Re: Measles Article: My friend's come-back

[Guest guest]

Well I guess my questions to her are:

Why are vaccinated kids getting mumps if the vaccine is supposed to work?

If her kid is vaccinated (and she believes he/she is immune) then why is she

worried about kids who are not vaccinated?

How many kids die from mumps? Not many..so why not help their immune

systems by just letting them get it, rather than pumping them full of crap

in vaccines?

Just my thoughts!

C

Measles Article: My friend's come-back

Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story on

CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're

just going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

"

OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and given

the small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids – so far.

Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10 contracted

meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad (again, I don’t

think medicine is an exact science). What’s happening now is curious and

they need to figure out what’s up, but I think it’s a huge leap to say that

the vaccine isn’t working anymore. If that was true there’d be a lot more

than the tiny number of cases in the US and even more than the larger

numbers they saw in England. Clearly, though, something has changed and

that needs to be researched. What bothers me is the theory that it may have

been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person. The more folks that opt out

of the vaccine, the more likely that this will continue to occur. This is

why I hope they figure out how to identify those kids whose little bodies

can’t handle vaccines and

why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out there.

(My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle the

vaccines given, and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where the

mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in people such that it could be totally

irradicated? In nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will we develop

resistance to the existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way

to find an “in”? "

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[Guest guest]

Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're just going to have to agree to

disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

~~Not sure I have anything important to add to this, but I found it

interesting on the news when I saw that of course most of the people with the

mumps in Iowa WERE vaccinated and also the news was reporting like " it's ok " if

you get the mumps, here's what you do, etc.--- which makes you say WHY are

people so afraid of it in the 1st place, if it's something you can totally deal

with? Same with chicken pox, etc. don't get me started... also, they were saying

how they were thinking the vaccine was not reliable enough (DUH) and of course

are working on that, but if anything, maybe this will get people to researching

it more and OPEN THEIR EYES. I personally don't think it's an unvaccinated

person " carrying " the disease- it's the people getting INJECTED with it from the

vaccines- isn't it??? I could be wrong, but this is my thinking. I guess it

could be either, but it IS frustrating when people won't even consider what you

are saying- I can totally understand where the

pro-vaxxers are coming from because I feel they haven't done their research and

are thinking out of false fears. I wish they were more open minded to at least

look at our view for even a second. Often, it is better to agree to disagree so

that you don't push them away completely.

Momma to Noah (2/16/01), (7/10/02), & Grayson (10/7/05)

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,

I agree. Just want to make sure: do vaccinated children shed measles, mumps

or rubella? I wanted to make that point to my friend.

Sheri B.

<jsprecourt@...> wrote:

Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're just going to have to agree

to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

~~Not sure I have anything important to add to this, but I found it

interesting on the news when I saw that of course most of the people with the

mumps in Iowa WERE vaccinated and also the news was reporting like " it's ok " if

you get the mumps, here's what you do, etc.--- which makes you say WHY are

people so afraid of it in the 1st place, if it's something you can totally deal

with? Same with chicken pox, etc. don't get me started... also, they were saying

how they were thinking the vaccine was not reliable enough (DUH) and of course

are working on that, but if anything, maybe this will get people to researching

it more and OPEN THEIR EYES. I personally don't think it's an unvaccinated

person " carrying " the disease- it's the people getting INJECTED with it from the

vaccines- isn't it??? I could be wrong, but this is my thinking. I guess it

could be either, but it IS frustrating when people won't even consider what you

are saying- I can totally understand where the

pro-vaxxers are coming from because I feel they haven't done their research and

are thinking out of false fears. I wish they were more open minded to at least

look at our view for even a second. Often, it is better to agree to disagree so

that you don't push them away completely.

Momma to Noah (2/16/01), (7/10/02), & Grayson (10/7/05)

http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/

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[Guest guest]

Sheri, your friend's comments are spoken like a person who hasn't done a lick of

research on the dangers of vaccines. Her opinions are exactly what I thought

before I started checking things out for myself. Unfortunately most chose to

keep their heads stuck in the sand and don't ever find out how dead wrong they

are regarding the safety of vaccines.

Good grief, we're talking MUMPS here, not the Bubonic Plague! A message board

I'm on has been discussing the outbreak in Iowa, and you'd think Ebola has come

to the U.S. or something!

Most people refuse to see the connection between the massive amounts of toxins

children are injected with and subsequent skyrocketing chronic illnesses. They

think give more and more injections = no diseases, no problems. WRONG!

Her comment about finding out why some children's " little body's can't handle

vaccines and why " is amusing. We already KNOW why. These toxins were never

meant to be injected into " little bodies " or big bodies either, for that matter!

They're unnatural, untested, unsafe...

