has pancreatitis, although we don't have

> > testing to confirm this. She may have lost ground in glucose

> > handling over the past few months and I am concerned that she

may

> be

> > edging toward diabetes. This change in her happened after taking

> CCK

> > for awhile. On the bottle, it says to avoid if one has

> pancreatitis.

> > She is now taking supplements to support glucose handling, such

as

> > biotin, Vitamin D, vanadyl sulfate, chronium picolinate and

eating

> > primarily low glycemic. We are awaiting tests on diabetes and

> > pancreatic function. I believe that taking oral pancreatic

extract

> 3

> > x day might be the supplement doing the most good for our recent

> > issue, which I am concerned relates to blood sugar control.

> >

> > Do we know why the pancreas seems to be weakened in many people

> with

> > chronic fatigue? Viruses, bacteria, tissue damage from oxidative

> > stress? Can any of this be reversed? What can be done to support

a

> > healthy pancreas?

> > Thank you, Diane

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

This is a whole new area for me - any suggestions about how to do this?

Cheers,

Phil

>

> ****stagnant bile screws up your pancreas.

> flush it out as well as other toxins and this helps.

>

> Regards

> CS

[Guest guest]

-i think pat kane has some ideas on clearing out the billiary tree..

this may be what CS is talkign about.

google Kane, Detoxx.

> Hi,

>

> This is a whole new area for me - any suggestions about how to do

this?

>

> Cheers,

>

> Phil

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > ****stagnant bile screws up your pancreas.

> > flush it out as well as other toxins and this helps.

> >

> > Regards

> > CS

>

[Guest guest]

And

what causes stagnant bile? do you have any idea?

thanks.

Nil

>> Phil

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >

>> > ****stagnant bile screws up your pancreas.

>> > flush it out as well as other toxins and this helps.

>> >

>> > Regards

>> > CS

>>

>

[Guest guest]

My recommendation would be Hemex Labs, they are a specialist lab that

deal exclusively with coagulation issues.

It may be worth doing a hereditary factors panels (it results was real

helpful for us, identifying that one of us has a Protein S

insufficiency lead to reduction of vitamin K intake for that person and

a resulting improvement). Knowing the factors lead to a lot of pubmed

searches until you locate items that can compensate -- in our case, all

of the items did not need prescriptions.

>

> Ken,

> Is there a laboratory test for microthrombosis?

> Thank you for this lead,

> Diane

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Could she have low stomach acid? low stomach acid in long term causes pancreas

problems.

bw

Nil

What causes weakness of the pancreas in Chronic

Fatigue?

My daughter, now 15, who developed chronic fatigue at age 10, has

been following biomedical treatments for autism, the low oxalate

diet, and most recently, the ideas of Amy Yasko. We have also

benefitted from ideas from Rich Van K on this list. Pancreatic

enzymes were dramatically helpful, but she is now functioning

without them. Her overall improvement in health has been very good.

However, the organ that is obviously most affected is the pancreas.

I am concerned that she has pancreatitis, although we don't have

testing to confirm this. She may have lost ground in glucose

handling over the past few months and I am concerned that she may be

edging toward diabetes. This change in her happened after taking CCK

for awhile. On the bottle, it says to avoid if one has pancreatitis.

She is now taking supplements to support glucose handling, such as

biotin, Vitamin D, vanadyl sulfate, chronium picolinate and eating

primarily low glycemic. We are awaiting tests on diabetes and

pancreatic function. I believe that taking oral pancreatic extract 3

x day might be the supplement doing the most good for our recent

issue, which I am concerned relates to blood sugar control.

Do we know why the pancreas seems to be weakened in many people with

chronic fatigue? Viruses, bacteria, tissue damage from oxidative

stress? Can any of this be reversed? What can be done to support a

healthy pancreas?

Thank you, Diane

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