Re: 3m doses of untested vaccine will not arrive in UK until May

[Guest guest]

No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

(including myself) have believed in during a long time

doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

either.

People dying of fear (of the phantom " H5N1 " ), as you say, is

entirely possible. But the biggest danger in connection with the

" bird flu " scam is no doubt people dying of vaccines and/or Tamiflu.

That is, that such harmful " treatment " is accepted.

In connection with (the still ongoing, and parallel) " HIV " / " AIDS "

giant scam, fear (even fear to death) is a big factor: A person

getting " diagnosed " as " having " (the non-existent) " HIV " ,

and believing in the diagnosis, will become very frightened,

of course.

Rolf M.

At 11:23 2006-04-07 +0800, you <mum2mishka@...>

wrote:

>By the time this " virus " *mutates* to human form, everyone will be so

>stressed their immune systems will be knackered and they'll drop like

>ninepins. People will die from a pandemic of fear, not bird flu.

>

>Sue

>

>

>

><http://www.guardian.co.uk/birdflu/story/0,,1748866,00.html>http://www.guardian\

..co.uk/birdflu/story/0,,1748866,00.html

>

>3m doses of untested vaccine will not arrive in UK until May

>

> Laville

>Friday April 7, 2006

>The Guardian

>

>

>More than 3m doses of an as yet untested vaccine are on their way to the UK

>while research continues into a drug that could protect humans against an

>avian flu pandemic.

>

>The doses of the H5N1 vaccine, which has been put through some clinical

>trials, are due to arrive anytime after May 1 and could be used for staff

>within the NHS. But the Department of Health has said the vaccine is just a

>first line of defence while drug companies rush to find an exact vaccine to

>match a pandemic flu strain.

>

>Alan Hay, the director of the Medical Research Council's world influenza

>centre, said: " Even if it is not as effective as a normal flu vaccine it is

>likely to have some beneficial effects so the government has ordered what is

>currently available. I think it is a very important step.

>

> " At the present time all that has been manufactured is small amounts of

>vaccine predominantly for conducting clinical trials so that there is a

>small stockpile. But there has been no decision taken to mass produce a

>vaccine and that won't be done until there's evidence that this virus has

>changed and started to establish itself in the human population and to

>spread. "

>

>The H5N1 strain of avian flu has killed more than 100 people, mostly in

>Asia, since 2003. But as yet it has not mutated to be able to transfer

>between humans. The government has also ordered 14.6m courses of Tamiflu, an

>antiviral drug that can be used to treat symptoms of the human version of

>avian flu. But amid warnings from the Department of Health that the number

>of deaths from a pandemic of bird flu could reach more than 50,000 in the

>UK, recent reports have cast doubt on the effectiveness of Tamilflu as a

>treatment.

>

>A report in the Lancet medical journal said there was no evidence that

>Tamiflu would work if a flu pandemic took off in humans. The paper,

>published three months ago, said none of the four existing drugs against

>influenza - Tamiflu, Relenza, amantadine and rimantadine, would have much

>effect.

>

>The report warned against relying on drugs to stamp out a potential avian

>flu pandemic, saying complacency could get in the way of more useful public

>health measures, such as hygiene and isolation, to stop the spread of

>infection.

>

>While the drugs might reduce patients' symptoms, the report said the use of

>Tamiflu could actually increase the spread of the flu virus. If people take

>the drug and have fewer symptoms they may end up going to work and spreading

>the potentially lethal virus.

[Guest guest]

Hi Rolf,

Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've read

some of the

stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It makes

*no* sense to

me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language and is

also very

technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is a

" laymans " synopsis.

>

> No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> either.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello chobot,

Please let me wait a little before I try to more on that than I

already did in the posting you're quoting.

Firstly, because I'm such a beginner at this new stuff

(New Medicine), secondly, because for today and tomorrow

(at least), I'm pretty busy with other stuff.

Which, by the way, does include a translation of a recent

article by Stefan Lanka: " Are there and can there be

diseasecausing viruses? "

Not even at my homepage yet, but since you're asking,

I shall soon send a kind of " preview " to this list.