How much better if people were taught how to boost their immune systems and

stay healthy WITHOUT drugs and vaccines. THERE'S a novel thought! LOL Imagine

the body being able to stay healthy on its own?!!!

It's amazing how brainwashed our society has become. And our innocent

children are the ones to suffer the consequences. : (

Kay

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story on

CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're just

going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

"

OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and given the

small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids – so far.

Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10 contracted meningitis.

So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad (again, I don’t think medicine is an

exact science). What’s happening now is curious and they need to figure out

what’s up, but I think it’s a huge leap to say that the vaccine isn’t working

anymore. If that was true there’d be a lot more than the tiny number of cases

in the US and even more than the larger numbers they saw in England. Clearly,

though, something has changed and that needs to be researched. What bothers me

is the theory that it may have been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person.

The more folks that opt out of the vaccine, the more likely that this will

continue to occur. This is why I hope they figure out how to identify those

kids whose little bodies can’t handle vaccines and

why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out there. (My

personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle the vaccines given,

and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where the mumps virus comes

from/lives. Only in people such that it could be totally irradicated? In

nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will we develop resistance to the

existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way to find an “in”? "

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Mine too, but her stand (in previous conversations) is that if everyone is

vaccinated then the trigger people (like the kid from England in her mind) would

cause less outbreaks. She said the failure rate of the vaccine is much less

than the success rate, which to her means that it must work in most people.

But I'm with you. If your kid is immunized, why are you worried about my kid?

Sheri B.

Hildebrand <christina@...> wrote:

Well I guess my questions to her are:

Why are vaccinated kids getting mumps if the vaccine is supposed to work?

If her kid is vaccinated (and she believes he/she is immune) then why is she

worried about kids who are not vaccinated?

How many kids die from mumps? Not many..so why not help their immune

systems by just letting them get it, rather than pumping them full of crap

in vaccines?

Just my thoughts!

C

Measles Article: My friend's come-back

Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story on

CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're

just going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

"

OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and given

the small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids – so far.

Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10 contracted

meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad (again, I don’t

think medicine is an exact science). What’s happening now is curious and

they need to figure out what’s up, but I think it’s a huge leap to say that

the vaccine isn’t working anymore. If that was true there’d be a lot more

than the tiny number of cases in the US and even more than the larger

numbers they saw in England. Clearly, though, something has changed and

that needs to be researched. What bothers me is the theory that it may have

been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person. The more folks that opt out

of the vaccine, the more likely that this will continue to occur. This is

why I hope they figure out how to identify those kids whose little bodies

can’t handle vaccines and

why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out there.

(My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle the

vaccines given, and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where the

mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in people such that it could be totally

irradicated? In nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will we develop

resistance to the existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way

to find an “in”? "

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Actually I'm very encouraged by this reply... an obviously pro-

vaccine, go-along-with-the-establishment person is admitting that

vaccines are probably dangerous to a " small percentage " (1%? 3%?

Millions of kiddos right there, if my struggling math is right), and

the medical community should figure out a way to identify them. More

proactive research means more people eventually finding out the

truth... People learn in baby steps, this is encouraging!

JMO,

>

> Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine

(story on CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your

thoughts. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree,

which is getting harder and harder.

> Sheri B.

>

> "

> OK, I don't mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked –

and given the small overall number of cases, is still working for

most kids – so far. Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and

1 in 10 contracted meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically)

isn't bad (again, I don't think medicine is an exact science).

What's happening now is curious and they need to figure out what's

up, but I think it's a huge leap to say that the vaccine isn't

working anymore. If that was true there'd be a lot more than the

tiny number of cases in the US and even more than the larger numbers

they saw in England. Clearly, though, something has changed and

that needs to be researched. What bothers me is the theory that it

may have been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person. The more

folks that opt out of the vaccine, the more likely that this will

continue to occur. This is why I hope they figure out how to

identify those kids whose little bodies can't handle vaccines and

> why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids

out there. (My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids

can handle the vaccines given, and a small percentage can't.) I

wonder though where the mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in

people such that it could be totally irradicated? In nature so that

it'll always be out there? Will we develop resistance to the

existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way to find

an " in " ? "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes. 1% doesn't sound like much until it's your kid. Then, I can tell you

firsthand, that there won't be any experts around to tell you what to do next.

Or how to pay for it. And no money in the world could compensate you for that.

Sheri B.

<moregymplz@...> wrote:

Actually I'm very encouraged by this reply... an obviously pro-

vaccine, go-along-with-the-establishment person is admitting that

vaccines are probably dangerous to a " small percentage " (1%? 3%?

Millions of kiddos right there, if my struggling math is right), and

the medical community should figure out a way to identify them. More

proactive research means more people eventually finding out the

truth... People learn in baby steps, this is encouraging!

