RE: Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

[Guest guest]

traveling community?

Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of

MMR

> Media and medics will have a field day with this one! They will ignore

" He

> was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted

measles

> and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

> received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

> system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. "

>

> However, if this boy died of an infection of the CNS (brain/spinal

> cord/meninges) caused by a reaction to the measles virus, how can they

fail

> to accept that the live measles virus in the MMR jab can kill too?

>

> Sue

>

>

> http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece

>

> Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

> By Ian Herbert

> Published: 04 April 2006

>

> Doctors re-emphasised the importance of the measles, mumps and rubella

(MMR)

> vaccine after a resurgence in cases including the death of a teenager, the

> first in the UK in 14 years.

>

> The victim, a boy aged 13, was part of a travelling community that had

> recently arrived in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, from southern England.

He

> was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted

measles

> and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

> received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

> system caused by a reaction to the measles virus.

>

> Immunisation rates in Britain are among the lowest in western Europe after

> fears were raised of a link between MMR and autism in a paper published in

> The Lancet in 1998. A more recent study in the same journal concluded that

> there was no evidence of a link. But eight years on, only 81 per cent of

> children have the MMR jab before they are two. The World Health

Organisation

> recommends 95 per cent coverage to prevent outbreaks.

>

> One hundred people have caught measles in Britain in the first three

months

> of this year, compared with 76 in the whole of 2005. The worst outbreak

has

> been in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, where 32 children have confirmed cases

> and a further 36 are being investigated.

>

> The first Doncaster infections developed among children at a playgroup who

> are less than a year old and therefore too young to have had the MMR jab.

> The disease has now spread to older children and to neighbouring areas.

>

> The outbreaks in Doncaster and in the travelling communities have

> contributed to the rise in cases but the Health Protection Agency and

> Department of Health said the increase was not a result of the low take-up

> of the MMR vaccine.

>

> The HPA said travelling communities were more likely to contract measles

> because they traditionally had less contact with local health services and

> were therefore less likely to be vaccinated.

>

> The boy in Rochdale died last month, and 34 children who were in contact

> with him have been vaccinated. An HPA spokesman, Hugh Lamont, said: " The

> disease was contracted in the south and he had not attended school

locally,

> so there is no reason for concern in the local community. "

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gypsies, travellers....do you not have anything similar in the US? Can't

think what the nearest analogy might be for you. Folk who just roam the

countryside, never settling. Mostly live in camper vans, tents, old

buses....

There are a lot in the UK.

Sue

>

> traveling community?

>

>

> Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of

> MMR

>

>

> > Media and medics will have a field day with this one! They will ignore

> " He

> > was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted

> measles

> > and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

> > received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

> > system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. "

> >

> > However, if this boy died of an infection of the CNS (brain/spinal

> > cord/meninges) caused by a reaction to the measles virus, how can they

> fail

> > to accept that the live measles virus in the MMR jab can kill too?

> >

> > Sue

> >

> >

> > http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece

> >

> > Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

> > By Ian Herbert

> > Published: 04 April 2006

> >

> > Doctors re-emphasised the importance of the measles, mumps and rubella

> (MMR)

> > vaccine after a resurgence in cases including the death of a

> teenager, the

> > first in the UK in 14 years.

> >

> > The victim, a boy aged 13, was part of a travelling community that had

> > recently arrived in Rochdale, Greater Manchester, from southern England.

> He

> > was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted

> measles

> > and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

> > received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

> > system caused by a reaction to the measles virus.

> >

> > Immunisation rates in Britain are among the lowest in western

> Europe after

> > fears were raised of a link between MMR and autism in a paper

> published in

> > The Lancet in 1998. A more recent study in the same journal

> concluded that

> > there was no evidence of a link. But eight years on, only 81 per cent of

> > children have the MMR jab before they are two. The World Health

> Organisation

> > recommends 95 per cent coverage to prevent outbreaks.

> >

> > One hundred people have caught measles in Britain in the first three

> months

> > of this year, compared with 76 in the whole of 2005. The worst outbreak

> has

> > been in Doncaster, South Yorkshire, where 32 children have

> confirmed cases

> > and a further 36 are being investigated.

> >

> > The first Doncaster infections developed among children at a

> playgroup who

> > are less than a year old and therefore too young to have had

> the MMR jab.