Otherwise, I promise to get back to you, on the bacteria too.

As for me, it took me some months, after I first read about

that new theory, to get that info to pass through my skull, so

to speak. I've recently read a couple of books on it, and shall

do my best, sometime later, to explain the stuff as far as

(I hope!) I've understood it.

Meanwhile, I recommend you to open that site again

now and then, so as to give the stuff there some more

chances, so to speak, of " seeping in " .

English Homepage of The New Medicine

http://www.newmedicine.ca/

Something like that has been my approach anyway,

but of course some " new angles " may be helpful too.

Until later, and one new piece of translated Stefan Lanka

coming up soon,

Rolf M

At 11:56 2006-04-08 +0000, you chlobot <chlobot@...> wrote:

>Hi Rolf,

>

>Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've

>read some of the

>stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It

>makes *no* sense to

>me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language

>and is also very

>technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is

>a " laymans " synopsis.

>

>

> >

> > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > either.

>

>----------

[Guest guest]

Thanks for this Rolfe. I too was having trouble understanding the New Medicine.

Though I only browsed the English website, I liked what I read about events and

illnesses being linked. I truely believe this is the case for my sons early

onset autism, but few outside the group will hear me.

It does frighten me a bit as a mother having to deal with autism and possibly

getting sick myself. My attitude on the surface is very positive, but beneath

the surface I live in a very dark place. I suppose this is true on some level

for all mothers and somehow throughout history, most manage to survive just

fine.

Anita

Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

Hello chobot,

Please let me wait a little before I try to more on that than I

already did in the posting you're quoting.

Firstly, because I'm such a beginner at this new stuff

(New Medicine), secondly, because for today and tomorrow

(at least), I'm pretty busy with other stuff.

Which, by the way, does include a translation of a recent

article by Stefan Lanka: " Are there and can there be

diseasecausing viruses? "

Not even at my homepage yet, but since you're asking,

I shall soon send a kind of " preview " to this list.

Otherwise, I promise to get back to you, on the bacteria too.

As for me, it took me some months, after I first read about

that new theory, to get that info to pass through my skull, so

to speak. I've recently read a couple of books on it, and shall

do my best, sometime later, to explain the stuff as far as

(I hope!) I've understood it.

Meanwhile, I recommend you to open that site again

now and then, so as to give the stuff there some more

chances, so to speak, of " seeping in " .

English Homepage of The New Medicine

http://www.newmedicine.ca/

Something like that has been my approach anyway,

but of course some " new angles " may be helpful too.

Until later, and one new piece of translated Stefan Lanka

coming up soon,

Rolf M

At 11:56 2006-04-08 +0000, you chlobot <chlobot@...> wrote:

>Hi Rolf,

>

>Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've

>read some of the

>stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It

>makes *no* sense to

>me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language

>and is also very

>technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is

>a " laymans " synopsis.

>

>

> >

> > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > either.

>

>----------

[Guest guest]

I, too, am still having trouble getting my head around this one. I've just

read the Stefan Lanka interview and thought it was excellent. It's not so

much that I have trouble believing that viruses do not cause disease, or

even exist, but I am having more trouble getting my brain around the *no

defence system* of the body. Not sure how you can deny basic anatomy and

physiology, and if we acknowledge that we have a lymphatic system, and

components of blood that *eat* toxins in our bodies (whatever you want to

call them), then what is it for? I am having immense difficulty denying

the existence of an immune system. Not sure I can ever get my brain around

that one....

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the

worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw

>

>

>

> Hi Rolf,

>

> Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' &

> baceria? I've read some of the

> stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another

> language. It makes *no* sense to

> me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another

> language and is also very

> technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if

> there is a " laymans " synopsis.

>

>

> >

> > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > either.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Anita,

I see what you mean concerning the world today.

But actually, it ain't really such a " dark place " as it may

sometime look!

This if found out, in my heart, so to speak - long before I

" turned political " - in the late 1950s (when I did have some

quite " dark moments " too, in a sort of " late tenager crisis " ),

namely, by listening to the music of Charlie , Dizzy

Giellespie, Bud on the piano, laidies and gentlemen -

which was a " big thing " for " our " generation, and even more

so, it seems. for those (some) 5-10 years older than I, in

the USA, above all, and also here in Sweden and some other

countries in Europe. Perhaps you've heard it, or herad of it?

