Re: Let's move on.... Magnesium

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks for the link, interesting article.

The problem I have with the chart is that it does not provide the quantity

of Calcium in those foods.

Calcium is the antagonist of Magnesium. Lots of foods have good quantities

of Mg but also contain about as much Ca, so correcting an imbalance by

eating those foods takes a much longer time. Mg is easily lost in cooking, so

food

prep methods are important to retain the minerals.

What I did in 2001 or 2002 was to increase Mg as foods and liquid

supplements and decreased Ca from all sources.

I like quinoa and make tabbouleh with it (heavy on the parsley) in place of

bulghur wheat.

mjh

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(mascis_j)

Sat Jul 7, 2007 12:04 pm (PST)

Quinoa is high in magnesium. Also complete protein since it is a

seed. I don't feel the need to eat as much meat when I'm eating

quinoa, although it does seem to aggravate my food intolerance thing.

Makes the heart go thumpy thumpy.

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(http://www.nutritionadvocate.com/story/magnesium.html)

The chart at the bottom is kind of weird. It compares one cup of

quinoa alongside one pound of pinto beans. You can eat a cup of

quinoa, I wouldn't suggest eating a pound of beans.

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[Guest guest]

Hi - I was told back in the early 1980s that calcium offsets the

affects of magnesium, and that calcium and magnesium should be taken in

a ratio of 2/1 for proper utilization. Well, the latter definitely is

not true, and while calcium antagonizes the effects of magnesium at the

cellular level, calcium intake does not necessarily increase calcium

cellular levels. The body tightly regulates the amount of calcium which

is absorbed, and which circulates. If you ingest less calcium, the body

will simply increase the absorption rate.

In the 10 years that I've been researching magnesium, I've not found any

study that shows that calcium supplementation offsets the effect of

magnesium supplementation. In fact, I see evidence for the opposite,

such as the following study, which showed that calcium balance is

coorelated with magnesium balance.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abs\

tract & list_uids=15637232 & query_hl=9 & itool=pubmed_docsum

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Ab\

stract & list_uids=15637232 & query_hl=9 & itool=pubmed_docsum>

In other words, for that population group, the higher the calcium

balance (i.e. the ratio of calcium intake to calcium loss), the greater

the magnesium balance. In fact, the calcium balance was found to have s

greater correlation with magnesium balance, than did magnesium intake.

It's possible that the misconception about calcium supplementation's

effect on magnesium is due to studies in the 1980s that showed that a

high calcium diet reduced magnesium absorption. However, those studies

were done on animals, and later studies in humans did not show a similar

effect. And even if this was a problem, simply taking more magnesium

would offset this effect. (FWIW, I take 900mg of magnesium.) - Mark

>

> Hi thanks for the link, interesting article.

>

> The problem I have with the chart is that it does not provide the

quantity

> of Calcium in those foods.

>

> Calcium is the antagonist of Magnesium. Lots of foods have good

quantities

> of Mg but also contain about as much Ca, so correcting an imbalance by

> eating those foods takes a much longer time. Mg is easily lost in

cooking, so food

> prep methods are important to retain the minerals.

>

> What I did in 2001 or 2002 was to increase Mg as foods and liquid

> supplements and decreased Ca from all sources.

>

> I like quinoa and make tabbouleh with it (heavy on the parsley) in

place of

> bulghur wheat.

>

> mjh

>

>

>

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> Posted by: " j mascis " _mascis_j@... _

> (mailto:mascis_j@...?Subject= Re:%20Let's%20move%20on....) _mascis_j _

> (mascis_j)

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 12:04 pm (PST)

> Quinoa is high in magnesium. Also complete protein since it is a

> seed. I don't feel the need to eat as much meat when I'm eating

> quinoa, although it does seem to aggravate my food intolerance thing.

> Makes the heart go thumpy thumpy.

