THE CAUSE OF FIBROMYALGIA by A. Uttley

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This article on fluoride is fascinating. One thing I noted was the

comment on fluorides in medicines we take, in particular cipro. I

have often wondered if my severe bad reaction to Levaquin and Avalox

was due to the fluoride more than to the quinolone, or a deadly

combo. Here is the paragraph on this from the link above.

-a Carnes

However, as the leading experts in fluoride toxicity have cautioned

for decades, there is also a huge risk in adding even minute

quantities of fluoride to each new drug. For not only do they add to

the already dangerous levels of the cumulative neurotoxin in our

diet, but it is entirely possible that certain prescription drugs

could potentially fragment within the human body and reform hyper-

toxic fluoride compounds, such as fluoroacetate. Given that there is

a well-known delayed reaction between the point such forms of

fluoride enter the body (or are formed in the body), and when

symptoms begin, each new drug represents a potential time bomb; a

truly nightmare scenario made infinitely more likely with an FDA run

by Wall Street analysts, appointed specifically to fast track drugs

and allow drug companies not to have to monitor their long-term,

chronic toxicity. That there was a delayed reaction in the onset of

symptoms for most veterans of the first Gulf War, as well as the

victims of the anthrax letters treated with Cipro, it seems

increasingly likely that fibromyalgia represents just such a worst-

case scenario.

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This is fascinating, I have consulted with dr rosner back in 02, but I

had no idea that the spinal connection was possibly related to

something like this, figured it was just bad genetics or accidents,

although I could see where perhaps it all ties in, because not everyone

gets fms,so probably some folks more vulnerable and cross a thresh

hold. so where is it at today with floride in our water?

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I wish these well-intentioned people wouldn't put such misleading titles on

their articles.

It should've been titled, " The Cause of MY Fibromyalgia " . And then talked about

the Cipro

more, and less stress put on flouridated water. I'm not saying flouride in the

water is a good

thing, but if that was the cause of fibro, everyone in the country would be

sick.

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I suspect this fluoride thing is a piece of the puzzle for some of

us. I think it explains why some of us really get sick when we take

fluoroquinolone antibiotics. If that is so, then it could also

explain why some can tolerate samento or cat's claw but not the

quinolone antibiotics. (Of course, some cannot tolerate the herbals

either. I would be too scared to try.)

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> This is fascinating, I have consulted with dr rosner back in 02,

but I

> had no idea that the spinal connection was possibly related to

> something like this, figured it was just bad genetics or accidents,

> although I could see where perhaps it all ties in, because not

everyone

> gets fms,so probably some folks more vulnerable and cross a thresh

> hold. so where is it at today with floride in our water?

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Amen to that.

Also, the author has a strange way of using Garth Nicholson to support his

thesis:

" ...Garth and Nicolson – renowned immunologists who began studying

fibromyalgia

when their daughter returned home from Iraq at the end of the first Gulf War

complaining

of symptoms. In developing the highly sophisticated mycoplasma test, the

Nicolsons

demonstrated that immune dysfunction was a key component of fibromyalgia.

Discovered

that male veterans afflicted with the condition appeared to spread fibromyalgia

sexually to

their female partners through an unusually high incidence of recurring urinary

tract

infections. Presumably unaware of the potential connection to fluorinated

antibiotics, the

Nicolsons went on an unsuccessful search for a potential contagious biological

agent that

might be able to explain the rapid rise in fibromyalgia.... "

So that proves that FM is about flouride...? (Not to mention that this

description of

Nicholson's work is confused and confusing, complete with an incomplete

sentence.)

The author might want to stick to writing about personal experiences, opinions,

and

speculations. Scientific writing has different demands.

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It also struck me that Garth and Nicolson are not immunologists, they and

biochemists/molecular biologists.

Re: THE CAUSE OF FIBROMYALGIA by A. Uttley

Amen to that.