Much later, I've become an adherent of those (absolutely

non-vaxed!) political theorists and practitioners Marx, Lenin

and Mao Zedong; one sentence often repeated by of the latter

I think describes the actual condistions and prospects " to a

tee " :

" The future is bright, the road full of twists and turns "

And those theorists (etc) always doubted " established " science

too, though none of them got to know about that vaccination

buisiness' being really a nasty thing and in reality a terror

against most people, by those in power, as people on this

prticular list since long have discovered, above all because

of their own (often long) experience.

Rolf M.

At 07:21 2006-04-08 -0700, you (Anita Durney <mydurney@...>) wrote:

>Thanks for this Rolfe. I too was having trouble understanding the New

>Medicine. Though I only browsed the English website, I liked what I read

>about events and illnesses being linked. I truely believe this is the case

>for my sons early onset autism, but few outside the group will hear me.

>

> It does frighten me a bit as a mother having to deal with autism and

> possibly getting sick myself. My attitude on the surface is very

> positive, but beneath the surface I live in a very dark place. I suppose

> this is true on some level for all mothers and somehow throughout

> history, most manage to survive just fine.

>

> Anita

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> Hello chobot,

>

>Please let me wait a little before I try to more on that than I

>already did in the posting you're quoting.

>

>Firstly, because I'm such a beginner at this new stuff

>(New Medicine), secondly, because for today and tomorrow

>(at least), I'm pretty busy with other stuff.

>

>Which, by the way, does include a translation of a recent

>article by Stefan Lanka: " Are there and can there be

>diseasecausing viruses? "

>

>Not even at my homepage yet, but since you're asking,

>I shall soon send a kind of " preview " to this list.

>

>Otherwise, I promise to get back to you, on the bacteria too.

>

>As for me, it took me some months, after I first read about

>that new theory, to get that info to pass through my skull, so

>to speak. I've recently read a couple of books on it, and shall

>do my best, sometime later, to explain the stuff as far as

>(I hope!) I've understood it.

>

>Meanwhile, I recommend you to open that site again

>now and then, so as to give the stuff there some more

>chances, so to speak, of " seeping in " .

>

>English Homepage of The New Medicine

><http://www.newmedicine.ca/>http://www.newmedicine.ca/

>

>Something like that has been my approach anyway,

>but of course some " new angles " may be helpful too.

>

>Until later, and one new piece of translated Stefan Lanka

>coming up soon,

>Rolf M

>

>

>At 11:56 2006-04-08 +0000, you chlobot <chlobot@...> wrote:

>

> >Hi Rolf,

> >

> >Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've

> >read some of the

> >stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It

> >makes *no* sense to

> >me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language

> >and is also very

> >technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is

> >a " laymans " synopsis.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > > either.

> >

> >----------

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Very true Rolfe, we've all danced to the beat of a different drum (sometimes an

ominous beat) at some point in our lives. When your dancing to the beat of an

autistic drum; you are now in an entirely different and all too often permanent

realm where the darkness is harder to emerge from. I'm not complaining or

feeling sorry for myself, but I damned well am for my child. No child under the

sun deserves such a cruel fate caused by so-called evolution.

Getting back to emotional events often combined with other events

simultaneously being linked to illness and malfunction, have you read much about

that?

Anita

Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

Hello Anita,

I see what you mean concerning the world today.

But actually, it ain't really such a " dark place " as it may

sometime look!

This if found out, in my heart, so to speak - long before I

" turned political " - in the late 1950s (when I did have some

quite " dark moments " too, in a sort of " late tenager crisis " ),

namely, by listening to the music of Charlie , Dizzy

Giellespie, Bud on the piano, laidies and gentlemen -

which was a " big thing " for " our " generation, and even more

so, it seems. for those (some) 5-10 years older than I, in

the USA, above all, and also here in Sweden and some other

countries in Europe. Perhaps you've heard it, or herad of it?

