Re: Re: a child died from measles in canada

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I had the car scenario given to me by a doctor as an argument FOR vaccinating,

too funny!

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From: " " <j-a-devoss@...>

I used the " driving in a car risk " thing when I told my ped why we

didn't want to vax. He was going on about the risks of the diseases,

blah, blah, blah. And, I said there is a great chance that I could

have an accident everytime I go somewhere in the car, but I still

drive. They don't ban driving?!?!

>

> Sue,

>

> I totally agree. We've never said on this group that there is no

danger from illness or that there are never complications. But I

think most people on here would agree that the risks of complications

from the mandated vaccines far outweigh the rare complications we

hear about from the actual disease.

>

> Interestingly enough, I was listening to NPR here in the States

at the time they broadcast their BBC news. There was a segment about

how driving (or riding in a car) in most third world countries is far

more dangerous than disease. I'll try to see if I can find a sound

bite on their web site to share.

>

> Sheri B.

>

[Guest guest]

Ok, so first I want to know, why is a nurse discussing a patient on a public

forum, is that even allowed? Second, she is giving secondhand information and

because she is discussing it in a forum where people may not even know who she

is, she could embellish some of the facts of the case. I would take what she

says about this with a grain of salt.

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From: " Sara " <nurturinghome@...>

that nurse I 'know' her from other group. I asked her if the child had

any underlying health issues and how did the mother try to treat him

before bringing him to emergency room. I didn't get answer for these

questions.

[Guest guest]

I figured she went to far and tried to pull back by not answering any questions

about " underlying issues. " Unfortunately, your right, Sara, her credibility is

shot.

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

Ok, so first I want to know, why is a nurse discussing a patient on a public

forum, is that even allowed? Second, she is giving secondhand information and

because she is discussing it in a forum where people may not even know who she

is, she could embellish some of the facts of the case. I would take what she

says about this with a grain of salt.

--

Sara

Find out what stinks in Genesee County!

http://geneseecountystinks.blogspot.com

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From: " Sara "

that nurse I 'know' her from other group. I asked her if the child had

any underlying health issues and how did the mother try to treat him

before bringing him to emergency room. I didn't get answer for these

questions.

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Wow Ingrid that is a horrible story! I'm sorry you had to go through all that

as a child. But your points are correct.

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Re: a child died from measles in canada

I did have measles too but I was 18 months too, arguably a difficult age too

to get it, as ususually children get it at an older age and this is when their

bodies can cope with it much better and there rarely are complications.

I have done some investigations into my own case and found out that my younger

sister was born around the time I got measles and that she had received the

measles vaccine plus I had been vaccinated with other vaccines not long before I

became ill (I have got my original vaccination records).

My mother only breasatfed me for 2 weeks. The maesles went into my lungs and

gave me pneumonia. This resulted in me getting lots and lots of penicilin, I

still remember the injections in both my thighs, every single day for a very

long time. My mum had to carry me to the nurse as my legs were too sore to walk

from all the punctures in my thighs... I get upset even thinking about this.

Anyway, I was four and had been in and out of hospital for 3 years ( I still

remember the noise of the ambulance to come and pick me up when I couldn't

breathe) and eventually my parents decided (on the doctors advice) to take my

tonsils out.

They did so, with no anesathetic, my dad and a nurse were holding my legs and

arms whilst this doctor was cutting my tonsils out, I was covered in blood. They

put a rubber apron on me and I was screaming my head off.

This was of course very traumatic for me and could all have been avoided NOT

by a vaccine but by breastfeeding (I am not blaming my mum, but the culture at

the time and the lack of support) and by proper managent and NO antibiotics.

The antibiotics discoulored my teeth ( to this day I have discoulored

teeth...) and gave me vaginal thrush plus candida and made me look bloated and

fat so that my friends made fun of me.

So, this is my long story about measles. When a child dies of Measles, you

need to ask a lot of questions. This 12 year old child should have gotten the

measles at a much earlier age, when the body is more likely to cope with it. WHY

did he not get them? Because it is no longer around in enough numbers for

children to get at that appropriate age as they all get the vaccine.

The same goes for Rubella, children don't naturally get it any more and then

girls are not natuarally immune any more when they reach child bearing age and

get the vaccine before becoming pregnant and we all know what this can do to a

developing foetus. There is sooo much that you don't get told when a child dies

from meases. You really need to look very deeply to get all the answers. And no,

vaccines are NEVER the answer!!!

In a way I am glad I got the Measles as it made me strong and prevented me

from developing allergies.

I am very healthy now except candida, which is hard to get rid off for me, but

I blame myself as well for eating too much bread...

I am glad I can share my story with you, it is personal but I think it helps

to know some personal stories to learn more about this very important issue.