JMO,

>

> Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine

(story on CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your

thoughts. I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree,

which is getting harder and harder.

> Sheri B.

>

> "

> OK, I don't mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked –

and given the small overall number of cases, is still working for

most kids – so far. Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and

1 in 10 contracted meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically)

isn't bad (again, I don't think medicine is an exact science).

What's happening now is curious and they need to figure out what's

up, but I think it's a huge leap to say that the vaccine isn't

working anymore. If that was true there'd be a lot more than the

tiny number of cases in the US and even more than the larger numbers

they saw in England. Clearly, though, something has changed and

that needs to be researched. What bothers me is the theory that it

may have been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person. The more

folks that opt out of the vaccine, the more likely that this will

continue to occur. This is why I hope they figure out how to

identify those kids whose little bodies can't handle vaccines and

> why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids

out there. (My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids

can handle the vaccines given, and a small percentage can't.) I

wonder though where the mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in

people such that it could be totally irradicated? In nature so that

it'll always be out there? Will we develop resistance to the

existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way to find

an " in " ? "

>

>

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Actually even the medical literature accepts that a " small number " of people

will have negative reactions to vaccines. That's why parents are supposed to

sign the release forms when their children get vaccinated. That acknowledges

that there ARE risks, and that the parents are aware of that.

My sister, who is deeply brainwashed by the medical industry, agrees that

there are some who will have reactions, and some may even die. But people are

led to believe that it's so rare and that the risks of NOT vaccinating are much

higher than the " small " risk of a vaccine reaction.

AND all vaccine literature states that vaccines are not 100% effective in

preventing disease. So they acknowledge that as well.

This isn't new thinking, it's just part of the overall brainwashing that those

" inside the box " accept without question.

Kay

<moregymplz@...> wrote:

Actually I'm very encouraged by this reply... an obviously pro-

vaccine, go-along-with-the-establishment person is admitting that

vaccines are probably dangerous to a " small percentage " (1%? 3%?

Millions of kiddos right there, if my struggling math is right), and

the medical community should figure out a way to identify them. More

proactive research means more people eventually finding out the

truth... People learn in baby steps, this is encouraging!

JMO,

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" How much better if people were taught how to boost their immune

systems and stay healthy WITHOUT drugs and vaccines. THERE'S a novel

thought! LOL Imagine the body being able to stay healthy on its own?!!!

Kay "

Oh, but then who would make money on that!!!!!???

(can you hear the oozing sarcasm?)

My first sone, who is partially vaxxed got his last vax, the MMR at age 3

(his first and only MMR) He got mumps from the vax!!!! But do you think they

would admit it or even test him for the titer? No way. They told me that

wasn't possible..it must be something else and sent me away! The poor kid's

face looked like a football. (BTW my healthy breastfed boy, FELT just fine

and aside from the temporary deformity, was barely sick.) We even took

pictures to document it. We were already struggling with our religious

issues surrounding vaxxes and that did us in. I'm glad they got the mumps in

Iowa, I wish someone would give it to my other 2 little ones so they can

build their imunity muscles as God intended. Shame on them for thinking they

know better!

Jami

[Guest guest]

It doesn't help that her other " oldest friend " is married to a urologist. Go

figure.

Sheri B.

Kay Philpot <kay8889@...> wrote:

Sheri, your friend's comments are spoken like a person who hasn't done a lick

of research on the dangers of vaccines. Her opinions are exactly what I thought

before I started checking things out for myself. Unfortunately most chose to

keep their heads stuck in the sand and don't ever find out how dead wrong they

are regarding the safety of vaccines.

Good grief, we're talking MUMPS here, not the Bubonic Plague! A message board

I'm on has been discussing the outbreak in Iowa, and you'd think Ebola has come

to the U.S. or something!

Most people refuse to see the connection between the massive amounts of toxins

children are injected with and subsequent skyrocketing chronic illnesses. They

think give more and more injections = no diseases, no problems. WRONG!

Her comment about finding out why some children's " little body's can't handle

vaccines and why " is amusing. We already KNOW why. These toxins were never

meant to be injected into " little bodies " or big bodies either, for that matter!

They're unnatural, untested, unsafe...

How much better if people were taught how to boost their immune systems and

stay healthy WITHOUT drugs and vaccines. THERE'S a novel thought! LOL Imagine

the body being able to stay healthy on its own?!!!

It's amazing how brainwashed our society has become. And our innocent

children are the ones to suffer the consequences. : (

Kay

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story on

CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're just

going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

Sheri B.

"

OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and given the

small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids – so far.

Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10 contracted meningitis.

