Re: Re: Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

[Guest guest]

Was this an American or Canadian publication?

Sheri B.

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote:

You got me on this one Sara. It doesn't cost a school one way or the other if

a child is vaccinated or not.

From: " Sara " SaraShaughnessy@...

Date: Wed May 3, 2006 5:35am(PDT)

Subject: Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

I was told by the Director of the NYS Vaccination Program in Albany that it is a

matter of record keeping in case the schools should be audited; nothing more.

I'm glad to hear there are no incentives. The way things are, one can't help

but wonder.

Anita

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote:

You got me on this one Sara. It doesn't cost a school one way or the other if

a child is vaccinated or not.

From: " Sara " SaraShaughnessy@...

Date: Wed May 3, 2006 5:35am(PDT)

Subject: Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

I recently had someone tell me that the school gets so much money for every

child that is up to date on vaxxes.

Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

>

> I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> an abstract:

>

> State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> convenience. "

>

>

> I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> who do not vaccinate?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

- did that person happen to tell you where this money is coming from?

Anita

Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote:

I recently had someone tell me that the school gets so much money for every

child that is up to date on vaxxes.

Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

>

> I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> an abstract:

>

> State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> convenience. "

>

>

> I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> who do not vaccinate?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, I had heard that too, that is why this didn't make any sense at all! The

schools are always giving people a hard time for not vaccinating.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

>

> I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> an abstract:

>

> State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> convenience. "

>

>

> I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> who do not vaccinate?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think that I remember reading something somewhere about how schools lose

funding if their vaccination rates fall below a certain percentage.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

no, I was just told that schools get money for each child up to date on

vaxxes and that is why they would probably give me some problems because my

unvaxxed child would keep them from getting money. He said that the school

nurses are like little militant police running around the schools.

Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

>

> I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> an abstract:

>

> State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> convenience. "

>

>

> I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> who do not vaccinate?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

United states! It was from The University Of Michigan Journal of Law Reform. U

of M is a highly respected university (I am not just saying that because I am a

student there), so it surprises me that they would print something that isn't

true. I included information about where to find the article and the abstract.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

Title:Vanishing vaccinations: why are so many Americans opting out of

vaccinating their children?

Source:University of Michigan journal of law reform. University of Michigan. Law

School. (Univ Mich J Law Reform) 2004 Winter; 37(2): 353-440

Additional Info: United States

Standard No:ISSN: 0363-602X (Print); NLM Unique Journal Identifier: 100972480

Language:English

Abstract:Vaccinations against life-threatening diseases are one of the greatest

public health achievements in history. Literally millions of premature deaths

have been prevented, and countless more children have been saved from

disfiguring illness. While vaccinations carry unavoidable risks, the medical,

social and economic benefits they confer have led all fifty states to enact

compulsory childhood vaccination laws to stop the spread of preventable

diseases. Today, however, vaccines are becoming a victim of their success--many

individuals have never witnessed the debilitating diseases that vaccines protect

against, allowing complacency toward immunization requirements to build.

Antivaccination sentiment is growing fast in the United States, in large part

due to the controversial and hotly disputed link between immunizations and

autism. The internet worsens fears regarding vaccination safety, as at least a

dozen websites publish alarming information about the risks of vaccines. Inc

reasing numbers of parents are refusing immunizations for their children and

seeking legally sanctioned exemptions instead, apparently fearing vaccines more

than the underlying diseases that they protect against. A variety of factors are

at play: religious and philosophical beliefs, freedom and individualism,

misinformation about risk, and overperception of risk. State legislatures and

health departments now face a difficult challenge: respecting individual rights

and freedoms while also safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow

vaccination exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number provide

" philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a handful of

jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented or verified. Often, the

law requires a parent to do no more than simply check a box indicating she does

not wish her child to receive immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by

financial incentives schools have to encourage students to opt out of

vaccinations. The rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern,

with many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of convenience. " In

some areas, nearly one out of five children have not received their recommended

vaccines. The consequences are serious not only for those unprotected children,

but for the rest of society as well. " Herd immunity " is threatened as more and

more parents free ride off of the community's dwindling immunity, and outbreaks

of diseases thought to have been conquered have already occurred. Lawsuits

against vaccine manufacturers threaten them with bankruptcy, costs are being

externalized onto the healthcare and legal systems, and vulnerable populations

are suffering harm or even death. In the interests of social welfare, state

legislatures and health departments should consider methods to ensure that the

exemption process is carefully tailored to prevent check-the-box opt-outs of

convenience, while still allowing exemptions for thos

e with earnest and informed convictions or medical reasons.

