Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

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My son had shingles last summer when he was 13. Several people I talked to at

that time said they were noticing an increase of shingles in the kids at school.

I agree... it's only a matter of time before they push the shingles vax on

children, too. Here's your shot against chicken pox and here's another one to

counteract the shingles you may get from the chicken pox vax!

Insanity.

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

Notice how their not giving the age group for the other half afflicted with

the shingles. This frightens me too because I know they will eventually include

children as well, but for now they are addressing the elderly; a good test group

to start with. Given time, this will be a mandatory childhood vaccine after

which we will see yet another rise in another disease to develope yet another

vaccine.

Anita

[Guest guest]

After speaking with Dr.Carley about this, I was reminded that:

Shingles is caused by chicken pox virus which has not been eliminated from the

body...so their answer is to inject more virus which will not be able to be

eliminated from the body!

I think I am in error for blaming all cases of the shingles on the chicken pox

vaccine. The elderly who have never had the cp vaccine who go on to develop

shingles have not entirely eliminated the natural chicken pox virus they once

had. My mother had the shingles 30 years ago and was told by her doctor that she

was exposed to someone with the chicken pox; her immune system was a wreck when

this happened. At that time, only the elderly were afflicted. Am I

understanding this correctly?

In the case of children getting the shingles...well... I think the writing is

on the wall.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

My son had shingles last summer when he was 13. Several people I talked to at

that time said they were noticing an increase of shingles in the kids at school.

I agree... it's only a matter of time before they push the shingles vax on

children, too. Here's your shot against chicken pox and here's another one to

counteract the shingles you may get from the chicken pox vax!

Insanity.

Kay

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A light bulb just went off (I think). The shingles can only be activated in a

person who has already had the cp (naturally or vaccine aquired) by being

exposed to a person with cp. Due to the lack of natural cp virus these days, it

must be caused by the shedding of the mutant vaccine version of cp. So shingles

in the elderly are to occur either way.

In the case of the elderly, I'd like to know what makes the shingles aquired

from a vaccinated shedding any different or worse than the shingles previously

aquired through natural exposure?

Bear with me, Kay. Lately, I've been doubting what I think I know about this.

Thanks,

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

My son had shingles last summer when he was 13. Several people I talked to at

that time said they were noticing an increase of shingles in the kids at school.

I agree... it's only a matter of time before they push the shingles vax on

children, too. Here's your shot against chicken pox and here's another one to

counteract the shingles you may get from the chicken pox vax!

Insanity.

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

Notice how their not giving the age group for the other half afflicted with

the shingles. This frightens me too because I know they will eventually include

children as well, but for now they are addressing the elderly; a good test group

to start with. Given time, this will be a mandatory childhood vaccine after

which we will see yet another rise in another disease to develope yet another

vaccine.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp vax:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease, children

and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune systems that they

received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says S. Goldman, Ph.D.,

author of the study and former research analyst with VASP. " Due to the dramatic

decline in chickenpox, children are now experiencing a higher incidence of

shingles. "

Does that help any, Anita?

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

A light bulb just went off (I think). The shingles can only be activated in a

person who has already had the cp (naturally or vaccine aquired) by being

exposed to a person with cp. Due to the lack of natural cp virus these days, it

must be caused by the shedding of the mutant vaccine version of cp. So shingles

in the elderly are to occur either way.

In the case of the elderly, I'd like to know what makes the shingles aquired

from a vaccinated shedding any different or worse than the shingles previously

aquired through natural exposure?

Bear with me, Kay. Lately, I've been doubting what I think I know about

this.

Thanks,

Anita

[Guest guest]

At 09:11 AM 5/27/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp

vax: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

>

>The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease,

children and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune

systems that they received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says

S. Goldman, Ph.D., author of the study and former research analyst

with VASP. " Due to the dramatic decline in chickenpox, children are now

experiencing a higher incidence of shingles. "

>

>Does that help any, Anita?

>

>Kay

All on my webpage ;-)

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/chickenpox.htm>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, that's where I found it.

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

At 09:11 AM 5/27/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp

vax: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

>

>The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease,

children and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune

systems that they received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says

S. Goldman, Ph.D., author of the study and former research analyst

with VASP. " Due to the dramatic decline in chickenpox, children are now

experiencing a higher incidence of shingles. "

>

>Does that help any, Anita?