> > The disease has now spread to older children and to neighbouring areas.

> >

> > The outbreaks in Doncaster and in the travelling communities have

> > contributed to the rise in cases but the Health Protection Agency and

> > Department of Health said the increase was not a result of the

> low take-up

> > of the MMR vaccine.

> >

> > The HPA said travelling communities were more likely to contract measles

> > because they traditionally had less contact with local health

> services and

> > were therefore less likely to be vaccinated.

> >

> > The boy in Rochdale died last month, and 34 children who were in contact

> > with him have been vaccinated. An HPA spokesman, Hugh Lamont, said: " The

> > disease was contracted in the south and he had not attended school

> locally,

> > so there is no reason for concern in the local community. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hello Sue and others,

Please note: There is no " measles virus " . See article (in 2001)

by Stefan Lanka at:

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

One thing which the doctors absolutely will not tell you.

Rolf M.

At 16:03 2006-04-04 +0800, you (<mum2mishka@...>) wrote:

>Media and medics will have a field day with this one! They will ignore " He

>was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted measles

>and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

>received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

>system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. "

>

>However, if this boy died of an infection of the CNS (brain/spinal

>cord/meninges) caused by a reaction to the measles virus, how can they fail

>to accept that the live measles virus in the MMR jab can kill too?

>

>Sue

>

>

><http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece>http://news.\

independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece

>

>Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

>By Ian Herbert

>Published: 04 April 2006

......

[Guest guest]

Rolfe - I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Wakefield this past

Sunday about a rash my son had three Cristmas's ago that was identicle to the

measles according to the Mayo Clinic Family Health book I own. When I called the

ped's office, they dismissed the possibility because there was no known

outbreak. I asked Wakefield if he thought it was possible that my son got this

from a recently vaccinated child who was shedding the virus; he agreed this was

certainly possible. In fact he has isolated the measles virus from the gut

and/or spinal fluid of many an autistic child suffering with entercolitis and

other bowel diseases. He is from the UK, but living in exile in Texas - he said

with a chuckle - because of it. If the virus doesn't even exist, what is he

basing all of his efforts on I wonder?

Anita

Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

Hello Sue and others,

Please note: There is no " measles virus " . See article (in 2001)

by Stefan Lanka at:

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

One thing which the doctors absolutely will not tell you.

Rolf M.

At 16:03 2006-04-04 +0800, you (<mum2mishka@...>) wrote:

>Media and medics will have a field day with this one! They will ignore " He

>was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted measles

>and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

>received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

>system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. "

>

>However, if this boy died of an infection of the CNS (brain/spinal

>cord/meninges) caused by a reaction to the measles virus, how can they fail

>to accept that the live measles virus in the MMR jab can kill too?

>

>Sue

>

>

><http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece>http://news.\

independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece

>

>Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

>By Ian Herbert

>Published: 04 April 2006

......

[Guest guest]

Hello Anita,

Here's a reply to your question:

Stefan Lanka, who's the big (and obviously HONEST) expert on this,

writes, concerning the purported " virus isolation " of the " traditional-

medicine " protagonists and propagandists, that they are NOT

effecting any real such, but only are using a certain technique

for multiplying some junk - NOT any virus - which they've found,

and then they're making false claims about the stuff which they

then get - maintaining that they " can show " it's viruses.

A rather long quote from him soon, but first what I've gathered from

other articles by him on viruses (which do exist, but none that are

harmful to humans or animals): A virus is like a small globe in

shape, diameter between 20 nm (nanometres) and 400 nm.

For any virus to be disease-causing in a human, there would

have to be lots of it - hundreds of thousands at least, all of the

same kind - same size and shape, of course, and same density too.

Then a medical scientist can use a centrifuge technique which

I assume is rather elementary, to get all those viruses, in a certain

sample taken from a supposedly " infected " human body, to gather

in one band. He/she takes a look at those viruses in an electron

microscope, and photographs them. If they do exist, then they

absolutely will show up in such a photograph.

Now what Stefan Lanka is saying too is that NEVER has ANY

photo been shown of ANY disease-causing virus. He says that

a layman too can check on this by ASKING the organization or

person claiming to have isolated such a virus to SHOW such a

photo, or to point to a publication where there is such a photo.