Much later, I've become an adherent of those (absolutely

non-vaxed!) political theorists and practitioners Marx, Lenin

and Mao Zedong; one sentence often repeated by of the latter

I think describes the actual condistions and prospects " to a

tee " :

" The future is bright, the road full of twists and turns "

And those theorists (etc) always doubted " established " science

too, though none of them got to know about that vaccination

buisiness' being really a nasty thing and in reality a terror

against most people, by those in power, as people on this

prticular list since long have discovered, above all because

of their own (often long) experience.

Rolf M.

At 07:21 2006-04-08 -0700, you (Anita Durney <mydurney@...>) wrote:

>Thanks for this Rolfe. I too was having trouble understanding the New

>Medicine. Though I only browsed the English website, I liked what I read

>about events and illnesses being linked. I truely believe this is the case

>for my sons early onset autism, but few outside the group will hear me.

>

> It does frighten me a bit as a mother having to deal with autism and

> possibly getting sick myself. My attitude on the surface is very

> positive, but beneath the surface I live in a very dark place. I suppose

> this is true on some level for all mothers and somehow throughout

> history, most manage to survive just fine.

>

> Anita

>

>Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> Hello chobot,

>

>Please let me wait a little before I try to more on that than I

>already did in the posting you're quoting.

>

>Firstly, because I'm such a beginner at this new stuff

>(New Medicine), secondly, because for today and tomorrow

>(at least), I'm pretty busy with other stuff.

>

>Which, by the way, does include a translation of a recent

>article by Stefan Lanka: " Are there and can there be

>diseasecausing viruses? "

>

>Not even at my homepage yet, but since you're asking,

>I shall soon send a kind of " preview " to this list.

>

>Otherwise, I promise to get back to you, on the bacteria too.

>

>As for me, it took me some months, after I first read about

>that new theory, to get that info to pass through my skull, so

>to speak. I've recently read a couple of books on it, and shall

>do my best, sometime later, to explain the stuff as far as

>(I hope!) I've understood it.

>

>Meanwhile, I recommend you to open that site again

>now and then, so as to give the stuff there some more

>chances, so to speak, of " seeping in " .

>

>English Homepage of The New Medicine

><http://www.newmedicine.ca/>http://www.newmedicine.ca/

>

>Something like that has been my approach anyway,

>but of course some " new angles " may be helpful too.

>

>Until later, and one new piece of translated Stefan Lanka

>coming up soon,

>Rolf M

>

>

>At 11:56 2006-04-08 +0000, you chlobot <chlobot@...> wrote:

>

> >Hi Rolf,

> >

> >Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've

> >read some of the

> >stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It

> >makes *no* sense to

> >me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language

> >and is also very

> >technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is

> >a " laymans " synopsis.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > > either.

> >

> >----------

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

A system against *toxins* the body no doubt has.

But what is " traditionally " meany by " immune system " is a

supposed " system against invading *bacteria* and *viruses* " .

It's such a system that's non-existent - if I understand things

correctly.

If one calls a defence system against toxins " an immunity

system " , this then risks being misunderstood, I believe.

Rolf M.

At 22:40 2006-04-08 +0800, you <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

>I, too, am still having trouble getting my head around this one. I've just

>read the Stefan Lanka interview and thought it was excellent. It's not so

>much that I have trouble believing that viruses do not cause disease, or

>even exist, but I am having more trouble getting my brain around the *no

>defence system* of the body. Not sure how you can deny basic anatomy and

>physiology, and if we acknowledge that we have a lymphatic system, and

>components of blood that *eat* toxins in our bodies (whatever you want to

>call them), then what is it for? I am having immense difficulty denying

>the existence of an immune system. Not sure I can ever get my brain around

>that one....

>

>Love, light and peace,

>

>Sue

>

> " As well consult a butcher on the value of vegetarianism as a doctor on the

>worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Rolf,

> >

> > Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' &

> > baceria? I've read some of the

> > stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another

> > language. It makes *no* sense to

> > me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another

> > language and is also very

> > technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if

> > there is a " laymans " synopsis.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > > either.