>

>Kay

All on my webpage ;-)

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/chickenpox.htm>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

[Guest guest]

Yes, that does help, Kay, but I'm terribly STUCK with the idea that if the cp

vaccine is eliminating the cp disease, how are so many adults still getting the

shingles if they are no longer subject to periodic exposure to the disease they

once were before the vaccine?

Even though exposures to cp disease provide a natural immune boost, aren't

these same exposures the cause of the shingles in an immune compromised elder?

If not from the cp disease that is being eliminated by the vaccine, what then is

responsible for activating the shingles in the elderly? Shedding is all I can

think of.

I aplogize if it seems I am talking in circles. I will read what you and Sheri

N. send and try to figure it out. Thanks so much for the info.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp vax:

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease, children

and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune systems that they

received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says S. Goldman, Ph.D.,

author of the study and former research analyst with VASP. " Due to the dramatic

decline in chickenpox, children are now experiencing a higher incidence of

shingles. "

Does that help any, Anita?

Kay

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At 06:58 AM 5/27/2006 -0700, you wrote:

>Yes, that does help, Kay, but I'm terribly STUCK with the idea that if

the cp vaccine is eliminating the cp disease, how are so many adults still

getting the shingles if they are no longer subject to periodic exposure to

the disease they once were before the vaccine?

>

> Even though exposures to cp disease provide a natural immune boost,

aren't these same exposures the cause of the shingles in an immune

compromised elder? If not from the cp disease that is being eliminated by

the vaccine, what then is responsible for activating the shingles in the

elderly? Shedding is all I can think of.

>

> I aplogize if it seems I am talking in circles. I will read what you and

Sheri N. send and try to figure it out. Thanks so much for the info.

>

> Anita

>

>

>Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

> Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp

vax: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

>

>The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease,

children and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune

systems that they received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says

S. Goldman, Ph.D., author of the study and former research analyst

with VASP. " Due to the dramatic decline in chickenpox, children are now

experiencing a higher incidence of shingles. "

>

>Does that help any, Anita?

>

>Kay

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It is my understanding that you can get shingles without being exposed to

chicken pox at that time. You have to have had chicken pox in your life

time, but shingles can be activated just purely by a weakened immune system.

Most people who get shingles, who are not kids or elderly, get it when they

are severely stressed and their immune system is weak.

C

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Subject: Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

Yes, that does help, Kay, but I'm terribly STUCK with the idea that if the

cp vaccine is eliminating the cp disease, how are so many adults still

getting the shingles if they are no longer subject to periodic exposure to

the disease they once were before the vaccine?

Even though exposures to cp disease provide a natural immune boost, aren't

these same exposures the cause of the shingles in an immune compromised

elder? If not from the cp disease that is being eliminated by the vaccine,

what then is responsible for activating the shingles in the elderly?

Shedding is all I can think of.

I aplogize if it seems I am talking in circles. I will read what you and

Sheri N. send and try to figure it out. Thanks so much for the info.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Check out this article about the rise in shingles being tied to the cp

vax: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2003/10/prweb83848.php

The writer says Because the vaccine is eliminating chickenpox disease,

children and adults no longer receive the natural boost to their immune

systems that they received from periodic exposures to the disease, " says

S. Goldman, Ph.D., author of the study and former research analyst with

VASP. " Due to the dramatic decline in chickenpox, children are now

experiencing a higher incidence of shingles. "

Does that help any, Anita?

Kay

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Good point, . As far as we know, my son wasn't exposed to anyone with

chicken pox before he had shingles. But his immune system was a mess at that

time. We were with a homeopath that apparently didn't know quite what she was

doing, and he was staying sick constantly.

We switched homeopaths when the shingles hit, and his health has been MUCH

better this past year. Homeopathy in the wrong hands CAN be a dangerous thing!

So, yes, I think it has much to do with the individual's terrain at the time.

If our immune system is functioning properly, illness isn't an issue.

Kay

RE: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

It is my understanding that you can get shingles without being exposed to

chicken pox at that time. You have to have had chicken pox in your life

time, but shingles can be activated just purely by a weakened immune system.

Most people who get shingles, who are not kids or elderly, get it when they

are severely stressed and their immune system is weak.

C

[Guest guest]

That was the missing information I needed to understand how reactivation is

possible without cp exposure. Thankyou, C; this changes everything.

So, Kay, are you saying that reactivation of the shingles due to any cause

would be diminished if there were more cp disease exposures to build immunity.

If so, this I can make sense of. The other version I was stuck with just didn't

jibe.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Good point, . As far as we know, my son wasn't exposed to anyone with

chicken pox before he had shingles. But his immune system was a mess at that

time. We were with a homeopath that apparently didn't know quite what she was

doing, and he was staying sick constantly.