So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad (again, I don’t think medicine is an

exact science). What’s happening now is curious and they need to figure out

what’s up, but I think it’s a huge leap to say that the vaccine isn’t working

anymore. If that was true there’d be a lot more than the tiny number of cases

in the US and even more than the larger numbers they saw in England. Clearly,

though, something has changed and that needs to be researched. What bothers me

is the theory that it may have been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person.

The more folks that opt out of the vaccine, the more likely that this will

continue to occur. This is why I hope they figure out how to identify those

kids whose little bodies can’t handle vaccines and

why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out there. (My

personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle the vaccines given,

and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where the mumps virus comes

from/lives. Only in people such that it could be totally irradicated? In

nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will we develop resistance to the

existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way to find an “in”? "

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Hello Sheri B. and others,

There isn't any " mumps virus " . Se an article by Stefan Lanka at:

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

That " virus " comes from / lives / has lived in the imagination of some quacks.

Rolf M.

At 09:43 2006-04-04 -0700, you (Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...>)

wrote:

>Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story

>on CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think

>we're just going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and

>harder.

> Sheri B.

>

> "

> OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and

> given the small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids –

> so far. Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10

> contracted meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad

> (again, I don’t think medicine is an exact science). What’s happening

> now is curious and they need to figure out what’s up, but I think it’s a

> huge leap to say that the vaccine isn’t working anymore. If that was

> true there’d be a lot more than the tiny number of cases in the US and

> even more than the larger numbers they saw in England. Clearly, though,

> something has changed and that needs to be researched. What bothers me

> is the theory that it may have been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated

> person. The more folks that opt out of the vaccine, the more likely that

> this will continue to occur. This is why I hope they figure out how to

> identify those kids whose little bodies can’t handle vaccines and

>why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out

>there. (My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle

>the vaccines given, and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where

>the mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in people such that it could be

>totally irradicated? In nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will

>we develop resistance to the existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in

>some small way to find an “in”? "

>

>

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[Guest guest]

,

Your'e right:

At 09:53 2006-04-04 -0700, you ( Hildebrand

<christina@...>) wrote:

>Well I guess my questions to her are:

>

>Why are vaccinated kids getting mumps if the vaccine is supposed to work?

Because mumps isn't caused by a virus. There is no " mumps virus " . And the

vaccines are worse than useless - as people on this list have known since

a long time back, I on my part only for a few months.

On purported " harmful viruses " , see an article by Stefan Lanka at

http://www.neue-medizin.com/lanka2.htm

On diseases in general, see:

English Homepage of The New Medicine

http://www.newmedicine.ca/

A theory that's rather new to me. I've already gotten

convinced however that it's correct.

A very big thing, then, concerning medicine in general.

The " traditional doctors " have been on a wrong track

since a very long time back. To many on this list,

this is no surprise, I guess.

Vaccines should indeed be avoided, as you and many others

here already have found out.

Rolf M.

>If her kid is vaccinated (and she believes he/she is immune) then why is she

>worried about kids who are not vaccinated?

>How many kids die from mumps? Not many..so why not help their immune

>systems by just letting them get it, rather than pumping them full of crap

>in vaccines?

>

>Just my thoughts!

>C

>

> Measles Article: My friend's come-back

>

>Here is what a dear friend replied to me about the measles vaccine (story on

>CNN web page yesterday). Would love to hear your thoughts. I think we're

>just going to have to agree to disagree, which is getting harder and harder.

> Sheri B.

>

> "

> OK, I don’t mean to sound contrary but… Something has worked – and given

>the small overall number of cases, is still working for most kids – so far.

>Pre-vaccine, almost 100% of kids got mumps, and 1 in 10 contracted

>meningitis. So a 5% failure rate (typically) isn’t bad (again, I don’t

>think medicine is an exact science). What’s happening now is curious and

>they need to figure out what’s up, but I think it’s a huge leap to say that

>the vaccine isn’t working anymore. If that was true there’d be a lot more

>than the tiny number of cases in the US and even more than the larger

>numbers they saw in England. Clearly, though, something has changed and

>that needs to be researched. What bothers me is the theory that it may have

>been carried to Iowa by an unvaccinated person. The more folks that opt out

>of the vaccine, the more likely that this will continue to occur. This is

>why I hope they figure out how to identify those kids whose little bodies

>can’t handle vaccines and

>why, to minimize the number of unprotected (ie vulnerable) kids out there.

>(My personal, totally naïve opinion is that most kids can handle the

>vaccines given, and a small percentage can’t.) I wonder though where the

>mumps virus comes from/lives. Only in people such that it could be totally

>irradicated? In nature so that it’ll always be out there? Will we develop

>resistance to the existing vaccine? Will the virus mutate in some small way

>to find an “in”? "

>

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