Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 Can people get these locally, or on the internet ? Is a prescription needed ? > > Anyone tried dopamine increasing drugs as treatment or part of? I had > a couple of wonderful days on Mucuna Pruriens but huge crash after the > second day has me scared off the stuff. But how wonderful I felt that > day. I'm trying to supplement with NA-Tyrosine. It seems to help quite > a bit. I've had some success with Tryptophan but it is not at all > regular. I've definitely got some NT deficiencies. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2007 Report Share Posted August 27, 2007 " " <shawnregan@...> wrote: > > Anyone tried dopamine increasing drugs as treatment or part of? I had > a couple of wonderful days on Mucuna Pruriens but huge crash after the > second day has me scared off the stuff. But how wonderful I felt that > day. I'm trying to supplement with NA-Tyrosine. It seems to help quite > a bit. I've had some success with Tryptophan but it is not at all > regular. I've definitely got some NT deficiencies. Dopamine precursors tyrosine and/or phenylalanine as targeted amino acids (no competing proteins taken at the same time) can be very helpful, but not so useful taken everyday. Sensitives will find 500-1000 mg can give an advantage. Gelatin capsules or powder for rapid absorption, no tablets. Experiment higher at your own risk. The more you take the more dramatic a first result, but also a more rocky path with it. Do not take if you have ever had a seizure, or have mania. You might get away with taking every day for a while, but there will come a time when you don't get a consistent result, so better taken every 2-4 or More days or as needed for an extra energy/clarity boost. Durk and Sandy have a product called Rise n Shine which is a phenylalanine mix with cofactors, smart drink sort of thing, non-caffeinated. Can alternate with other nutraceuticals such as chinese herbs, western herbs, etc. I have an article coming out soon with details on this topic. Tryptophan is a serotonin precursor. I suspect the body downregulates receptors quickly, so results become inconsistent if taken daily. Carol willis_protocols article archive in Files. (non-commercial, not a discussion group) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 Hi, . <shawnregan@...> wrote: > > Anyone tried dopamine increasing drugs as treatment or part of? I had > a couple of wonderful days on Mucuna Pruriens but huge crash after the > second day has me scared off the stuff. But how wonderful I felt that > day. I'm trying to supplement with NA-Tyrosine. It seems to help quite > a bit. I've had some success with Tryptophan but it is not at all > regular. I've definitely got some NT deficiencies. > ***Dopamine tends to be abnormally low in PWCs in general and seems to be tough to help by direct means, as you've found, as the upstream neuroinflammation and what is driving it may be inhibiting NT production and signaling overall. Besides going after what's driving the inflammatory process(ie, infections, toxins, low glutathione/methylation cycle blocks), you could try BH4, an important precursor to dopamine production that seems to easily get depleted in autism and CFS(check archives here or at Yasko for details). *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2007 Report Share Posted August 29, 2007 What is BH4? davidhall2020 wrote: > > Hi, . > > <shawnregan@...> wrote: > > > > Anyone tried dopamine increasing drugs as treatment or part of? I had > > a couple of wonderful days on Mucuna Pruriens but huge crash after the > > second day has me scared off the stuff. But how wonderful I felt that > > day. I'm trying to supplement with NA-Tyrosine. It seems to help quite > > a bit. I've had some success with Tryptophan but it is not at all > > regular. I've definitely got some NT deficiencies. > > > > ***Dopamine tends to be abnormally low in PWCs in general and seems to > be tough to help by direct means, as you've found, as the upstream > neuroinflammation and what is driving it may be inhibiting NT > production and signaling overall. Besides going after what's driving > the inflammatory process(ie, infections, toxins, low > glutathione/methylation cycle blocks), you could try BH4, an important > precursor to dopamine production that seems to easily get depleted in > autism and CFS(check archives here or at Yasko for details). > > *** > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@...> wrote: > > What is BH4? > > davidhall2020 wrote: " BH4...(check archives here or at Yasko for details). " > > > > *** > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 How about tetra hydro biopterin? probably should be contracted to 4HBpt Re: Dopamine theories > Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@...> wrote: >> >> What is BH4? >> >> davidhall2020 wrote: > > " BH4...(check archives here or at Yasko for details). " >> > >> > *** >> > >> > >> > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2007 Report Share Posted August 30, 2007 Same thing, . BH4 is tetrahydrobiopterin. <rwindsor@...> wrote: > > How about tetra hydro biopterin? probably should be contracted to 4HBpt > Re: Dopamine theories > > > > Gail Ilse-Mayberry <gmilsem@> wrote: > >> > >> What is BH4? > >> > >> davidhall2020 wrote: > > > > " BH4...(check archives here or at Yasko for details). " > >> > > >> > *** > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each > > other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment > > discussed here, please consult your doctor. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2007 Report Share Posted August 31, 2007 Yes, I believe dopamine is central. The deficiency of dopamine in the basal ganglia, as seen in Parkinson's, makes it difficult to gather together the resources for action, even when the mind would otherwise be triggering the action. The RX drug Wellbutrin (available as much cheaper generic) specifically addresses dopamine, unlike virtually all the other antidepressant RX drugs, which target primarily serotonin, and sometime other neurotransmitters, but not dopamine. I have found Wellburtin very helpful. Both DL-Phenylalanine and policosanol, both non RX, seem to assist it, and have not proved toxic in my own experience. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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