Re: Link between CFS and sexual hormones?

[Guest guest]

Jay Goldstein has commented on this phenomenon and links it norepinephrine

depletion. After that you are on your own, the literature is not very

enlightening for me.

Regards

R

Link between CFS and sexual hormones?

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am a male in my thirties and have been a CFIDS sufferer for over 10

> years. My symptoms have included rash, vomiting, muscle spasms, sleep

> disorder, and of course fatigue. I have spent many years developing my

> own theory of what causes this condition. Please read this carefully,

> I think I'm onto something here:

>

> There seems to be a very direct and predictable correlation between my

> CFS symptoms and my sexual activity. It is well known that sexual

> activity can drain a CFS patient of their energy, often resulting in

> long bed rest. But I have discovered the opposite to be true as well,

> practicing celibacy leads to an incredible build-up of energy in my case.

>

> To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

> build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

> disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift weights

> and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the energy

> level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the gym for

> hours. By practicing celibacy for months at a time, I have been able

> to develop the muscular level of a bodybuilder. Of course, when I can

> no longer sustain this cycle, and inevitably engage in sexual

> activity, my body CRASHES and it is like I am starting at point zero

> again, unable to tolerate the slightest exercise.

>

> I think these findings are VERY important for potential research, and

> for my own cure. What is the chemical that my body produces, what is

> happening here? Is this about hormones? Is it chemical? Does this

> have to do with adrenaline?

>

> I would love to discuss this further with researchers and patients and

> develop a theory and a cure for this dreadful disease. Please give me

> any advice you can on how to make progress, thank you!

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

> other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

> discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

FWIW, I would do a saliva test of adrenals, sex hormones, and thyroid if I

were you. If any of these are off - and it sounds like there certainly

could be an inbalance - you can supplement with bio-identical hormones

rather than chemical alternatives ...

Just my two cents,

Liz S.

> ----- Original Message -----

> From: " acekingsuited06 "

>>

>> To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

>> build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

>> disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift weights

>> and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the energy

>> level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the gym for

>> hours.

[Guest guest]

Depletion pinpoints what I was saying in general terms.

In a message dated 07/31/07 4:00:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rwindsor@... writes:

Jay Goldstein has commented on this phenomenon and links it norepinephrine

depletion. After that you are on your own, the literature is not very

enlightening for me.

Regards

R

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[Guest guest]

Sexual excitement and activity foster Nitric Oxide,

which in turn fosters peroxynitrite. NO also upregulates

gelatinases (MMPs), so tends to tear down collagen faster

than it can be rebuilt. From a TCM perspective, sexual activity

depletes " kidney yin " particularly, the subtlest energy

reserves of the body, etc, which decline with age. The low back,

nervous system, and eyes can especially suffer with the

peroxynitrite and upregulated gelatinases.

Anything you can do to not generate peroxynitrite or

excess NO will probably make you feel better.

Our culture glorifies sexual excitement and activity, but

the old timers from 100 yrs ago or longer were wise on these

subjects. As I recall, Napoleon Hill talked about this also.

LESS CAN BE MORE.

A bit more adrenal support with some extra pantothenic acid

can be helpful as well and help turn down the inflammatory

tendencies. More adrenal reserves seem to translate

to better natural control and moderation.

Carol Willis

cbwillis9@...

willis_protocols

my articles in Files. Links. (non-commercial, not a discussion group)

[Guest guest]

Interesting, I know sexual release has a big effect on dopamine and

prolactin.

I came across this article about a year ago that was pretty

informative of the chemical changes that happens after sexual climax.

http://www.reuniting.info/science/dopamine_separation_after_orgasm

" Even though Dopamine decreases immediately following orgasm, hangover

symptoms from over-stimulation, may continue for much longer, in fact,

weeks. People usually don't realize the connection between the trigger

of, and lasting effect of, Dopamine. "

http://www.onlinedatingmagazine.com/columns/datinginsideout/30-prolactin.html

<acekingsuited06@...> wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am a male in my thirties and have been a CFIDS sufferer for over 10

> years. My symptoms have included rash, vomiting, muscle spasms, sleep

> disorder, and of course fatigue. I have spent many years developing my

> own theory of what causes this condition. Please read this carefully,

> I think I'm onto something here:

>

> There seems to be a very direct and predictable correlation between my

> CFS symptoms and my sexual activity. It is well known that sexual

> activity can drain a CFS patient of their energy, often resulting in

> long bed rest. But I have discovered the opposite to be true as well,

> practicing celibacy leads to an incredible build-up of energy in my

case.