[Guest guest]

At 09:45 2006-04-09 -0700, you Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

>Very true Rolfe, we've all danced to the beat of a different drum

>(sometimes an ominous beat) at some point in our lives. When your dancing

>to the beat of an autistic drum; you are now in an entirely different and

>all too often permanent realm where the darkness is harder to emerge from.

>I'm not complaining or feeling sorry for myself, but I damned well am for

>my child. No child under the sun deserves such a cruel fate caused by

>so-called evolution.

No. I'm very sorry for your child and you, who have been hit by such a tragedy,

in reality, such a big crime. I gather that this list very much has as its

object

to combat such crimes and try to prevent further such from being committed.

>

> Getting back to emotional events often combined with other events

> simultaneously being linked to illness and malfunction, have you read

> much about that?

Yes, I've been having some thoughts about that since a long time back.

But not until rather recently have I tried much to get an understanding of

things

pertaining to medicine. As you've seen, I now hold that that " shocking " (not

quite) new theory about them, the New Medicine, is correct. I still only

have a rather primitive understanding if that, though.

One of the four children of a friend of mine, who's from the DR Congo

and together with whom I formed a DR Congo Committee here in Sweden

in 1998 (against the war against that country then) when he was living here

(the family has now moved to the UK), is autistic, a boy of then some 8 years.

Somehow, he seemed to understand that his father and I forming our

small alliance was a good thing, and used to welcome me when I visited

the family, which caused us all some pleasure. But on whether, or how,

such autism afflictions can be made to go away I have no idea.

Rolf M.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

> Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> Hello Anita,

>

>I see what you mean concerning the world today.

>

>But actually, it ain't really such a " dark place " as it may

>sometime look!

>

>This if found out, in my heart, so to speak - long before I

> " turned political " - in the late 1950s (when I did have some

>quite " dark moments " too, in a sort of " late tenager crisis " ),

>namely, by listening to the music of Charlie , Dizzy

>Giellespie, Bud on the piano, laidies and gentlemen -

>which was a " big thing " for " our " generation, and even more

>so, it seems. for those (some) 5-10 years older than I, in

>the USA, above all, and also here in Sweden and some other

>countries in Europe. Perhaps you've heard it, or herad of it?

>

>Much later, I've become an adherent of those (absolutely

>non-vaxed!) political theorists and practitioners Marx, Lenin

>and Mao Zedong; one sentence often repeated by of the latter

>I think describes the actual condistions and prospects " to a

>tee " :

>

> " The future is bright, the road full of twists and turns "

>

>And those theorists (etc) always doubted " established " science

>too, though none of them got to know about that vaccination

>buisiness' being really a nasty thing and in reality a terror

>against most people, by those in power, as people on this

>prticular list since long have discovered, above all because

>of their own (often long) experience.

>

>Rolf M.

>

>

>

>At 07:21 2006-04-08 -0700, you (Anita Durney <mydurney@...>) wrote:

>

> >Thanks for this Rolfe. I too was having trouble understanding the New

> >Medicine. Though I only browsed the English website, I liked what I read

> >about events and illnesses being linked. I truely believe this is the case

> >for my sons early onset autism, but few outside the group will hear me.

> >

> > It does frighten me a bit as a mother having to deal with autism and

> > possibly getting sick myself. My attitude on the surface is very

> > positive, but beneath the surface I live in a very dark place. I suppose

> > this is true on some level for all mothers and somehow throughout

> > history, most manage to survive just fine.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> > Hello chobot,

> >

> >Please let me wait a little before I try to more on that than I

> >already did in the posting you're quoting.

> >

> >Firstly, because I'm such a beginner at this new stuff

> >(New Medicine), secondly, because for today and tomorrow

> >(at least), I'm pretty busy with other stuff.

> >

> >Which, by the way, does include a translation of a recent

> >article by Stefan Lanka: " Are there and can there be

> >diseasecausing viruses? "

> >

> >Not even at my homepage yet, but since you're asking,

> >I shall soon send a kind of " preview " to this list.

> >

> >Otherwise, I promise to get back to you, on the bacteria too.