We switched homeopaths when the shingles hit, and his health has been MUCH

better this past year. Homeopathy in the wrong hands CAN be a dangerous thing!

So, yes, I think it has much to do with the individual's terrain at the time.

If our immune system is functioning properly, illness isn't an issue.

Kay

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Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines, was

for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp. As we age, we

generally have less exposure to children, and thus less exposure to cp, so the

risk of shingles increases. Now with fewer children getting acute cases of cp,

that exposure has diminished for all of us.

And the elderly are typically less healthy because by then they've been so

entrenched in the medical system and on multiple drugs for various things.

Their immune systems aren't up to par and that contributes to succumbing to any

illness.

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

So, Kay, are you saying that reactivation of the shingles due to any cause

would be diminished if there were more cp disease exposures to build immunity.

If so, this I can make sense of. The other version I was stuck with just didn't

jibe.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Wonderful!! Now I can stop wondering about this and focus on something else I

don't understand. ;~) Thank you, Kay.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines, was

for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp. As we age, we

generally have less exposure to children, and thus less exposure to cp, so the

risk of shingles increases. Now with fewer children getting acute cases of cp,

that exposure has diminished for all of us.

And the elderly are typically less healthy because by then they've been so

entrenched in the medical system and on multiple drugs for various things.

Their immune systems aren't up to par and that contributes to succumbing to any

illness.

Kay

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At 11:33 AM 5/27/2006 -0400, you wrote:

>Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines,

was for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp. As we

age, we generally have less exposure to children, and thus less exposure to

cp, so the risk of shingles increases. Now with fewer children getting

acute cases of cp, that exposure has diminished for all of us.

>

>And the elderly are typically less healthy because by then they've been so

entrenched in the medical system and on multiple drugs for various things.

Their immune systems aren't up to par and that contributes to succumbing to

any illness.

>

>Kay

very well put, Kay.

I am seeing more and more in children and in young adults (that weren't

vaccinated). I have one patient who is pregnant and has shingles. It is a

very strong sign of immune system problems.

Sheri

> Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

>

>

> So, Kay, are you saying that reactivation of the shingles due to any

cause would be diminished if there were more cp disease exposures to build

immunity. If so, this I can make sense of. The other version I was stuck

with just didn't jibe.

>

> Anita

>>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

You're very welcome. Actually I finally understood this after reading that

article I referred you to, which came from Sheri N's website, and other info on

shingles.

Sheri has a wealth of wonderful information there on her site. If you have

questions, I highly recommend starting there first:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

All the best,

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

Wonderful!! Now I can stop wondering about this and focus on something else I

don't understand. ;~) Thank you, Kay.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines,

was for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp. As we age, we

generally have less exposure to children, and thus less exposure to cp, so the

risk of shingles increases. Now with fewer children getting acute cases of cp,

that exposure has diminished for all of us.

And the elderly are typically less healthy because by then they've been so

entrenched in the medical system and on multiple drugs for various things.

Their immune systems aren't up to par and that contributes to succumbing to any

illness.

Kay

[Guest guest]

I'm glad we learned something together, Kay. I will remember to refer to Sheri

N.'s website when in doubt.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

You're very welcome. Actually I finally understood this after reading that

article I referred you to, which came from Sheri N's website, and other info on

shingles.

Sheri has a wealth of wonderful information there on her site. If you have

questions, I highly recommend starting there first:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

All the best,

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

Wonderful!! Now I can stop wondering about this and focus on something else I

don't understand. ;~) Thank you, Kay.

Anita

Kay <dr-ky@...> wrote:

Yes, the natural order of things BEFORE man's interference with vaccines,

was for shingles to remain in check with repeated exposure to cp. As we age, we

generally have less exposure to children, and thus less exposure to cp, so the

risk of shingles increases. Now with fewer children getting acute cases of cp,

that exposure has diminished for all of us.

And the elderly are typically less healthy because by then they've been so

entrenched in the medical system and on multiple drugs for various things.

Their immune systems aren't up to par and that contributes to succumbing to any

illness.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Yes, the more I learn, the more I learn there is so much MORE to learn! LOL

I've got Sheri's site bookmarked in my favorites because I, too, often forget to

look there for answers.

Kay

Re: FDA approves Merck vaccine to prevent shingles

I'm glad we learned something together, Kay. I will remember to refer to Sheri

N.'s website when in doubt.

Anita