>

> To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

> build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

> disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift weights

> and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the energy

> level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the gym for

> hours. By practicing celibacy for months at a time, I have been able

> to develop the muscular level of a bodybuilder. Of course, when I can

> no longer sustain this cycle, and inevitably engage in sexual

> activity, my body CRASHES and it is like I am starting at point zero

> again, unable to tolerate the slightest exercise.

>

> I think these findings are VERY important for potential research, and

> for my own cure. What is the chemical that my body produces, what is

> happening here? Is this about hormones? Is it chemical? Does this

> have to do with adrenaline?

>

> I would love to discuss this further with researchers and patients and

> develop a theory and a cure for this dreadful disease. Please give me

> any advice you can on how to make progress, thank you!

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Taoists have said for thousands of years that ejaculation (not sex)

can drain men of energy. It is more than just the chemicals in semen

but its " life force energy, " like qi/chi, called ching. Taoists have

developed ways of having sex to avoid ejaculation and increase

energy with a partner. The exchange of female and male energies, the

yin and yang, increase the energy of both partners, they say. Google

Mantak Chia, his website and books. Sexual energy can be used for

healing and directed toward other organs.

I have found that ejaculating less helps my energy and health, and

certainly increases my sexual pleasure. Two days a week is an ok

frequency for me and i am 45. I wait longer when i feel like i can.

On those days multiple shots are ok since most of the semen is lost

in the first shot and the second orgasm seems to more than double

the overall affect and puts me in a great state for a few days. I

think orgasm and sexuality in general is important for emotional and

physical health.

But the important thing in my case is that my diet sustains hormone

production. I can tolerate cumming every day without crashing,

although this is not optimum for progress. I can do this by eating

raw dairy especially, and also plenty of meat. The raw dairy

provides cholesterol which is what hormones are made of. It must be

RAW butter or cream. Look it up raw dairy if you don't understand.

Check out Primal Diet. This diet makes one really horny and makes

skin and hair look younger. It is a good detoxifier and energy

builder for cfs.

I have tried maca with cocoa and that is very energizing, but i

wonder if it is also partly stimulating and drains energy over time.

When i am exhausted sometimes it doesn't get my energy up but makes

me feel agitated and unable to sleep as well.

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>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I am a male in my thirties and have been a CFIDS sufferer for over

10

> years. My symptoms have included rash, vomiting, muscle spasms,

sleep

> disorder, and of course fatigue. I have spent many years

developing my

> own theory of what causes this condition. Please read this

carefully,

> I think I'm onto something here:

>

> There seems to be a very direct and predictable correlation

between my

> CFS symptoms and my sexual activity. It is well known that sexual

> activity can drain a CFS patient of their energy, often resulting

in

> long bed rest. But I have discovered the opposite to be true as

well,

> practicing celibacy leads to an incredible build-up of energy in

my case.

>

> To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

> build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

> disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift

weights

> and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the

energy

> level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the gym

for

> hours. By practicing celibacy for months at a time, I have been

able

> to develop the muscular level of a bodybuilder. Of course, when I

can

> no longer sustain this cycle, and inevitably engage in sexual

> activity, my body CRASHES and it is like I am starting at point

zero

> again, unable to tolerate the slightest exercise.

>

> I think these findings are VERY important for potential research,

and

> for my own cure. What is the chemical that my body produces, what

is

> happening here? Is this about hormones? Is it chemical? Does

this

> have to do with adrenaline?

>

> I would love to discuss this further with researchers and patients

and

> develop a theory and a cure for this dreadful disease. Please

give me

> any advice you can on how to make progress, thank you!

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If I go multiple times could end up in the hospital. There is a

cumulative weakening effect in my case. Very pronounced.

Very interesting about Taoism. I will check it out. I believe there

is more than just the nutrients as well.

Any raw diet suggestions for those who do not tolelare milk?