Also, the author has a strange way of using Garth Nicholson to support his

thesis:

" ...Garth and Nicolson - renowned immunologists who began studying

fibromyalgia

when their daughter returned home from Iraq at the end of the first Gulf War

complaining

of symptoms. In developing the highly sophisticated mycoplasma test, the

Nicolsons

demonstrated that immune dysfunction was a key component of fibromyalgia.

Discovered

that male veterans afflicted with the condition appeared to spread

fibromyalgia sexually to

their female partners through an unusually high incidence of recurring urinary

tract

infections. Presumably unaware of the potential connection to fluorinated

antibiotics, the

Nicolsons went on an unsuccessful search for a potential contagious biological

agent that

might be able to explain the rapid rise in fibromyalgia.... "

So that proves that FM is about flouride...? (Not to mention that this

description of

Nicholson's work is confused and confusing, complete with an incomplete

sentence.)

The author might want to stick to writing about personal experiences,

opinions, and

speculations. Scientific writing has different demands.

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I read the book " the plutonium files " a few years ago ,written by a

journalist who got the declassified papers in the early 90s--its

shocking to learn that the govmt experimented on our own with

plutonium killing some folks,so its interesting to me that fluoride

relates into that whole situation.

But yes, I also do not understand a few things with this article,

can anyone respond?

-why would they risk effecting the whole population with putting it

in everyone's water? and why don't more people get ill?

-how does drinking tea tie into fluoride? (its warned against in

article)

-did amand and guifanesen protocol specifically relate itself to

fluroide, whats the connection? (its mentioned in article)

-did dr. rosner state that bonespurs are from fluoride, had he made

the connection?

I found the article captivating and an intruguing way to connect a

lot of dots for me. I suspect it could be one more piece to a puzzle

for me but not nec. the entire explanation. thx

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i find this very interesting and makes some sense to me....it connects dots for

me as well.

i first noticed the cfs/fibro after a sinus infection in the fall of 2004. i

was prescribed cipro at that time. i then got another sinus infection the

following february and was prescribed it again....and then a year later another

sinus infection, again had the cipro. last week....i again had a sinus

infection. and guess what? cipro was prescribed. so when i saw this article i

was floored....and wanted to immediately stop taking it.......

but.....to be honest...i have felt better while being on it......i have not had

any brain fog and have been sleeping through the night. everything has been

better except my energy level is about the same.......

has anyone ever thought that if our bodies have this flouride issue.....that

maybe we might need it or crave it to feel good. like an alcoholic needs

alchol. i am not saying it is a good thing....but just suggesting based on this

reading and putting two and two together of the sinus infection that so many

have claimed to have had and then it turns into this. are a lot of people with

the sinus infection's being prescribed cipro or equivalent?

as i said....i have been on it for a week today....and a lot of my symptoms are

gone....in fact i almost felt normal for most of the time after being on

cipro.....except for the 3 days of headaches and no sleep that i got while my

body was adjusting to the drug.

dc

Re: THE CAUSE OF FIBROMYALGIA by A. Uttley

I read the book " the plutonium files " a few years ago ,written by a

journalist who got the declassified papers in the early 90s--its

shocking to learn that the govmt experimented on our own with

plutonium killing some folks,so its interesting to me that fluoride

relates into that whole situation.

But yes, I also do not understand a few things with this article,

can anyone respond?

-why would they risk effecting the whole population with putting it

in everyone's water? and why don't more people get ill?

-how does drinking tea tie into fluoride? (its warned against in

article)

-did amand and guifanesen protocol specifically relate itself to

fluroide, whats the connection? (its mentioned in article)

-did dr. rosner state that bonespurs are from fluoride, had he made

the connection?

I found the article captivating and an intruguing way to connect a

lot of dots for me. I suspect it could be one more piece to a puzzle

for me but not nec. the entire explanation. thx

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I think you can have a good effect from Cipro, namely killing of the

bacteria causing your sinus infection. It is also effective at

killing borrelia, the cause of Lyme disease. But at the same time you

can be getting bad effects from Cipro damaging your tendons and

nerves. One scientist working for Cubist said, " We put the drug in

and hope it kills the bacteria before it harms the person. "

Why don't you try Zithromax for your sinus infection? It is much

safer than Cipro.

a Carnes

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> i find this very interesting and makes some sense to me....it

connects dots for me as well.