>

> _http://www.nutritiohttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp://wwwhttp_

> (http://www.nutritionadvocate.com/story/magnesium.html)

>

> The chart at the bottom is kind of weird. It compares one cup of

> quinoa alongside one pound of pinto beans. You can eat a cup of

> quinoa, I wouldn't suggest eating a pound of beans.

>

>

>

>

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http://www.aol.com.

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[Guest guest]

Lots of folks boil veggies and throw out the cooking water. It is my

understanding that many minerals get lost that way. mjh

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_mascis_j _

(mascis_j)

Sun Jul 8, 2007 11:11 am (PST)

How would Mg be lost in cooking? Vitamins can break down from heat,

proteins can be denatured into constituant amino acids, but Mg is a

mineral, there's nothing else for it to turn into.

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[Guest guest]

Mark, what form of magnesium do you take?

I'm trying to figure an alternate way to get my magnesium. I'm

thinking of Lee Silsby's cream but I'm not sure my body loves

sulfates. I hate epsom salts. I can't seem to tolerate my injections,

and I haven't yet figured out the correct osmolarity for a sterile

water push (Dr Katz at Yale uses a formula that may have been

originally pioneered by Alan Gaby, but I don't want to risk that much

magnesium right now when my kidneys are still very weak and I think

inflamed from the salt damage). Obviously I am going to avoid any

isotonic saline drips.

I'm feeling the effects of the low magnesium so much. It makes me

irritable, depressed, and I have more neuropathic pain and stiff

joints in the morning. For whatever reasons magnesium does function as

an antihistamine, anti inflammatory, and antidepressant.

I can take the b6 shots in my butt, but when I did IV's the whole

point was the synergy of magnesium and b6.

I'm stumped by this impasse.

What are folks' favorite absorbable forms of magnesium?

[Guest guest]

How would Mg be lost in cooking? Vitamins can break down from heat,

proteins can be denatured into constituant amino acids, but Mg is a

mineral, there's nothing else for it to turn into.

>

> Hi thanks for the link, interesting article.

>

> The problem I have with the chart is that it does not provide the

quantity

> of Calcium in those foods.

>

> Calcium is the antagonist of Magnesium. Lots of foods have good

quantities

> of Mg but also contain about as much Ca, so correcting an

imbalance by

> eating those foods takes a much longer time. Mg is easily lost in

cooking, so food

> prep methods are important to retain the minerals.

>

> What I did in 2001 or 2002 was to increase Mg as foods and liquid

> supplements and decreased Ca from all sources.

>

> I like quinoa and make tabbouleh with it (heavy on the parsley) in

place of

> bulghur wheat.

>

> mjh

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

why do you hate epsom salts? Are you referring to baths? If it's too

fatiguing to takes baths you can just soak your legs.

This is an excellent method of absorbing mg.

I used to take shots but now I take mg glycinate caps with P-5-P.

nat

[Guest guest]

Where do you get your mg glycinate capsules? Do you have a URL? I

would appreciate it! I've been thinking of trying that form.

I hate epsom salts. I don't know why. They seem chemical and icky tome

and I feel worse when I try them. I don't mind dead sea salts, which

are very high in minerals, but they're a luxury for me right now and

besides its summer and hot and I don't feel like taking hot baths.

>

> Jill,

>

> why do you hate epsom salts? Are you referring to baths? If it's too

> fatiguing to takes baths you can just soak your legs.

> This is an excellent method of absorbing mg.

>

> I used to take shots but now I take mg glycinate caps with P-5-P.

>

> nat

>

[Guest guest]

I've been buying my magnesium glycinate from Kirkmans Lab, you can buy

it in powder or capsule form. They also sell Mg Glycinate/P-5-P

combined in one capsule. I like all Kirkman supplements because they

are designed exclusively for sensitive individuals.

I'm with you as far as not taking baths in the summer.

I bought a 10kg tub of dead sea salts from a company that sells to spas

yrs ago but it's very difficult to get now.

Nat