Re: Autism and the perinatal period

[Guest guest]

Hi, Ingrid,

I have always been curious to know, statistically, how many autistic children

were born via ceserean. Nearly every mother I have spoken too, myself included,

underwent a c-section at the birth of their autistic child. Isn't that

interesting? Any moms of autisitic children care to share how your child was

born?

Anita

Ingrid Schebesch <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

BUT, what I would want to know is how many children who were born in

hspitals, had birth interventions etc., became autistic before the introduction

of the MMR .?

This would mean looking at the whole picture and finding out what the greatest

risk factor is. Of course the jab manufacturers would want us to believe that it

is anything but the MMR/other vaccines.

I think the MMR is a huge burden for the children when it comes to autism.

Ingrid

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[Guest guest]

My nephew was a c-section.

Sheri B.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Hi, Ingrid,

I have always been curious to know, statistically, how many autistic children

were born via ceserean. Nearly every mother I have spoken too, myself included,

underwent a c-section at the birth of their autistic child. Isn't that

interesting? Any moms of autisitic children care to share how your child was

born?

Anita

Ingrid Schebesch <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

BUT, what I would want to know is how many children who were born in

hspitals, had birth interventions etc., became autistic before the introduction

of the MMR .?

This would mean looking at the whole picture and finding out what the greatest

risk factor is. Of course the jab manufacturers would want us to believe that it

is anything but the MMR/other vaccines.

I think the MMR is a huge burden for the children when it comes to autism.

Ingrid

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[Guest guest]

The son of one of my former classmates in college has an autistic son born by

c-section. I have another childhood friend with an autistic son. I don't think

he was a c-section baby, but I'm not 100% sure. I DO know he started having

seizures after his toddler vaccinations.

Kay

Re: Autism and the perinatal period

My nephew was a c-section.

Sheri B.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Hi, Ingrid,

I have always been curious to know, statistically, how many autistic

children were born via ceserean. Nearly every mother I have spoken too, myself

included, underwent a c-section at the birth of their autistic child. Isn't that

interesting? Any moms of autisitic children care to share how your child was

born?

Anita

[Guest guest]

on 5/21/06 12:48 PM, Ingrid Schebesch at ingrid_schebesch@...

wrote:

>

>

> BUT, what I would want to know is how many children who were born in

> hspitals, had birth interventions etc., became autistic before the

> introduction of the MMR .?

> This would mean looking at the whole picture and finding out what the greatest

> risk factor is. Of course the jab manufacturers would want us to believe that

> it is anything but the MMR/other vaccines.

> I think the MMR is a huge burden for the children when it comes to autism.

> Ingrid

>

All four of my children were born by c-section. The first one is not

autistic, but we couldn¹t afford to give him his vaccines until he was two.

The second and third are autistic, their symptoms began almost immediately

after the first MMR at thirteen months. The fourth has not been vaccinated

and as we round the corner of her first year, she is developmentally

advanced, just like the first. Right after the birth of my first baby, the

hospital insisted that I have an MMR booster. I didn¹t have shot records

with me, and they didn¹t seem like they would let me leave without it. A few

years later, I read a study that implicated recent MMR vaccines in mothers

in the development of autism in children. The study recommended that mothers

wait at least five years after receiving this vaccine to have children.

A parallel in the dog world: my first chow puppy became very ill after her

first set of puppy boosters. Eventually, I took her to our state veterinary

school where I was told she had distemper. They said she must have been born

with a heavy viral load from her mother¹s vaccines and the vaccine I gave

her caused her to have full-blown distemper. She had to be put down.

Three of my autistic children¹s classmates were natural births, one at home.

--

New Braunfels, TX

cwehmeyer@...

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry if I missed it, , but did you say how your autistic children

were born?

Anita

Wehmeyer <cwehmeyer@...> wrote:

Three of my autistic children¹s classmates were natural births, one at home.

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cwehmeyer@...

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[Guest guest]

,

It's interesting that you mention you had the MMR booster. We feel sure that

my sister had to get an MMR booster to get into graduate school and her son was

born two years later. He has abnormally high rubella titres if I remember

correctly. One of them, anyway, is super high.

Sheri B.

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I've heard vaccum/suction births are bad as well. Anyone on this?

Sheri B.

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

The son of one of my former classmates in college has an autistic son born by

c-section. I have another childhood friend with an autistic son. I don't think

he was a c-section baby, but I'm not 100% sure. I DO know he started having

seizures after his toddler vaccinations.

Kay

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From the ones I witnessed when I worked as an OB nurse, I can't see how that

WOULD'T damage a poor child's brain. It's brutal to witness!

Kay

Re: Autism and the perinatal period

I've heard vaccum/suction births are bad as well. Anyone on this?

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

on 5/21/06 4:51 PM, Anita Durney at mydurney@... wrote:

> I'm sorry if I missed it, , but did you say how your autistic children

> were born?