Love to you all,

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Ingrid,

I really sympathize... I had my tonsils and adenoids cut out the same way when I

was 6. They wouldn't even let my parents in with me... I still remember how

scary and painful this was!!!

Olga

Re: a child died from measles in canada

I did have measles too but I was 18 months too, arguably a difficult age too

to get it, as ususually children get it at an older age and this is when their

bodies can cope with it much better and there rarely are complications.

I have done some investigations into my own case and found out that my younger

sister was born around the time I got measles and that she had received the

measles vaccine plus I had been vaccinated with other vaccines not long before I

became ill (I have got my original vaccination records).

My mother only breasatfed me for 2 weeks. The maesles went into my lungs and

gave me pneumonia. This resulted in me getting lots and lots of penicilin, I

still remember the injections in both my thighs, every single day for a very

long time. My mum had to carry me to the nurse as my legs were too sore to walk

from all the punctures in my thighs... I get upset even thinking about this.

Anyway, I was four and had been in and out of hospital for 3 years ( I still

remember the noise of the ambulance to come and pick me up when I couldn't

breathe) and eventually my parents decided (on the doctors advice) to take my

tonsils out.

They did so, with no anesathetic, my dad and a nurse were holding my legs and

arms whilst this doctor was cutting my tonsils out, I was covered in blood. They

put a rubber apron on me and I was screaming my head off.

This was of course very traumatic for me and could all have been avoided NOT

by a vaccine but by breastfeeding (I am not blaming my mum, but the culture at

the time and the lack of support) and by proper managent and NO antibiotics.

The antibiotics discoulored my teeth ( to this day I have discoulored

teeth...) and gave me vaginal thrush plus candida and made me look bloated and

fat so that my friends made fun of me.

So, this is my long story about measles. When a child dies of Measles, you

need to ask a lot of questions. This 12 year old child should have gotten the

measles at a much earlier age, when the body is more likely to cope with it. WHY

did he not get them? Because it is no longer around in enough numbers for

children to get at that appropriate age as they all get the vaccine.

The same goes for Rubella, children don't naturally get it any more and then

girls are not natuarally immune any more when they reach child bearing age and

get the vaccine before becoming pregnant and we all know what this can do to a

developing foetus. There is sooo much that you don't get told when a child dies

from meases. You really need to look very deeply to get all the answers. And no,

vaccines are NEVER the answer!!!

In a way I am glad I got the Measles as it made me strong and prevented me

from developing allergies.

I am very healthy now except candida, which is hard to get rid off for me, but

I blame myself as well for eating too much bread...

I am glad I can share my story with you, it is personal but I think it helps

to know some personal stories to learn more about this very important issue.

Love to you all,

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

Man, that story gave me chills. Why in the world would they take your

tonsils out without anesthesia???!!!!!

I wouldn't feel too bad about the candida problem. I was on the Atkins

diet for awhile, and one things Dr. Atkins says in his book is that

candidiasis (systemic yeast infection) is more common than you would

think. I see a woman who uses applied kinesiology to locate organs and

systems in the body that aren't functioning well. This is the second

time she's found yeast in me (this time from penicillin given in labor

and antibiotics to stave off infection after my c-section), and I'm on

a regimen with vitamins to get rid of the yeast. However, I am

suffering this time from thrush of the nipples, which is making

breastfeeding horrible. In addition to seeing her, and trying

anti-fungal meds (through my midwives), I have been scouring the

Internet looking for treatments to get rid of thrush, which can be very

difficult to get rid of. There are all kinds of things you can do

systemically to help get rid of yeast. I realize you have been

struggling with yeast your entire life, and there probably isn't an

easy solution, but if you look up " thrush treatments " or " thrush

nipple " online, you will find some websites with lot of information

about getting rid of yeast in general. Taking acidophilus tablets, for

example, is a good way to start balancing out the organisms in your

body.

By the way, apparently having yeast makes you CRAVE sugar and bread, so

don't beat yourself up for eating bread. In fact, don't beat yourself

up at all. I hope you will be able to find some things to help you get

over your yeast problem.

And thanks for sharing your story about measles. Take care, -Angie

On Saturday, June 10, 2006, at 04:50 AM, Ingrid Schebesch wrote:

> I did have measles too but I was 18 months too, arguably a difficult

> age too to get it, as ususually children get it at an older age and

> this is when their bodies can cope with it much better and there

> rarely are complications.

>

> I have done some investigations into my own case and found out that my

> younger sister was born around the time I got measles and that she had

> received the measles vaccine plus I had been vaccinated with other

> vaccines not long before I became ill (I have got my original

> vaccination records).