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

http://www.mercola.com/2001/sep/26/non-immunization.htm

I did a search on it and found the above link to Mercola's site, it looks like

schools lose money if their vaccination rates fall below 90%. It looks like

that guy was way wrong.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

>

> I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> an abstract:

>

> State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> convenience. "

>

>

> I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> who do not vaccinate?

>

> Sara

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Losing funds is other side of incentives. Now that you mention it, I'm sure I've

heard or read that somewhere too.

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

I think that I remember reading something somewhere about how schools lose

funding if their vaccination rates fall below a certain percentage.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

It definitely explains why some schools put on the pressure

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

an abstract:

State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

convenience. "

I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

who do not vaccinate?

Sara

[Guest guest]

At our son's kindergarten roundup recently, the school nurse spoke and the first

thing out of her mouth was " THE most IMPORTANT thing for your child when he

comes to school is to be up to date on his immunizations! If you don't show me

they are up to date, then I will send them home! " to which my husband and I

looked at each other and rolled our eyes.

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

It definitely explains why some schools put on the pressure

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

Momma to Noah (2/16/01), (7/10/02), & Grayson (10/7/05)

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That and I think the importance of herd immunity that they believe in so deeply.

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

It definitely explains why some schools put on the pressure

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

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From: Anita Durney <mydurney@...>

Losing funds is other side of incentives. Now that you mention it, I'm sure I've

heard or read that somewhere too.

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

I think that I remember reading something somewhere about how schools lose

funding if their vaccination rates fall below a certain percentage.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Anita Durney <mydurney@...>

I was told by the Director of the NYS Vaccination Program in Albany that it is a

matter of record keeping in case the schools should be audited; nothing more.

I'm glad to hear there are no incentives. The way things are, one can't help

but wonder.

Anita

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote:

You got me on this one Sara. It doesn't cost a school one way or the other if

a child is vaccinated or not.

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[Guest guest]

Bullies like her are the ones who take the truth about " mandatory " vaccinations

the hardest. Have fun with it.

Anita

<jsprecourt@...> wrote:

At our son's kindergarten roundup recently, the school nurse spoke and the

first thing out of her mouth was " THE most IMPORTANT thing for your child when

he comes to school is to be up to date on his immunizations! If you don't show

me they are up to date, then I will send them home! " to which my husband and I

looked at each other and rolled our eyes.

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

It definitely explains why some schools put on the pressure

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

Momma to Noah (2/16/01), (7/10/02), & Grayson (10/7/05)

http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

The wording on that site sounds to me like they do not lose the money if the

children are (A) vaxxed or ( have an exemption. It sounds like they are

not getting the money because children are attending school and have neither

Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

> >

> > I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> > newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> > an abstract:

> >

> > State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> > challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> > safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> > exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> > provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> > handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> > or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> > simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> > immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> > schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> > rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> > many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> > convenience. "

> >

> >

> > I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> > incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> > who do not vaccinate?

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Which is what I think from the NYS Vaccinations Program in Albany

was saying. Every child must be on record as vaxed or unvaxed with an exemption

for auditing purposes and good record keeping for statistic purposes too I would

guess. You can't just flounder undecided.

Anita

Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote:

The wording on that site sounds to me like they do not lose the money if the

children are (A) vaxxed or ( have an exemption. It sounds like they are

not getting the money because children are attending school and have neither

Incentives for children to opt out of vaccines??

> >

> > I was doing some research, trying to find some information for my

> > newly pregnant sister about vaccines, and came across this section of

> > an abstract:

> >

> > State legislatures and health departments now face a difficult

> > challenge: respecting individual rights and freedoms while also

> > safeguarding the public welfare. Nearly all states allow vaccination

> > exemptions for religious reasons and a growing number

> > provide " philosophical " opt-outs as well. However, in all but a

> > handful of jurisdictions, neither objection is seriously documented

> > or verified. Often, the law requires a parent to do no more than

> > simply check a box indicating she does not wish her child to receive

> > immunizations. The problem is exacerbated by financial incentives

> > schools have to encourage students to opt out of vaccinations. The

> > rise in parents opting out has caused the AMA grave concern, with

> > many experts decrying the rise of so-called " exemptions of

> > convenience. "

> >

> >

> > I thought that it was the other way around with the fiancial

> > incentives? Is this just some attempt to get people angry at those

> > who do not vaccinate?

> >

> > Sara

> >

> >

> >

> >