He says, then you'll NOT be shown any such but will me met

only with evasions. He himself has tried that, he says, with

preciselt this result. And I absolutely believe him on that. So

I on my part have not even tried that experiment myself.

Now for the longish quote. It's from my own translation of

an interview with Stefan Lanka on 27.10.2005, concerning

" contagious bird flu " and other hoaxes. The entire interview

you can find here:

http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html

In the media, photos of bird flu viruses and influenza viruses constantly

are being shown. Some of these photos show round formations. Are those not

viruses?

No! Firstly, those round formations which supposedly are influenza viruses

are, as every molecular-biologist can

see, artificially produced particles consisting of fats and albumins.

The layman can check on this by asking for a scientific publication in

which these pictures are reproduced and described and the composition of

the formations shown is documented. Such a publication does not exist.

Secondly, those pictures which supposedly show bird flu viruses in reality

show, as every biologist can make out without any doubt about it, quite

normal component parts of cells, or even show complete cells which happen

to be in the process of exporting or importing cell and metabolism

component parts. Again, the layman can check on this very precisely, by

asking for those publications on which those photos are based and from

which they originate: He will never receive such publications. The

scaremongerers' craft guild is loath to expose its trade basis, the

swindles with laboratory and animal experiments.

If you ask the picture agencies or a news agency such as the dpa from where

they are getting these photos of theirs, then they will refer you to the

American contagious-disease authority the CDC of the Pentagon. From this

CDC it is that the only photo of the purported H5N1 originates too.

This photo shows the length section cut and also the cross section cut of

tubes in cells which have been caused to die in a test-tube. These small

tubes in the professional language are called microtubuli, and serve the

transport and communication in the cell and in the process of cell division.

It has been demonstrated however that H5N1 kills hen embryos and can be

cultivated in eggs. Where is the rat to be smelled in this?

These experiments have been used already since over 100 years back, in

order to " prove " the existence of several " viruses " quite different from

each other, for instance also that of the purported smallpox virus. In

these experiments, extracts are being injected through the eggshell into

the embryo. Depending on how much is injected and where in the embryo the

supposedly " virus-infected " extract is injected, the embryo dies faster or

more slowly. It would die from such injections in precisely the same manner

too if the extracts were sterilized in advance.

This killing then is presented by those virologists, firstly, as direct

proof of the existence of the respective virus, secondly as proof of the

possibility of multiplying the virus, and thirdly and simultaneously as

proof of the isolation of the virus.

From hen embryos killed in this way, millions of which are dying silently

each year at the vaccine manufacturers', various vaccine substances are

being produced.

Besides hen embryos, also cells are being killed in test-tubes in order to

present the dying of these cells as proof of the existence, the multiplying

and the isolation of a diseasecausing virus.

Nowhere however is a virus being isolated in this manner, photographed in

an electron microscope and its component parts described in processes of

the type called electrophoresis.

[END OF QUOTE]

I hope this is helpful concerning " virus isolation " . What you could do,'then,

Anita, is ask that doctor who said he had " isolated a virus " :

" Please, where can I find a book with an electron microscope photo

of that virus, together with an explanation of how it was isolated? "

This, I believe, will embarrass the doctor (soundly!). And IF you should

get a positive reply (my theory is: you won't!), then please tell us on

this list about it.

Best regards,

Rolf M.

At 19:00 2006-04-04 -0700, you (Anita Durney <mydurney@...>) wrote:

>Rolfe - I had the opportunity to speak with Dr. Wakefield this past

>Sunday about a rash my son had three Cristmas's ago that was identicle to

>the measles according to the Mayo Clinic Family Health book I own. When I

>called the ped's office, they dismissed the possibility because there was

>no known outbreak. I asked Wakefield if he thought it was possible that my

>son got this from a recently vaccinated child who was shedding the virus;

>he agreed this was certainly possible. In fact he has isolated the measles

>virus from the gut and/or spinal fluid of many an autistic child suffering

>with entercolitis and other bowel diseases. He is from the UK, but living

>in exile in Texas - he said with a chuckle - because of it. If the virus

>doesn't even exist, what is he basing all of his efforts on I wonder?

>

> Anita

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> Hello Sue and others,

>

>Please note: There is no " measles virus " . See article (in 2001)

>by Stefan Lanka at:

>

><http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

>

>One thing which the doctors absolutely will not tell you.

>

>Rolf M.

