Re: Question about Anxiety

June 21, 2007

Jill,

If you had a problem with the oxytocin you may need to take DHEA

along with it. DHEA comes in pill form. Ask your doctor about this.

I developed severe anxiety while taking Levaquin and Avalox. These

are quinolone antibiotics and are now known to cause SEVERE CNS

damage that is irreversible in some cases. Cipro is also in this

family, as is Lariam. There were soldiers on Lariam who killed family

members or committed suicide.

If you can possibly convince your doctor to not use quinolone

antibiotics I would do so. They are simply not worth the risk when

there are alternatives.

I can send links to the research on this, but not today. I have

company coming.

a Carnes

>

> For those of you who've done a protocol including antibiotics,

> antivirals, antifungals, and transfer factor, did you experience

> increased anxiety on the protocol? As of Monday morning,the day I

> stopped taking heparin due to a reaction, my anxiety level has

> greatly increased. My doctor said the protocol could make me feel

> initially more symptomatic, so I'm wondering if that's what's going

> on. I also just lightly bumped a spot on the side of my calf near

my

> ankle and it was really tender. Is this what the tender points are

> like? [This doctor suspected FMS after a lengthy interview but he

> never tested for sensitive points.]

>

> For the anxiety I took his prescribed oxytocin last night for the

> first time and almost had a panic attack. Could have been

> psychocomatic because I was already very nervous. I then

experienced

> what seemed like more calm, but after I went to bed I woke up soon

> after feeling more agitated and like I was buzzing on a caffeine

> high.

>

> Is anxiety a common symptom of these disorders?

>

> Thanks for any insight. I hate feeling this way. We have some

> traveling coming up the end of July and I don't want to be feeling

> panicky when we fly. I'm hoping this is just the " getting worse

> before it gets better. "

>

> -Jill

>

June 21, 2007

> If you had a problem with the oxytocin you may need to take DHEA

> along with it. DHEA comes in pill form. Ask your doctor about this. <

I had been taking 25 mg DHEA in the mornings, but he wanted me to stop

for the time being. I'll ask him what he thinks. I emailed him my

concerns and am awaiting a response.

As for antibiotics, I did one round of zithromax, am still on

Acyclovir (30-day course). I'm to do another Z-pack in about a week.

I've done it before for strep throat and it didn't seem to bother me.

Is this not one of the family you mentioned?

Thanks for the response,

Jill

June 21, 2007

I've had extreme anxiety brought upon by various substances or lack of

substances. These were anxiety states that made me think I was losing

my mind - very scary. There were three different episodes brought

about by different things, none of which you're taking. I think the

bottom line is that the brain is very sensitive and it sounds like

you're taking a lot of things at once. If it were me I'd back off the

meds and see what happens. Just my opinion.

Good luck!

Michele G

>

> For those of you who've done a protocol including antibiotics,

> antivirals, antifungals, and transfer factor, did you experience

> increased anxiety on the protocol? As of Monday morning,the day I

> stopped taking heparin due to a reaction, my anxiety level has

> greatly increased. My doctor said the protocol could make me feel

> initially more symptomatic, so I'm wondering if that's what's going

> on. I also just lightly bumped a spot on the side of my calf near my

> ankle and it was really tender. Is this what the tender points are

> like? [This doctor suspected FMS after a lengthy interview but he

> never tested for sensitive points.]

>

> For the anxiety I took his prescribed oxytocin last night for the

> first time and almost had a panic attack. Could have been

> psychocomatic because I was already very nervous. I then experienced

> what seemed like more calm, but after I went to bed I woke up soon

> after feeling more agitated and like I was buzzing on a caffeine

> high.

>

> Is anxiety a common symptom of these disorders?

>

> Thanks for any insight. I hate feeling this way. We have some

> traveling coming up the end of July and I don't want to be feeling

> panicky when we fly. I'm hoping this is just the " getting worse

> before it gets better. "

>

> -Jill

>

June 21, 2007

Hi, Jill.

<kadoji@...> wrote:

>

> For those of you who've done a protocol including antibiotics,

> antivirals, antifungals, and transfer factor, did you experience

> increased anxiety on the protocol?

***Anxiety is a potential detox response for any protocol that might

help clear infections or environmental toxins.