>

> My mother only breasatfed me for 2 weeks. The maesles went into my

> lungs and gave me pneumonia. This resulted in me getting lots and lots

> of penicilin, I still remember the injections in both my thighs, every

> single day for a very long time. My mum had to carry me to the nurse

> as my legs were too sore to walk from all the punctures in my

> thighs... I get upset even thinking about this.

>

> Anyway, I was four and had been in and out of hospital for 3 years ( I

> still remember the noise of the ambulance to come and pick me up when

> I couldn't breathe) and eventually my parents decided (on the doctors

> advice) to take my tonsils out.

> They did so, with no anesathetic, my dad and a nurse were holding my

> legs and arms whilst this doctor was cutting my tonsils out, I was

> covered in blood. They put a rubber apron on me and I was screaming my

> head off.

>

> This was of course very traumatic for me and could all have been

> avoided NOT by a vaccine but by breastfeeding (I am not blaming my

> mum, but the culture at the time and the lack of support) and by

> proper managent and NO antibiotics.

> The antibiotics discoulored my teeth ( to this day I have discoulored

> teeth...) and gave me vaginal thrush plus candida and made me look

> bloated and fat so that my friends made fun of me.

>

> So, this is my long story about measles. When a child dies of Measles,

> you need to ask a lot of questions. This 12 year old child should have

> gotten the measles at a much earlier age, when the body is more likely

> to cope with it. WHY did he not get them? Because it is no longer

> around in enough numbers for children to get at that appropriate age

> as they all get the vaccine.

>

> The same goes for Rubella, children don't naturally get it any more

> and then girls are not natuarally immune any more when they reach

> child bearing age and get the vaccine before becoming pregnant and we

> all know what this can do to a developing foetus. There is sooo much

> that you don't get told when a child dies from meases. You really need

> to look very deeply to get all the answers. And no, vaccines are NEVER

> the answer!!!

>

> In a way I am glad I got the Measles as it made me strong and

> prevented me from developing allergies.

> I am very healthy now except candida, which is hard to get rid off for

> me, but I blame myself as well for eating too much bread...

>

> I am glad I can share my story with you, it is personal but I think it

> helps to know some personal stories to learn more about this very

> important issue.

>

> Love to you all,

> Ingrid

>

>

[Guest guest]

If it were my child, I would completely avoid ANY form of allopathic treatment

and seek homeopathic support. I think higher than normal doses of vitamin A

would be helpful too. That's for the measles, Sue and Kay...right?

Anita

Sara <saragubits@...> wrote:

if a child gets it at age 12,what can be done to protect from

complications?

[Guest guest]

Yes, that's what Sheri N. has mentioned, too (the Vit A and of course

homeopathy).

Kay

Re: Re: a child died from measles in canada

If it were my child, I would completely avoid ANY form of allopathic

treatment and seek homeopathic support. I think higher than normal doses of

vitamin A would be helpful too. That's for the measles, Sue and Kay...right?

Anita

Sara <saragubits@...> wrote:

if a child gets it at age 12,what can be done to protect from

complications?

[Guest guest]

Abuse has been going on against children for eons. My dad grew up in foster

homes and a children's home in the US in the 40s and 50s. Some of the stuff

he used to tell us that happened to him and the other kids there used to

make me sick to my stomach! And I'm certain he didn't tell us the worst of

it either. What he told us was horrible enough, though. People did it

because they got away with it. Children in past generations were often

considered sub-class citizens.

My parents both had their tonsils removed as teens while they were awake

(one in the US and the other in Germany). I THINK they had some anesthetic

to numb the area at least though... So I guess things were slowly

progressing at that point (late 50s)!

Kay

Re: a child died from measles in canada

ingrid and Olga, isn't it abusive? why do 'they' do this to children?!

it enraged and shocked me to read this so much until I couldn't

respond and symphatize with you.

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I'm not buying it. This " nurse " can say anything she wants. Who

knows who she really is? And IF what she is saying holds any truth to it,

what OTHER modalities did this mother use before/after consulting the

" homeopaths " ? There is just too much speculation in this case.. What was

this child's diet like? Was he on any medications before getting ill?

What were the credentials of the " homeopaths " ? Anyone can hang a shingle on

their front door claiming to be one.

My point is the public will never know the whole story. Do people die from

childhood diseases? Certainly. But again, we don't know the whole

situation. The chances of a truly healthy, robust, individual succumbing to

such diseases I would wager is quite slim.

Kay

Re: a child died from measles in canada

>

> Yes, that's what Sheri N. has mentioned, too (the Vit A and of course

> homeopathy).

>

> Kay

the nurse replied saying the mother took her sick child to 2 differnt

homeopaths in the week he was sick. they said his high fever is 'good'

for him which shows his body is fighting against the disease. So from

her story it seemingly the homeopaths didn't help her child. Again I

don't know if they were classical homeopaths.. still not enough info!