>

>

>At 16:03 2006-04-04 +0800, you (<mum2mishka@...>) wrote:

>

> >Media and medics will have a field day with this one! They will ignore " He

> >was already receiving drugs for a lung condition when he contracted measles

> >and his condition affected his ability to combat the virus. He had not

> >received the MMR vaccine and died of an infection of the central nervous

> >system caused by a reaction to the measles virus. "

> >

> >However, if this boy died of an infection of the CNS (brain/spinal

> >cord/meninges) caused by a reaction to the measles virus, how can they fail

> >to accept that the live measles virus in the MMR jab can kill too?

> >

> >Sue

> >

> >

> ><<http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece>http:

>

//news.independent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece>http://news.indepen\

dent.co.uk/uk/health_medical/article355607.ece

> >

> >Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of MMR

> >By Ian Herbert

> >Published: 04 April 2006

>.....

>

>

[Guest guest]

Rolf,

I'm trying to get my small brain around this. You wrote, " NEVER has ANY

photo been shown of ANY disease-causing virus " . How would one know if it was

indeed disease-causing? Maybe I didn't get that part?

Thanks,

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

At 05:38 2006-04-05 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>)

wrote:

>Rolf,

> I'm trying to get my small brain around this. You wrote, " NEVER has ANY

>photo been shown of ANY disease-causing virus " . How would one know if it

>was indeed disease-causing? Maybe I didn't get that part?

> Thanks,

> Sheri B.

>

>----------

Hello Sheri B.,

What I meant was:

Some people (with brains probably absolutely no bigger than yours, or mine)

since a long time back have been maintaing that there are certain viruses

which cause diseases in humans, and/or in animals.

I'm looking up that earlier article by Stefan Lanka now, on viruses in

general (from 2001), while I'm writing this, so as to see what sorts

of " disease-causing viruses " have been purported to exist - and have

been believed by many people (including myself up until a few months ago)

to exist. Let's see. The article is at

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

I'm checking out that address with my web reader:

Headline:

Dr. Stefan Lanka Exposes The " Viral Fraud "

Pictures of " Isolated Viruses " Debunked

Some " viruses " , " photos " of which have been shown - only these

photos are all fakes, and nobody has shown any genuine ones of

these " viruses " either, says Lanka:

01) measles

02) smallpox

03) inluenza

04) herpes

05) vaccina

06) polio

07) adeno

08) ebola

09) hepatitis B

He's not even mentioning here the most soundly-refuted swindle " virus "

of them all, on which he has written much too:

10) " HIV " .

On this you can read for instance in an interview with Stefan Lanka

(in 1998), on " retroviruses " , at:

http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

And there's one picture of that particular " virus " which by no means

is supposed to be a photo of it but which I on my part find very nice:

It's at one of the pages of " HEAL Toronto " , at:

http://www.healtoronto.com/myths.html

Myths and Mysteries of HIV and AIDS

With a nice picture, " Great myth conceptions of the 20th

century " , showing Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Man

in the Moon, Sherlock Holmes, Big-Foot, the Stork and

last but not least, that horrible monster, H.I.V.

Perhaps instead of

" " NEVER has ANY photo been shown of ANY disease-causing

virus " ,

I should have written, so as to make this clearer:

Since there is NO " disease-causing virus " , NEVER has a photo of

ANY such been shown either, not of ANY of those rather many

different such which have been PURPORTED to exist. These are ALL

only phantoms.

Best regards,

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rolf,

you have me really confused. If there are no viruses, what is it that causes

the same symptoms in groups of people who have been in contact eg, measles, hep

B etc etc. Obviously there is enough difference between these ailments to make

them recognisable and distinct.

So..what causes the same symptoms in everyone? What do you get immune against

once you have had a 'disease'? What do they put in the vaccines that raises

antibody levels (but not necassarily immunity)?

If there is no polio virus, what causes those particular symptoms in everyone?

What is it you can catch from the faeces of vax kids?

If someone is diagnosed with HIV, what is really wrong with them and how can

they give it to someone else? How can that person have one blood test which is

normal, become infected and then present with positive HIV? And if there is no

HIV virus, what is it that turms into AIDs and kills them?

Really looking forward to your reply/

Thanks.