As of Monday morning,the day I

> stopped taking heparin due to a reaction, my anxiety level has

> greatly increased. My doctor said the protocol could make me feel

> initially more symptomatic, so I'm wondering if that's what's going

> on.

***Yes, your doc seems to have pegged it right.

I also just lightly bumped a spot on the side of my calf near my

> ankle and it was really tender. Is this what the tender points are

> like?

***Yes.

[This doctor suspected FMS after a lengthy interview but he

> never tested for sensitive points.]

>

> For the anxiety I took his prescribed oxytocin last night for the

> first time and almost had a panic attack. Could have been

> psychocomatic because I was already very nervous.

***No, not psychosomatic. Oxytocin like human growth hormone and

other hormones has cysteine residues as part of the protein structure

of the hormone.

***Too much cysteine like this all at once can increase excitotoxicity

in the brain. I had the same experience with injecting too much human

growth hormone several years back and this was surprising as I

thought I'd get the more typical calming experience from taking it.

I then experienced

> what seemed like more calm, but after I went to bed I woke up soon

> after feeling more agitated and like I was buzzing on a caffeine

> high.

***Sounds like increased excitotoxicity in the brain.

>

> Is anxiety a common symptom of these disorders?

***Yes it's part of the brain injury that has occurred and adding too

much of what might increase it might only make it worse as you seem to

be experiencing.

>

> Thanks for any insight. I hate feeling this way. We have some

> traveling coming up the end of July and I don't want to be feeling

> panicky when we fly. I'm hoping this is just the " getting worse

> before it gets better. "

>

> -Jill

>

***

June 21, 2007

Hi,

My doc recommended that I take a bit of Valium when I couldn't stand

the anxiety. I would take 1/4 of a 5mg Valium and that helped a lot,

although it made me even more tired.

Michele

> >

> > For those of you who've done a protocol including antibiotics,

> > antivirals, antifungals, and transfer factor, did you experience

> > increased anxiety on the protocol?

>

> ***Anxiety is a potential detox response for any protocol that might

> help clear infections or environmental toxins.

>

> As of Monday morning,the day I

> > stopped taking heparin due to a reaction, my anxiety level has

> > greatly increased. My doctor said the protocol could make me feel

> > initially more symptomatic, so I'm wondering if that's what's going

> > on.

>

> ***Yes, your doc seems to have pegged it right.

>

> I also just lightly bumped a spot on the side of my calf near my

> > ankle and it was really tender. Is this what the tender points are

> > like?

>

> ***Yes.

>

> [This doctor suspected FMS after a lengthy interview but he

> > never tested for sensitive points.]

> >

> > For the anxiety I took his prescribed oxytocin last night for the

> > first time and almost had a panic attack. Could have been

> > psychocomatic because I was already very nervous.

>

> ***No, not psychosomatic. Oxytocin like human growth hormone and

> other hormones has cysteine residues as part of the protein structure

> of the hormone.

>

> ***Too much cysteine like this all at once can increase excitotoxicity

> in the brain. I had the same experience with injecting too much human

> growth hormone several years back and this was surprising as I

> thought I'd get the more typical calming experience from taking it.

>

> I then experienced

> > what seemed like more calm, but after I went to bed I woke up soon

> > after feeling more agitated and like I was buzzing on a caffeine

> > high.

>

> ***Sounds like increased excitotoxicity in the brain.

>

> >

> > Is anxiety a common symptom of these disorders?

>

> ***Yes it's part of the brain injury that has occurred and adding too

> much of what might increase it might only make it worse as you seem to

> be experiencing.

> >

> > Thanks for any insight. I hate feeling this way. We have some

> > traveling coming up the end of July and I don't want to be feeling

> > panicky when we fly. I'm hoping this is just the " getting worse

> > before it gets better. "

> >

> > -Jill

> >

> ***

>

June 21, 2007

Jill, your doctor has piled everything plus the kitchen sink into your

body, willy nilly imo. He should try to determine, if he can, what he

thinks is a priority for your body now, and start one drug at a time.

This approach, just loading everything on, lacks respect or

consideration for the body itself. This is not a race to the finish

line. He may indeed be right in his hunch about chronic infections,

but trying to blast the waterfront and to give you heparin and

hormones all at once seems very dicey to me. Just my 1/2 centavo.