> >

> >As for me, it took me some months, after I first read about

> >that new theory, to get that info to pass through my skull, so

> >to speak. I've recently read a couple of books on it, and shall

> >do my best, sometime later, to explain the stuff as far as

> >(I hope!) I've understood it.

> >

> >Meanwhile, I recommend you to open that site again

> >now and then, so as to give the stuff there some more

> >chances, so to speak, of " seeping in " .

> >

> >English Homepage of The New Medicine

> ><<http://www.newmedicine.ca/>http://www.newmedicine.ca/>http://www.newmed

> icine.ca/

> >

> >Something like that has been my approach anyway,

> >but of course some " new angles " may be helpful too.

> >

> >Until later, and one new piece of translated Stefan Lanka

> >coming up soon,

> >Rolf M

> >

> >

> >At 11:56 2006-04-08 +0000, you chlobot <chlobot@...> wrote:

> >

> > >Hi Rolf,

> > >

> > >Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack of virus' & baceria? I've

> > >read some of the

> > >stuff on your website and it's almost as if its in another language. It

> > >makes *no* sense to

> > >me. I realize that much of it has been translated from another language

> > >and is also very

> > >technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and was wondering if there is

> > >a " laymans " synopsis.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no virus of this

> > > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza one, to begin

> > > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which many people

> > > > (including myself) have believed in during a long time

> > > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no " dangerous

> > > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body " against such

> > > > either.

> > >

> > >----------

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

yes, the body does have an immune system, or system of

defence against toxins, or whatever you wish to call

it. i met stefan lanka at one of his talks in germany

a few years ago, and everything he said made perfect

sense to me. now, i'm not sure if i can correctly

quote him, but basically, the gist of what he said was

that people have been poisoned for many generation.

that makes sense since mercury has been used in

" medicine " for hundreds of years. and whilst i don't

believe one bit in " genetically " passed down diseases,

i can very well believe in inherited weaknesses.

weaknesses that are originally caused by poisoning, be

it with mercury as a treatment or anything else. i

have no doubt that mercury will effect the dna of any

human, and, depending on how much inherited mercury

that human carries, the results may be as " simple " as

allergies (hayfever comes to mind) or as complex as

full blown autism.

so, basically, i don't think we're *prone* to

*inherit* diseases via our dna, genetically, but i

fully believe that our likelihood to come down with

any given disease (and by disease, i don't mean

measles, rubella, mumps, etc, but rather the

auto-immune ones) depends on how much poisons our

ancestors have ingested.

claudia

--- Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

> A system against *toxins* the body no doubt has.

>

> But what is " traditionally " meany by " immune system "

> is a

> supposed " system against invading *bacteria* and

> *viruses* " .

> It's such a system that's non-existent - if I

> understand things

> correctly.

>

> If one calls a defence system against toxins " an

> immunity

> system " , this then risks being misunderstood, I

> believe.

>

> Rolf M.

>

>

>

> At 22:40 2006-04-08 +0800, you

> <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

>

> >I, too, am still having trouble getting my head

> around this one. I've just

> >read the Stefan Lanka interview and thought it was

> excellent. It's not so

> >much that I have trouble believing that viruses do

> not cause disease, or

> >even exist, but I am having more trouble getting my

> brain around the *no

> >defence system* of the body. Not sure how you can

> deny basic anatomy and

> >physiology, and if we acknowledge that we have a

> lymphatic system, and

> >components of blood that *eat* toxins in our bodies

> (whatever you want to

> >call them), then what is it for? I am having

> immense difficulty denying

> >the existence of an immune system. Not sure I can

> ever get my brain around

> >that one....

> >

> >Love, light and peace,

> >

> >Sue

> >

> > " As well consult a butcher on the value of

> vegetarianism as a doctor on the

> >worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi Rolf,

> > >

> > > Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack

> of virus' &

> > > baceria? I've read some of the

> > > stuff on your website and it's almost as if its

> in another

> > > language. It makes *no* sense to

> > > me. I realize that much of it has been

> translated from another

> > > language and is also very

> > > technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and

> was wondering if

> > > there is a " laymans " synopsis.