>

> Anita

They were c-section. Actually all four of my kids were sections. The first

one was almost a vacuum, but they couldn¹t get him out. It¹s a wonder he

doesn¹t have brain damage.

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cwehmeyer@...

[Guest guest]

HI,

I am new here, and have been a bit busy since I have joined (went to see

Tony Attwood speak on Friday and had a private physio and OT assessment at the

house on Saturday) so haven't had a chance to introduce myself! But I thought

I had better quickly before I answer this.

I am , single parent (dad left when he found out that I was pregnant

but we are still married and involved, just not living under the same roof!)

to , age nine, Asperger's syndrome, and home educated. We live in the

UK but I am originally from Canada.

had his first three vaccinations but we stopped there. Not just

because of the link with autism, but because after looking into them I realised

that they don't work they way they would have us believe, and the stats that the

HV gave us on the MMR showed that there was a higher change of damage from

the MMR than damage from measles!

> I have always been curious to know, statistically, how many autistic

children were born via >ceserean. Nearly every mother I have spoken too, myself

included, underwent a c-section at >the birth of their autistic child. Isn't

that interesting? Any moms of autisitic children care to >share how your child

was born?

I didn't have a c-section, and is at the high end of the spectrum.

But he is fourth generation ASD! He is just like his father, grandfather, and

greatgrandfather, who was born in who was born in the late 1880s. And that

is just his dad's side of the family. There is high functioning autism on my

side of the family too!

I did have a very stressful pregnancy, and that may have come into it. But

is not high function autistic, or kanner's autistic, he is definately

asperger's, and I suspect that if he had continued to have vaccinations, or

had had a more traumatic birth it would have been different.

As Ingrid says there may be many risk factors. Nils Bergman's work has

found that babies left to cry and to sleep on their own at birth show perminate

brain damage to the amygdela which is the brain structure implicated in ASD.

As Tony Atwood says, there are many paths to autism.

cheers,

[Guest guest]

At 04:40 PM 5/21/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>on 5/21/06 12:48 PM, Ingrid Schebesch at ingrid_schebesch@...

>wrote:

>>

>>

>> BUT, what I would want to know is how many children who were born in

>> hspitals, had birth interventions etc., became autistic before the

>> introduction of the MMR .?

>> This would mean looking at the whole picture and finding out what the

greatest

>> risk factor is. Of course the jab manufacturers would want us to believe

that

>> it is anything but the MMR/other vaccines.

>> I think the MMR is a huge burden for the children when it comes to autism.

>> Ingrid

>>

>All four of my children were born by c-section. The first one is not

>autistic, but we couldn¹t afford to give him his vaccines until he was two.

>The second and third are autistic, their symptoms began almost immediately

>after the first MMR at thirteen months. The fourth has not been vaccinated

>and as we round the corner of her first year, she is developmentally

>advanced, just like the first. Right after the birth of my first baby, the

>hospital insisted that I have an MMR booster. I didn¹t have shot records

>with me, and they didn¹t seem like they would let me leave without it. A few

>years later, I read a study that implicated recent MMR vaccines in mothers

>in the development of autism in children. The study recommended that mothers

>wait at least five years after receiving this vaccine to have children.

Yes, this is definitely being looked at (by us) as a factor

Info on this by Dr. yazbak at http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/rubella.htm

>

>A parallel in the dog world: my first chow puppy became very ill after her

>first set of puppy boosters. Eventually, I took her to our state veterinary

>school where I was told she had distemper. They said she must have been born

>with a heavy viral load from her mother¹s vaccines and the vaccine I gave

>her caused her to have full-blown distemper. She had to be put down.

>

Oh goodness

>Three of my autistic children¹s classmates were natural births, one at home.

I would like more information on these.......................and other

issues. Antibiotics?

Vaccines in the mom? Mercury exposure elsewhere?

If they would email me that would be great, as I will eventually be trying

to put some of this together.

Sheri

>

>--

>

>New Braunfels, TX

>cwehmeyer@...

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jenn - nice to see you here! )

Sue

> HI,

>

> I am , single parent (dad left when he found out that I

> was pregnant

> but we are still married and involved, just not living under the

> same roof!)

> to , age nine, Asperger's syndrome, and home educated. We

> live in the

> UK but I am originally from Canada.

>

[Guest guest]

-Sheri,

thank you.

this would be such a worthwhile thing to do and I am sure M. Odent

would be interested too. It would shed more light on the complex

causes of autism. Just wait till the world's governments and Health

Dept. see it.

Ingrid

> I would like more information on these.......................and other

> issues. Antibiotics?

> Vaccines in the mom? Mercury exposure elsewhere?

>

> If they would email me that would be great, as I will eventually be

trying

> to put some of this together.

> Sheri

>

>

> >

> >--

> >

> >New Braunfels, TX

> >cwehmeyer@...

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

great to see you on this list. You will be a source of inspiration for

many.

Welcome.

Ingrid