Nicola

Re: Measles death prompts call for greater take-up of

MMR

At 05:38 2006-04-05 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>)

wrote:

>Rolf,

> I'm trying to get my small brain around this. You wrote, " NEVER has ANY

>photo been shown of ANY disease-causing virus " . How would one know if it

>was indeed disease-causing? Maybe I didn't get that part?

> Thanks,

> Sheri B.

>

>----------

Hello Sheri B.,

What I meant was:

Some people (with brains probably absolutely no bigger than yours, or mine)

since a long time back have been maintaing that there are certain viruses

which cause diseases in humans, and/or in animals.

I'm looking up that earlier article by Stefan Lanka now, on viruses in

general (from 2001), while I'm writing this, so as to see what sorts

of " disease-causing viruses " have been purported to exist - and have

been believed by many people (including myself up until a few months ago)

to exist. Let's see. The article is at

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

I'm checking out that address with my web reader:

Headline:

Dr. Stefan Lanka Exposes The " Viral Fraud "

Pictures of " Isolated Viruses " Debunked

Some " viruses " , " photos " of which have been shown - only these

photos are all fakes, and nobody has shown any genuine ones of

these " viruses " either, says Lanka:

01) measles

02) smallpox

03) inluenza

04) herpes

05) vaccina

06) polio

07) adeno

08) ebola

09) hepatitis B

He's not even mentioning here the most soundly-refuted swindle " virus "

of them all, on which he has written much too:

10) " HIV " .

On this you can read for instance in an interview with Stefan Lanka

(in 1998), on " retroviruses " , at:

http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

And there's one picture of that particular " virus " which by no means

is supposed to be a photo of it but which I on my part find very nice:

It's at one of the pages of " HEAL Toronto " , at:

http://www.healtoronto.com/myths.html

Myths and Mysteries of HIV and AIDS

With a nice picture, " Great myth conceptions of the 20th

century " , showing Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Man

in the Moon, Sherlock Holmes, Big-Foot, the Stork and

last but not least, that horrible monster, H.I.V.

Perhaps instead of

" " NEVER has ANY photo been shown of ANY disease-causing

virus " ,

I should have written, so as to make this clearer:

Since there is NO " disease-causing virus " , NEVER has a photo of

ANY such been shown either, not of ANY of those rather many

different such which have been PURPORTED to exist. These are ALL

only phantoms.

Best regards,

Rolf M.

[Guest guest]

Hello Nicola,

At this (more or less) new theory in medicine, which I do hold is

correct, I'm only a beginner.

Some brief replies here - about " HIV " and " AIDS " I can tell you at

once, but on the other things, I mainly want to refer you to:

English Homepage of The New Medicine

http://www.newmedicine.ca/

At 20:08 2006-04-06 +1200, you (Glen & Nicola Warner "

<n.gwarner@...> wrote:

>Hi Rolf,

>

>you have me really confused. If there are no viruses, what is it that

>causes the same symptoms in groups of people who have been in contact eg,

>measles, hep B etc etc. Obviously there is enough difference between

>these ailments to make them recognisable and distinct.

Why often the same symptoms in people who've been in contact

with each other? Sorry, I really don't know. But it's not viruses.

I shall put that question, which I've been intending to ask myself,

to the New Medicine specialists - sometime later. For now, I've

got other priorities and can only refer you to that homepage (above).

>So..what causes the same symptoms in everyone? What do you get immune

>against once you have had a 'disease'? What do they put in the vaccines

>that raises antibody levels (but not necassarily immunity)?

I don't know. But at any rate, the " school medicine " propagandists are

disseminating a lot of frauds on these subjects. Sorry I can't do better

than that, at the moment.

>If there is no polio virus, what causes those particular symptoms in

>everyone? What is it you can catch from the faeces of vax kids?

On the " polio virus " , Eleanor McBean already wrote that it was a fraud, in

her " The Poisoned Needle " , back in 1957. I've glanced through that book,

which is on the Net, and have found her arguments convincing. See:

http://whale.to/a/mcbean.html

>If someone is diagnosed with HIV, what is really wrong with them and how

>can they give it to someone else? How can that person have one blood test

>which is normal, become infected and then present with positive HIV? And

>if there is no HIV virus, what is it that turms into AIDs and kills them?

See, above all:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/

Someone tipped me off about that page - Australia-based - in

August 2000, and I could not stop reading it all night. A fantastic

eye-opener, I found it to be.