I am glad you can have a normal sexual life. I am married, and it is

difficult to have to leave intimacy for Friday nights only, then

crash for the whole weekend (every weekend), then back to work to

support the family.

Why not go celibate?, Does not work for me. My allergies go through

the roof when I do that, and eventually mother nature takes over and

takes care of the sexual tension while sleeping. That is a un-

planned crash that takes 2 days away from work. Not good.

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I am a male in my thirties and have been a CFIDS sufferer for

over

> 10

> > years. My symptoms have included rash, vomiting, muscle spasms,

> sleep

> > disorder, and of course fatigue. I have spent many years

> developing my

> > own theory of what causes this condition. Please read this

> carefully,

> > I think I'm onto something here:

> >

> > There seems to be a very direct and predictable correlation

> between my

> > CFS symptoms and my sexual activity. It is well known that sexual

> > activity can drain a CFS patient of their energy, often resulting

> in

> > long bed rest. But I have discovered the opposite to be true as

> well,

> > practicing celibacy leads to an incredible build-up of energy in

> my case.

> >

> > To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

> > build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

> > disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift

> weights

> > and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the

> energy

> > level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the gym

> for

> > hours. By practicing celibacy for months at a time, I have been

> able

> > to develop the muscular level of a bodybuilder. Of course, when

I

> can

> > no longer sustain this cycle, and inevitably engage in sexual

> > activity, my body CRASHES and it is like I am starting at point

> zero

> > again, unable to tolerate the slightest exercise.

> >

> > I think these findings are VERY important for potential research,

> and

> > for my own cure. What is the chemical that my body produces,

what

> is

> > happening here? Is this about hormones? Is it chemical? Does

> this

> > have to do with adrenaline?

> >

> > I would love to discuss this further with researchers and

patients

> and

> > develop a theory and a cure for this dreadful disease. Please

> give me

> > any advice you can on how to make progress, thank you!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I remember reading somewhere reputable(pubmed or something similar)

when I was looking up info on autoimmune diseases that antibodies to

estrogen were either very common or the most common antibodies when

other autoantibodies, ie thyroid, etc. were present. This caused me

to think about CFS and FM in the sense that more women than men are

reported to suffer. It could be a similar thing here. The male body

could produce estrogen after orgasm, or some similar hormone, you

know, to get in the mood to cuddle and stuff, and there's an

autoimmune reaction.

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I am a male in my thirties and have been a CFIDS sufferer for

> over

> > 10

> > > years. My symptoms have included rash, vomiting, muscle

spasms,

> > sleep

> > > disorder, and of course fatigue. I have spent many years

> > developing my

> > > own theory of what causes this condition. Please read this

> > carefully,

> > > I think I'm onto something here:

> > >

> > > There seems to be a very direct and predictable correlation

> > between my

> > > CFS symptoms and my sexual activity. It is well known that

sexual

> > > activity can drain a CFS patient of their energy, often

resulting

> > in

> > > long bed rest. But I have discovered the opposite to be true

as

> > well,

> > > practicing celibacy leads to an incredible build-up of energy

in

> > my case.

> > >

> > > To explain further, a few weeks of abstinence seems to cause the

> > > build-up of some chemical that my body is lacking. If I am

> > > disciplined enough to allow this to happen, I am able to lift

> > weights

> > > and exercise regularly. After about a month of abstinence, the

> > energy

> > > level is so high that I can do extreme cardio and stay in the

gym

> > for

> > > hours. By practicing celibacy for months at a time, I have

been

> > able

> > > to develop the muscular level of a bodybuilder. Of course,

when

> I

> > can

> > > no longer sustain this cycle, and inevitably engage in sexual

> > > activity, my body CRASHES and it is like I am starting at point

> > zero

> > > again, unable to tolerate the slightest exercise.

> > >

> > > I think these findings are VERY important for potential

research,

> > and

> > > for my own cure. What is the chemical that my body produces,

> what

> > is

> > > happening here? Is this about hormones? Is it chemical? Does

> > this

> > > have to do with adrenaline?

> > >

> > > I would love to discuss this further with researchers and

> patients

> > and

> > > develop a theory and a cure for this dreadful disease. Please

> > give me

> > > any advice you can on how to make progress, thank you!

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>