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> i first noticed the cfs/fibro after a sinus infection in the fall

of 2004. i was prescribed cipro at that time. i then got another

sinus infection the following february and was prescribed it

again....and then a year later another sinus infection, again had the

cipro. last week....i again had a sinus infection. and guess what?

cipro was prescribed. so when i saw this article i was

floored....and wanted to immediately stop taking it.......

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> but.....to be honest...i have felt better while being on it......i

have not had any brain fog and have been sleeping through the night.

everything has been better except my energy level is about the

same.......

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> has anyone ever thought that if our bodies have this flouride

issue.....that maybe we might need it or crave it to feel good. like

an alcoholic needs alchol. i am not saying it is a good thing....but

just suggesting based on this reading and putting two and two

together of the sinus infection that so many have claimed to have had

and then it turns into this. are a lot of people with the sinus

infection's being prescribed cipro or equivalent?

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> as i said....i have been on it for a week today....and a lot of my

symptoms are gone....in fact i almost felt normal for most of the

time after being on cipro.....except for the 3 days of headaches and

no sleep that i got while my body was adjusting to the drug.

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> I read the book " the plutonium files " a few years ago ,written by

a

> journalist who got the declassified papers in the early 90s--its

> shocking to learn that the govmt experimented on our own with

> plutonium killing some folks,so its interesting to me that

fluoride

> relates into that whole situation.

> But yes, I also do not understand a few things with this article,

> can anyone respond?

> -why would they risk effecting the whole population with putting

it

> in everyone's water? and why don't more people get ill?

> -how does drinking tea tie into fluoride? (its warned against in

> article)

> -did amand and guifanesen protocol specifically relate itself to

> fluroide, whats the connection? (its mentioned in article)

> -did dr. rosner state that bonespurs are from fluoride, had he

made

> the connection?

>

> I found the article captivating and an intruguing way to connect

a

> lot of dots for me. I suspect it could be one more piece to a

puzzle

> for me but not nec. the entire explanation. thx

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I haven't read the article, but reading this post I'd thought I'd

mention that I've been drinking distilled water for the past several

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What are these sinus infections everyone talks about?

I'm really allergic to dairy, and when I drink milk my nose runs non-

stop, especially in the morning. I have to use old t-shirts for rags

it's so much. But I've noticed when I use the same t-shirt or paper

towel and then re-use it, my nose sometimes gets infected. Not

sinuses, but my nose. Is this what you all are talking about?

It just got me thinking because I read in wiki that CMV infects the

salivary glands, and me and foxhillers both have problems salivating.

So nasal glands might be similar to salivary glands and CMV might

have weakened any resistance to infection. Just a thought.

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Whoops, not too clear. I mean that I've been drinking distilled and

nothing has changed in regards to my CFS. We just have bad water

around here.

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thanks paula. i will try that.

dc

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> I read the book " the plutonium files " a few years ago ,written by

a

> journalist who got the declassified papers in the early 90s--its

> shocking to learn that the govmt experimented on our own with

> plutonium killing some folks,so its interesting to me that

fluoride

> relates into that whole situation.

> But yes, I also do not understand a few things with this article,

> can anyone respond?

> -why would they risk effecting the whole population with putting

it

> in everyone's water? and why don't more people get ill?

> -how does drinking tea tie into fluoride? (its warned against in

> article)

> -did amand and guifanesen protocol specifically relate itself to

> fluroide, whats the connection? (its mentioned in article)

> -did dr. rosner state that bonespurs are from fluoride, had he

made

> the connection?

>

> I found the article captivating and an intruguing way to connect

a

> lot of dots for me. I suspect it could be one more piece to a

puzzle

> for me but not nec. the entire explanation. thx

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