Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 At 02:04 PM 3/25/2006 -0500, you wrote: >I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, those who do not. Thank! > s. Jenn L I have the same concern as you hear it over and over - people thinking they are safe with mercury out (and there is some evidence that it isn't out afterall - more will come on that in the future). No person should be given a vaccine period! Yes, it all makes me sick too. Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I agree with you. I started learning about vaccines after I had to have a puppy put to sleep after becoming ill due to being vaccinated. We had our weimaraner bred, after her puppies were born we had them vaccinated. There were two puppies in the litter that had hernias at there bellybuttons. One puppy in the litter was always withdrawn. I thought that perhaps he was just laid back, he looked healthy, he was the biggest puppy in the litter and was the fattest. I took him in to have his hernia fixed and to have him neutered. He became very ill after the surgery. We didn't think he was going to make it. The vet told me after running some tests that he had auto immune disease. A homeopath called it vaccinosis. I treated him with homeopath but he was so susceptible to infection that he got an unknown infection allover his face, open sores and very horrible to see. I decided that he was so young and was never going to have a " normal " life and had him put to sleep. My vet agreed that the auto immune was caused from him being vaccinated and genetics. His immune system was already so low because of the vaccines. We did not know that he was sick from vaccine damage and then we had the hernia surgery. It was to much and put him over the edge. If this can happen with dogs than it could very easily happen to us. I was later informed that he had received a vaccine that weimaraners should not get. If certain breeds of dogs should not get certain vaccines than how can they say that all vaccines are good for all people. That is how I got here. I am learning every day. My 4 yr old has been vaccinated and will not get any more. I am only thankful that I am learning because of my puppies illness and not my childs. Mercury in vaccines.. > I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, those who do not. Thanks > . Jenn L > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 This worries me too and I used to not like Kirby for only speaking out against the mercury in vaccines and then I noticed by doing that and not attacking the whole vaccine, he was being heard and taken seriously and on cable news networks etc. I still don't know where he stands, but I'm hoping he's smart enough, and I feel he is, to know there are so many more dangers lurking in the syringe than mercury. He has collaborated with Wakefield and his team of doctors before and these two camps have come together more than once to recognise the devasting affects of the MMR (no mercury) as well as the thimerisol containing vaccines. Like Kirby's seemingly incomplete knowledge of vaccine dangers, Wakefield's recommendation was to seperate and give individually; hopefully he is more enlightened by now. Like everything else, it's a waiting game and once these guys prove their points and the mask of lies is lifted for all to see the truth, only then can they reveal their true feelings about all vaccines. I stopped not liking them and secretly imagine and openly hope they have a MUCH bigger agenda at the end of the day. Anita Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, those who do not. Thanks. Jenn L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 , At what age did you have your Weim puppies vaxed? I don't know a lot about that particular breed, but I have heard that they have a lot of autoimmune disease. It's SO highly unusual to have one crash with a crisis like that at such a young age. Was it 's? Often, a stress like surgery will cause dogs like that to crash, if they are ian. I'm so sorry that happenned. Did you test the parents for autoimmune thyroiditis prior to the breeding? You should always make sure breeding animals have thyroids done yearly. Do you have vWD in Weims? Umbilical Hernias are genetic, also. Mostly they happen in males. If you plan another breeding of the bitch, try another sire and see if things are fine. Sorry again this happened. I don't vac anything anymore, except when I have a breeding, I do puppies at 12 weeks only, and then nothing ever again... unless I have to ship a puppy to be shown, then you have to in order to fly them. Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I know this is off topic for this group but would appreciate it if you would allow me to post It was very early. I don't know exactly how many wks but I would guess around 5. Whenever I had them vaxed was what was recommended to me and of course at the time I did not know any different. When I had him put to sleep he was about 10 months old. I did not have any test run and do not plan on breeding again. We had a scare with diamond dog food recall and my weim got sick. I also have 2 other dogs that were not effected although I was told that not all dogs were that ate it. She became very withdrawn and just laid around. She was not eating or drinking. We had to take my weim to the ER and they found no toxins in her blood from the dog food but said it could be that she hadn't eaten for 3 days. Also the formula of diamond that we bought was lamb and rice. It wasn't suppose to have any corn in it (the corn is what was toxic) although the lot # and sell by date on our bag matched the recall. The day we took her to the vet she had started to limp on her right front leg. The pain seemed to be at her shoulder/elbow area. My parents live in the country and we had visited them the weekend before. She does a lot of running there so we didn't know if the lameness was from that. She recovered fine and when I asked the vet if it wasn't the food that made her sick what else could it be and she said auto immune. My heart sank. She is also the mother of the puppy we had put down. The vet also said that it was rare for a dog to recover that quickly without steroids at minimum. All they gave her was fluids and anti inflammatory.I started feeding raw and decided no more vaccines. You seem to be knowledgeable about this so do you have any thoughts? If it is auto immune that she has what can I do or how do I find out? All of this happened the first wk in January and we have not had any more problems since that time. I am concerned and would like all the help I can get. She is about 6 yrs old. Other than that we have not ever had any problems with her. She has not been vaxed for about 2 yrs now. Thanks Beth if you would like you can email me privately jreimund@... Re: Mercury in vaccines.. > , > > At what age did you have your Weim puppies vaxed? I don't know a lot > about that particular breed, but I have heard that they have a lot of > autoimmune disease. It's SO highly unusual to have one crash with a > crisis like that at such a young age. Was it 's? Often, a > stress like surgery will cause dogs like that to crash, if they are > ian. I'm so sorry that happenned. Did you test the parents for > autoimmune thyroiditis prior to the breeding? You should always make > sure breeding animals have thyroids done yearly. Do you have vWD in > Weims? Umbilical Hernias are genetic, also. Mostly they happen in > males. If you plan another breeding of the bitch, try another sire and > see if things are fine. Sorry again this happened. I don't vac > anything anymore, except when I have a breeding, I do puppies at 12 > weeks only, and then nothing ever again... unless I have to ship a puppy > to be shown, then you have to in order to fly them. > > Beth > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 If it makes a difference, he alone got through to me. Kirby's book was the first book on vaccines that I read. From just that book alone, I got much more of the picture than just the problems with mercury. I also found out about the dangers of live virus vaccines, as well as the corruption and denial in the government agencies, the general nastiness of the companies that manufacture and sell vaccines, and the total BS behind the recommended vaccination schedule. He is the one who broke through for me and got me to question vaccines just months before our second child was born. I also recognized my son in the pages of his book, and I understood for the first time what was wrong with him, and now we're on the track to healing. B. > > I still don't know where he stands, but I'm hoping he's smart enough, and I feel he is, to know there are so many more dangers lurking in the syringe than mercury. >..... > Like everything else, it's a waiting game and once these guys prove their points and the mask of lies is lifted for all to see the truth, only then can they reveal their true feelings about all vaccines. I stopped not liking them and secretly imagine and openly hope they have a MUCH bigger agenda at the end of the day. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 His book has helped thousands. He will be the keynote speaker at the 3rd annual Autism Fair/Conference on Long Island April 1st sponsored by the NAA. A friend of mine who moderates the just parents for autism group I belong to is also the coordinator of the big event. She has met him several times and is a huge fan. I'll probably pick up his book there and get it signed. My son was never vaccinated, but still ended up autistic. Because I never believed his autism was caused by mercury poisining, I wasn't really motivated to read his book when there were so many other things I felt I needed to read. I hope to have an opportunity to ask him how he feels about vaccines in general and if he thinks they have any place in healthcare. Anita " B. " <llp33@...> wrote: If it makes a difference, he alone got through to me. Kirby's book was the first book on vaccines that I read. From just that book alone, I got much more of the picture than just the problems with mercury. I also found out about the dangers of live virus vaccines, as well as the corruption and denial in the government agencies, the general nastiness of the companies that manufacture and sell vaccines, and the total BS behind the recommended vaccination schedule. He is the one who broke through for me and got me to question vaccines just months before our second child was born. I also recognized my son in the pages of his book, and I understood for the first time what was wrong with him, and now we're on the track to healing. B. > > I still don't know where he stands, but I'm hoping he's smart enough, and I feel he is, to know there are so many more dangers lurking in the syringe than mercury. >..... > Like everything else, it's a waiting game and once these guys prove their points and the mask of lies is lifted for all to see the truth, only then can they reveal their true feelings about all vaccines. I stopped not liking them and secretly imagine and openly hope they have a MUCH bigger agenda at the end of the day. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I knew Sheri would feel this way. I didn't think of it with pets though. We have always had a cat up until 4 months ago and we just kept her indoors because we wouldn't vaccinate her. It is interesting that different races of people have different susceptibilities so, I see your point about this issue as well. Thanks for your responses. Jenn L Mercury in vaccines.. > > > > I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the > government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding > behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not > disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I > couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all > children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, > cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason > I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That > includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use > the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you > are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of > thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I > want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, > those who do not. Thanks > > . Jenn L > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 We can only pray and educate others;) Jenn L Re: Mercury in vaccines.. > This worries me too and I used to not like Kirby for only speaking out against the mercury in vaccines and then I noticed by doing that and not attacking the whole vaccine, he was being heard and taken seriously and on cable news networks etc. > > I still don't know where he stands, but I'm hoping he's smart enough, and I feel he is, to know there are so many more dangers lurking in the syringe than mercury. > > He has collaborated with Wakefield and his team of doctors before and these two camps have come together more than once to recognise the devasting affects of the MMR (no mercury) as well as the thimerisol containing vaccines. Like Kirby's seemingly incomplete knowledge of vaccine dangers, Wakefield's recommendation was to seperate and give individually; hopefully he is more enlightened by now. > > Like everything else, it's a waiting game and once these guys prove their points and the mask of lies is lifted for all to see the truth, only then can they reveal their true feelings about all vaccines. I stopped not liking them and secretly imagine and openly hope they have a MUCH bigger agenda at the end of the day. > > Anita > > Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote: > I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, those who do not. Thanks. Jenn > L > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 Hi , just out of curiosity, how responsive to anti vax info would you say you were before the puppy incident. Personally, I came here to do research for someone else, found information that blew me away, and have been here ever since. But I never really had anyone come to me and say vaccines were bad, before that. I just figured people should have the right to not vaccinate if they so wish. I owe my friend a lot really, just for the fact he got me looking into it all. And his concerns were only aroused by Wakefield. It was back when his studies were all over the news. Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote: I agree with you. I started learning about vaccines after I had to have a puppy put to sleep after becoming ill due to being vaccinated. We had our weimaraner bred, after her puppies were born we had them vaccinated. There were two puppies in the litter that had hernias at there bellybuttons. One puppy in the litter was always withdrawn. I thought that perhaps he was just laid back, he looked healthy, he was the biggest puppy in the litter and was the fattest. I took him in to have his hernia fixed and to have him neutered. He became very ill after the surgery. We didn't think he was going to make it. The vet told me after running some tests that he had auto immune disease. A homeopath called it vaccinosis. I treated him with homeopath but he was so susceptible to infection that he got an unknown infection allover his face, open sores and very horrible to see. I decided that he was so young and was never going to have a " normal " life and had him put to sleep. My vet agreed that the auto immune was caused from him being vaccinated and genetics. His immune system was already so low because of the vaccines. We did not know that he was sick from vaccine damage and then we had the hernia surgery. It was to much and put him over the edge. If this can happen with dogs than it