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no

> virus of this

> > > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza

> one, to begin

> > > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which

> many people

> > > > (including myself) have believed in during a

> long time

> > > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no

> " dangerous

> > > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body "

> against such

> > > > either.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Perhaps it won't do any harm if people go on calling that defence system,

which is really (as I now understand) only against toxins (not against

" dangerous invading germs " ), an " immune defence " , which we're all

so very much used to. One should remember, though, I hold, that it's

really a little misleading. Something like people sometimes still

talking about " the ether " , concerning radio/TV, many decades after

it was found out that there really isn't any ether.

Rolf M.

At 14:42 2006-04-11 -0700, you <claudiaayaz@...>

wrote:

>yes, the body does have an immune system, or system of

>defence against toxins, or whatever you wish to call

>it. i met stefan lanka at one of his talks in germany

>a few years ago, and everything he said made perfect

>sense to me. now, i'm not sure if i can correctly

>quote him, but basically, the gist of what he said was

>that people have been poisoned for many generation.

>that makes sense since mercury has been used in

> " medicine " for hundreds of years. and whilst i don't

>believe one bit in " genetically " passed down diseases,

>i can very well believe in inherited weaknesses.

>weaknesses that are originally caused by poisoning, be

>it with mercury as a treatment or anything else. i

>have no doubt that mercury will effect the dna of any

>human, and, depending on how much inherited mercury

>that human carries, the results may be as " simple " as

>allergies (hayfever comes to mind) or as complex as

>full blown autism.

>so, basically, i don't think we're *prone* to

>*inherit* diseases via our dna, genetically, but i

>fully believe that our likelihood to come down with

>any given disease (and by disease, i don't mean

>measles, rubella, mumps, etc, but rather the

>auto-immune ones) depends on how much poisons our

>ancestors have ingested.

>claudia

>

>--- Rolf Martens <rolf.martens@...> wrote:

>

> > A system against *toxins* the body no doubt has.

> >

> > But what is " traditionally " meany by " immune system "

> > is a

> > supposed " system against invading *bacteria* and

> > *viruses* " .

> > It's such a system that's non-existent - if I

> > understand things

> > correctly.

> >

> > If one calls a defence system against toxins " an

> > immunity

> > system " , this then risks being misunderstood, I

> > believe.

> >

> > Rolf M.

> >

> >

> >

> > At 22:40 2006-04-08 +0800, you

> > <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> >

> > >I, too, am still having trouble getting my head

> > around this one. I've just

> > >read the Stefan Lanka interview and thought it was

> > excellent. It's not so

> > >much that I have trouble believing that viruses do

> > not cause disease, or

> > >even exist, but I am having more trouble getting my

> > brain around the *no

> > >defence system* of the body. Not sure how you can

> > deny basic anatomy and

> > >physiology, and if we acknowledge that we have a

> > lymphatic system, and

> > >components of blood that *eat* toxins in our bodies

> > (whatever you want to

> > >call them), then what is it for? I am having

> > immense difficulty denying

> > >the existence of an immune system. Not sure I can

> > ever get my brain around

> > >that one....

> > >

> > >Love, light and peace,

> > >

> > >Sue

> > >

> > > " As well consult a butcher on the value of

> > vegetarianism as a doctor on the

> > >worth of vaccination. " - Bernard Shaw

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi Rolf,

> > > >

> > > > Can you explain in laymans terms about the lack

> > of virus' &

> > > > baceria? I've read some of the

> > > > stuff on your website and it's almost as if its

> > in another

> > > > language. It makes *no* sense to

> > > > me. I realize that much of it has been

> > translated from another

> > > > language and is also very

> > > > technical to begin with. So I am at a loss and

> > was wondering if

> > > > there is a " laymans " synopsis.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > No " virus " will ever mutate, since there is no

> > virus of this

> > > > > purported type, a harmful bird flu or infuenza

> > one, to begin

> > > > > with. And actually, that " immune system " which

> > many people

> > > > > (including myself) have believed in during a

> > long time

> > > > > doesn't exist either. Since there are no

> > " dangerous

> > > > > invaders " , there is no " defence in the body "

> > against such

> > > > > either.