The thing is, what some people are calling " AIDS " is really

a number of different, actual diseases.

Which have no connection with each other, no common factor.

There is no " HIV " .

I've likened this matter with the designation " AIDS " , in my mind, to

someone's hitting on the idea of giving a common designation to:

a) foxes

roses

c) green motor vehicles,

calling all of these " gredthings " !

This would be a designation that would only cause confusion,

wouldn't it? You would have no use for it, neither for fox-hunting

nor for planting roses nor for constructing or painting cars.

But that " smart " person who invented that designation could

" rightly " say: Do you maintain that there are " no " gredthings?

Just take a look at that fox over there, and that green car here!

Very typical gredthings, both of them!

That's how it is with " AIDS " , too.

>Really looking forward to your reply/

>

>Thanks.

>

>Nicola

By the way, I have more links to websites on " AIDS " and

on that (not quite) new theory in medicine, at the " Links "

section of my homepage.

http://rolf-martens.com/links.html

And on " AIDS " , I on my part wrote a first article, in August 2000,

after I had read some stuff at that fantastic " virusmyth " website;

it's (in 2 parts) at:

http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23129en/U%21%20%23129en%201-2%2\

0.txt

and

http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23129en/U%21%20%23129en%202-2.t\

xt

Hoping this helps you a little, at least. As I already said, I'm a beginner

at this stuff (new medicine), and cannot do better just now, although

I've already gotten convinced that those people (Dr Hamer and company)

are right.

Rolf M.

> Re: Measles death prompts call for greater

> take-up of MMR

>

>

> At 05:38 2006-04-05 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>)

> wrote:

>

> >Rolf,

> > I'm trying to get my small brain around this. You wrote, " NEVER

> has ANY

> >photo been shown of ANY disease-causing virus " . How would one know if it

> >was indeed disease-causing? Maybe I didn't get that part?

> > Thanks,

> > Sheri B.

> >

> >----------

> Hello Sheri B.,

>

> What I meant was:

>

> Some people (with brains probably absolutely no bigger than yours, or mine)

> since a long time back have been maintaing that there are certain viruses

> which cause diseases in humans, and/or in animals.

>

> I'm looking up that earlier article by Stefan Lanka now, on viruses in

> general (from 2001), while I'm writing this, so as to see what sorts

> of " disease-causing viruses " have been purported to exist - and have

> been believed by many people (including myself up until a few months ago)

> to exist. Let's see. The article is at

>

>

><http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm>http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

>

> I'm checking out that address with my web reader:

>

> Headline:

>

> Dr. Stefan Lanka Exposes The " Viral Fraud "

> Pictures of " Isolated Viruses " Debunked

>

>

> Some " viruses " , " photos " of which have been shown - only these

> photos are all fakes, and nobody has shown any genuine ones of

> these " viruses " either, says Lanka:

>

> 01) measles

> 02) smallpox

> 03) inluenza

> 04) herpes

> 05) vaccina

> 06) polio

> 07) adeno

> 08) ebola

> 09) hepatitis B

>

> He's not even mentioning here the most soundly-refuted swindle " virus "

> of them all, on which he has written much too:

>

> 10) " HIV " .

>

> On this you can read for instance in an interview with Stefan Lanka

> (in 1998), on " retroviruses " , at:

>

>

><http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm>http://www.sic\

kofdoctors.addr.com/articles/lanka_interview1.htm

>

> And there's one picture of that particular " virus " which by no means

> is supposed to be a photo of it but which I on my part find very nice:

>

> It's at one of the pages of " HEAL Toronto " , at:

>

>

><http://www.healtoronto.com/myths.html>http://www.healtoronto.com/myths.html

>

> Myths and Mysteries of HIV and AIDS

>

> With a nice picture, " Great myth conceptions of the 20th

> century " , showing Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Man

> in the Moon, Sherlock Holmes, Big-Foot, the Stork and

> last but not least, that horrible monster, H.I.V.

>

> Perhaps instead of

>

> " " NEVER has ANY photo been shown of ANY disease-causing

> virus " ,

>

> I should have written, so as to make this clearer:

>

> Since there is NO " disease-causing virus " , NEVER has a photo of

> ANY such been shown either, not of ANY of those rather many

> different such which have been PURPORTED to exist. These are ALL

> only phantoms.

>

> Best regards,

> Rolf M.

>

>

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