could very easily happen to us. I was later informed that he had received a vaccine that weimaraners should not get. If certain breeds of dogs should not get certain vaccines than how can they say that all vaccines are good for all people. That is how I got here. I am learning every day. My 4 yr old has been vaccinated and will not get any more. I am only thankful that I am learning because of my puppies illness and not my childs. Mercury in vaccines.. > I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, those who do not. Thanks > . Jenn L > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 To ask if I was responsive or non responsive I don't think is the proper question. No matter how naive this may sound it really never occurred to me to ever question it. I didn't like getting my child vaccinated but don't really know if it was a gut feeling or being a mom and not like seeing someone hurt my child. I think that we are as a society trusting of others and assume that no one would intentionally harm our children especially Drs. I think that there are others out there just like me that it hasn't occurred to them to question vaccines. I don't think for one second every one that has their children vaccinated do it because they feel like vaccines are the answer but because we are told to. I don't know why I wouldn't have thought that vaccines were harmful. I just didn't know better, and my philosophy is when we know better we do better and that is what I am doing. We need to know what our rights are and use them. I live in OH and will soon begin the journey of getting my child into school without having him vaccinated any more. Friends think I've lost it and I have a mother-in-law that is a RN. I have not even mentioned this to her. I know it would just be a big discussion and I do not need to discuss it. Keep me in your thoughts. Kindergarten clinic is first wk of May. Mercury in vaccines.. > > > > I am worried people might think it's safe to get a vaccine if the > government took out the thimerasol. Is this what the gov't is doing? Hiding > behind the mercury so that the other ingredients in the vaccines are not > disclosed to a lg. # of people? I have been deep in thought lately. Also, I > couldn't stand it when Imus said that he was for vaccines. Was he saying all > children or just the autistics or what? I don't think children with asthma, > cp, autism or any other disability should get them. And, this is the reason > I believe this: No person should be given a vaccine if they are ill. That > includes the flu, ear infections and disabilities. How can a sick body use > the vaccine the way it was intended? And, after the very first vaccine you > are given, you have fallen ill to it. How backwards is our gov'ts way of > thinking? It all makes me sick. Please anyone, join in on this dicussion. I > want to see how many other people share my opinion about this. And also, > those who do not. Thanks > > . Jenn L > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2006 Report Share Posted March 25, 2006 I will , I have been very lucky here. I have never had a single person question my non vax stance. I haven't even had to get the conscientious objection form yet. Far North Queensland tends to be the place where all us alternative lifestyle types congregate I guess. Probably because of the cleaner living due to the tropical rainforest. Fieldman Rob and Reimund <jreimund@...> wrote: Keep me in your thoughts. Kindergarten clinic is first wk of May. Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 At 06:45 PM 3/25/2006 -0600, you wrote: >To ask if I was responsive or non responsive I don't think is the proper >question. No matter how naive this may sound it really never occurred to me >to ever question it. I didn't like getting my child vaccinated but don't >really know if it was a gut feeling or being a mom and not like seeing >someone hurt my child. I think that we are as a society trusting of others >and assume that no one would intentionally harm our children especially Drs. >I think that there are others out there just like me that it hasn't occurred >to them to question vaccines. I don't think for one second every one that >has their children vaccinated do it because they feel like vaccines are the >answer but because we are told to. I don't know why I wouldn't have thought >that vaccines were harmful. I just didn't know better, and my philosophy is >when we know better we do better and that is what I am doing. We need to >know what our rights are and use them. I live in OH and will soon begin the >journey of getting my child into school without having him vaccinated any >more. Friends think I've lost it and I have a mother-in-law that is a RN. I >have not even mentioned this to her. I know it would just be a big >discussion and I do not need to discuss it. >Keep me in your thoughts. Kindergarten clinic is first wk of May. > Yes, you and so many others, just don't think to question it - just like so many other things you are learning about now. Andyou will not have problem with the school if you do exactly as I have shared. Print the law. Make a statement with the wording of the law. Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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