Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 My letter: Dear Sir Given the contents of Nigel Hawkes' article in yesterday's Times 2, was the headline 'Your child next?' in any way justifiable? Although saddened to hear of the death of the traveller boy from measles, at no point in Mr Hawkes' coverage did I read the fact that the child had been on immunosuppressants for a chronic lung condition. The correct coverage should therefore have been 'Immunosuppressant drugs render normally harmless childhood illness fatal' and not the alarmist 'measles kills'. Parents have a hard enough time trying to make sense of the science without being made to justify a decision that they are (so far) free to make. Mr Hawkes' opinions on the matter are irrelevant, and he is guilty of a similar " high level of emotional engagement " so readily dismissed when it comes to mere parents. There is one point I agree with him: irresponsible media coverage was at the heart of the original MMR 'crisis', and yesterday, in The Times 2, it continued. Yours faithfully > > Oh dear. A journalist with a guilt complex. Now who's being > hysterical? > > K > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2118360,00.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 response to Nigel Hawkes article was excellent. Calm, reasoned and most importantly, right on target. It may have helped old Nigel's "professional credibility" had he actually raised the compromised immune system of the child who died, but, that would have prevented the editors from using their "Your Child Next?" headline. Great job !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Hi , Excellent letter! Did it get published? If so, is there a link to it? If not, may I please reprint it on my website? Thanks, Sandy From: EOHarm [mailto:EOHarm ] On Behalf Of Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 1:04 AM EOHarm Subject: Re: Your child next? My letter: Dear Sir Given the contents of Nigel Hawkes' article in yesterday's Times 2, was the headline 'Your child next?' in any way justifiable? Although saddened to hear of the death of the traveller boy from measles, at no point in Mr Hawkes' coverage did I read the fact that the child had been on immunosuppressants for a chronic lung condition. The correct coverage should therefore have been 'Immunosuppressant drugs render normally harmless childhood illness fatal' and not the alarmist 'measles kills'. Parents have a hard enough time trying to make sense of the science without being made to justify a decision that they are (so far) free to make. Mr Hawkes' opinions on the matter are irrelevant, and he is guilty of a similar " high level of emotional engagement " so readily dismissed when it comes to mere parents. There is one point I agree with him: irresponsible media coverage was at the heart of the original MMR 'crisis', and yesterday, in The Times 2, it continued. Yours faithfully > > Oh dear. A journalist with a guilt complex. Now who's being > hysterical? > > K > > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2118360,00.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote: Your child next? By Nigel Hawkes As measles claims a teenage boy's life, public health professionals fear a new outbreak becasue parents were panicked into rejecting MMR Measles is back: not in regiments, but in numbers sufficient to send a shiver down many parents’ spines. There have been more confirmed cases of the disease in the first three months of the year than in the whole of 2005. One boy has died, the first measles death since 1992. Nine have needed hospital treatment. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 You are so right K. Do you mind if I use this as a question in my presentations along the line of vaccines? It helps bring it together. This is worded beautifully. The second paragraph would be the one I would want to use. You are full of wisdom, Jenn L Re: Your child next? My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote: Your child next? By Nigel Hawkes As measles claims a teenage boy's life, public health professionals fear a new outbreak becasue parents were panicked into rejecting MMR Measles is back: not in regiments, but in numbers sufficient to send a shiver down many parents' spines. There have been more confirmed cases of the disease in the first three months of the year than in the whole of 2005. One boy has died, the first measles death since 1992. Nine have needed hospital treatment. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Be my guest, Jenn. Ingrid actually made a similar comment last week, and that got me thinking about it in that light. So, I can't take all the credit. : ) Kay Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: You are so right K. Do you mind if I use this as a question in my presentations along the line of vaccines? It helps bring it together. This is worded beautifully. The second paragraph would be the one I would want to use. You are full of wisdom, Jenn L Re: Your child next? My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Yes, Kay and Jen, I made a comment about the fact that every time there are outbreaks of measles, mumps, bird flu, whooping cough or whatever other diseases that vaccines exist for, they are making headlines in the papers and parents are being frightened to vaccinate their kids. Yet, every time when a baby or child is diagnosed with autism,diabetes, leukemia, asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease etc. nothing is being said about that. And trust me, this happens every single day, every minute of every single day, it is much more a pandemic than any flu, any measles, any mumps, whooping cough etc. And, if we know how to strenghten a child with excl. breastfeeding, healthy, organic food, homeopathy or other alternative therapies, supplements etc. none of these children would die from complications from these diseases, not a single one. Try and tell this to a doctor or pharma pesrson, they think you are crazy. Why do we not get articles like this in mainstream newspapers? Because they are not fully independent and they can't print what they want to print. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Yes, Kay and Jen, (Jen, feel free to use this for other lists or any other sources of info) I made a comment about the fact that every time there are outbreaks of measles, mumps, bird flu, whooping cough or whatever other diseases that vaccines exist for, they are making headlines in the papers and parents are being frightened to vaccinate their kids. Yet, every time when a baby or child is diagnosed with autism,diabetes, leukemia, asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease etc. nothing is being said about that. And trust me, this happens every single day, every minute of every single day, it is much more a pandemic than any flu, any measles, any mumps, whooping cough etc. And, if we know how to strenghten a child with excl. breastfeeding, healthy, organic food, homeopathy or other alternative therapies, supplements etc. none of these children would die from complications from these diseases, not a single one. Try and tell this to a doctor or pharma pesrson, they think you are crazy. Why do we not get articles like this in mainstream newspapers? Because they are not fully independent and they can't print what they want to print. Ingrid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 " Measles is back: not in regiments, but in numbers sufficient to send a shiver down many parents' spines. " I am just turning 60 and this statement really mystifies me. When I got measles it was a nuisance not a cause for " shivers " . I had to stay home in bed and get bored. If she felt like it my mom would bring me some soup. If not...well...whatever. How did we come to this state? And if we don't do something about it the next generations will really believe that measles is a killer. (Are a killer?) I also remember getting either measles and mumps or chicken pox and mumps at the same time. No biggie. Just stayed home a day or two longer. How sad that today's kids are being taught to be afraid of everything. Zimmerman said that the worst thing a parent could do was to teach a child to be afraid. Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Can I just tell them a friend asked the question? I do feel as though all my listmates are friends. Especially those who have taught me a more natural way of living and healing;). Thanks, Jenn L Re: Your child next? My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Thanks to Kay and Ingrid. Good stuff, Jenn L Re: Your child next? > Yes, Kay and Jen, (Jen, feel free to use this for other lists or any > other sources of info) > > I made a comment about the fact that every time there are outbreaks > of measles, mumps, bird flu, whooping cough or whatever other diseases > that vaccines exist for, they are making headlines in the papers and > parents are being frightened to vaccinate their kids. > > Yet, every time when a baby or child is diagnosed with > autism,diabetes, leukemia, asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease etc. > nothing is being said about that. > And trust me, this happens every single day, every minute of every > single day, it is much more a pandemic than any flu, any measles, any > mumps, whooping cough etc. > > And, if we know how to strenghten a child with excl. breastfeeding, > healthy, organic food, homeopathy or other alternative therapies, > supplements etc. none of these children would die from complications > from these diseases, not a single one. > > Try and tell this to a doctor or pharma pesrson, they think you are > crazy. > Why do we not get articles like this in mainstream newspapers? Because > they are not fully independent and they can't print what they want to > print. > Ingrid > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 That's fine by me, Jen. I know what you mean. The friends I have made from this list are among my most cherished! I don't have anyone in " real " life that is on the same page as me in regards to health issues. So this list has been a lifesaver for me! Kay Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: Can I just tell them a friend asked the question? I do feel as though all my listmates are friends. Especially those who have taught me a more natural way of living and healing;). Thanks, Jenn L --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Me too! I think I may have found a HP only a couple of states away that may be able to help my K. Her name is Tricia and Sheri referred us to her. She contacted me recently by email. Pray for us! Jenn L Re: Your child next? > That's fine by me, Jen. I know what you mean. The friends I have made from this list are among my most cherished! I don't have anyone in " real " life that is on the same page as me in regards to health issues. So this list has been a lifesaver for me! > > Kay > > Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: > Can I just tell them a friend asked the question? I do feel as though all my > listmates are friends. Especially those who have taught me a more natural > way of living and healing;). Thanks, Jenn L > > > --------------------------------- > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1 & cent;/min. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 LOL My husband lovingly called me a geek the other day when I mentioned my " cyber friends " . I know how you feel Jenn. Anita Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: Can I just tell them a friend asked the question? I do feel as though all my listmates are friends. Especially those who have taught me a more natural way of living and healing;). Thanks, Jenn L Re: Your child next? My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 I would not recognize myself if I looked into the future to now 10 yrs. ago. I was honestly wasting my time then.....My REAL computer friends;) Jenn L Re: Your child next? My question is HOW were the measles treated in these children who are becoming sick enough to be hospitalized and the one that died? What are their medical histories? More likely than not they've been treated allopathically with fever reducers and such. WE know what those do to an already compromised body, but unfortunately the allopathic world doesn't seem to know or care. There's always so much more to the story than what the public ever knows. One child dies of the measles (which is horrific for that child's family and an awful tragedy), but what about the children dying from vaccines, or being sentenced to a life of autism or other chronic disease issues from vaccines??? THOSE children don't make it into the newspapers! Kay --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2006 Report Share Posted April 9, 2006 Ingrid, There's an obviously very well-informed group of people in Germany who're saying the same things as you (and many others) and from whom I've recently learned a lot. They are not getting into the mainstream media either, but have some success with leaflets etc and not least Internet information. Some stuff of theirs I'm quoting in translation in a couple of articles at my homepage (which include some political statements by me), above all: Stefan Lanka interview 27.10.2005, in English translation: http://rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_251en.html The below website, with a " shocking " new theory in medicine (I've gotten convinced it's correct!) among other things agrees with you on those points too: English Homepage of The New Medicine http://www.newmedicine.ca/ Rolf M. At 19:00 2006-04-09 +0000, you ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: >Yes, Kay and Jen, >I made a comment about the fact that every time there are outbreaks >of measles, mumps, bird flu, whooping cough or whatever other diseases >that vaccines exist for, they are making headlines in the papers and >parents are being frightened to vaccinate their kids. > >Yet, every time when a baby or child is diagnosed with >autism,diabetes, leukemia, asthma, allergies, autoimmune disease etc. >nothing is being said about that. >And trust me, this happens every single day, every minute of every >single day, it is much more a pandemic than any flu, any measles, any >mumps, whooping cough etc. > >And, if we know how to strenghten a child with excl. breastfeeding, >healthy, organic food, homeopathy or other alternative therapies, >supplements etc. none of these children would die from complications >from these diseases, not a single one. > >Try and tell this to a doctor or pharma pesrson, they think you are >crazy. >Why do we not get articles like this in mainstream newspapers? Because >they are not fully independent and they can't print what they want to >print. >Ingrid > >---------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 That's wonderful, Jenn! Is she the one in Rhode Island? I will certainly pray that your precious daughter will be helped. Please keep us posted. Kay Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: Me too! I think I may have found a HP only a couple of states away that may be able to help my K. Her name is Tricia and Sheri referred us to her. She contacted me recently by email. Pray for us! Jenn L __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Yes. Tricia is from Rhode Island. She's been out of town on business. I guess she has a radio show too. I can't wait to hear back from you. Jenn L Re: Your child next? > That's wonderful, Jenn! Is she the one in Rhode Island? I will certainly pray that your precious daughter will be helped. Please keep us posted. > > Kay > > Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: > Me too! I think I may have found a HP only a couple of states away that may > be able to help my K. Her name is Tricia and Sheri referred us to her. She > contacted me recently by email. Pray for us! Jenn L > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 > > I am really not sure where this man has left his intelligence or common > sense.... > > Is he accurate in saying that the MMR is only under question in the UK? I > thought other countries also had severe reservations...? > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2118360,00.html > > Your child next? > By Nigel Hawkes > > What's interesting about nonsense like this is that these journalists always fail to state the other side of the equation. Before vaccination Measles was a " childhood disease " and the people who are diagnosed with Measles often are not yet in " childhood " , they are infants that are not of age to get the shots, or they are adults. One of the problems with immunization is that it has shifted the ages at which people get these diseases. Another phenomenon of vaccination is that despite the widespread vaccination of the U.S. and Great Britain, Measles and Pertussis still show up in a cyclic nature about every three-four years (Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report. US Govt. 01/01/02;51:73-76), whether a person is vaccinated against these deseases or not, outbreaks still occur. The best for last; what about " Herd Immunity " Nigel? The crutch by which the medical profession justifies vaccination? Those of us who are informed know that Herd Immunity was based on natural aquired immunity, not artificial (vaccination). So if the abundance of the population is vaccinated why is there worry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I just read the article again and am not surprised at what journalists will write just to sell their papers. Ingrid http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,7-2118360,00.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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