Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

[Guest guest]

I was just about to ask some of these questions! Very curious.

Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no vaxxes

were given?

What do you think the reason is for your child?

Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

April

[Guest guest]

I can't speak for others April, but I believe traumatic events immediately

following the letdown of my breastmilk were too much for him. To keep it brief,

he coughed when the milk came on his third day of life (we were still in

hospital because of a c-section) and an overzealous nurse was present and took

away without really giving me enough time to calm him down. Next thing I knew he

was on his way to Stony Brook University Hospital and mainlined with two types

of powerful antibiotics.

He was seperated from me rightt after his first taste of mothers milk for

nothing more than fear of aspiration and then given precautionary drugs just in

case. He may have been genetically fragile, either way, this was too much for

him and he experienced very early onset autism.

Anita

wings <wingsout@...> wrote:

Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no vaxxes

were given?

What do you think the reason is for your child?

Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

April

[Guest guest]

Autism is individual to each child with so many variables, so it would be

impossible, I think, to tell the difference between vaxed vs unvaxed autistic

children. My boy is classically autistic in that he has no language (never did),

is quite bright but can't fully process information so he doesn't always appear

to be, is extremely rigid in his routine, is uncontrollably repetitive, and is

incapable of playing appropriately or with other children. He does have good

relationships with us and I am very grateful for that. He has showed remarkable

receptive growth since he started his homeopathic remedy back in December. I

believe this is because information is now beginning to process where it has

always gotten stuck inside. Because of apraxia, I don't think language is going

to ever be easy for him if it comes at all, but with the right remedy, anything

is possible.

Anita

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote:

I was just about to ask some of these questions! Very curious.

Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no vaxxes

were given?

What do you think the reason is for your child?

Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

April

[Guest guest]

Anita, how awful for both of you.

I personally have come to believe that early use of antibiotics plays

a major role. I believe it did in my son's case. He was on

amoxicillin from an hour after birth to age six months. It was

supposed to be an important preventive measure because of a kidney

defect he was born with. The logic was that he was extremely

vulnerable to an infection because one kidney could not drain, and

that any infection would finish off the fragile kidney and

would be very dangerous to him in general, so he was on it until after

his kidney surgery and follow-up tests were complete. I didn't know

anything then about how antibiotics can mess up the digestive and

immune systems. That damage can start the ball rolling for leaky gut,

chronic bowel problems, multiple food sensitivities, chronic

infections, malabsorption of nutrients, nutritional deficiencies...all

underlying components of autistic spectrum problems. Since learning

all this, so many times I've wished I could turn back time and refuse

them.

B.

>

Next thing I knew he was on his way to Stony Brook University

Hospital and mainlined with two types of powerful antibiotics.

>

> He was seperated from me rightt after his first taste of mothers

milk for nothing more than fear of aspiration and then given

precautionary drugs just in case. He may have been genetically

fragile, either way, this was too much for him and he experienced very

early onset autism.

>

> Anita

>

[Guest guest]

At 04:39 PM 3/25/2006 -0600, you wrote:

>Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no

vaxxes were given?

>

> What do you think the reason is for your child?

>

>Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

>

>April

>

I will just answer for what I have observed for many (and I will be doing a

study on this as soon as I can, by interviewing parents)

1. Children who are autistic with no vaccines all have it from birth,

basically - NEVER have I seen a case of regression after 1 year of age, or

after some period of a normal infancy etc, that we see with other children

who are vaccinated. I know of NO cases that have regressed into autism

after a normal infancy with no vaccines. ( Infants who are vaccinated can

regress at any point in time after any vaccine.)

Any of the following (not all but any or all)

2. Antibiotic use during pregnancy, delivery & post natal (either given to

the infant or given to the breastfeeding mom)

3. Other drugs used during pregnancy - legal and illegal - primarily legal

4. Drugs used at delivery especially pitocin

5. Rhogam given in some cases to RHneg moms during pregnancy - which is

inexcusable - see my webpages on this

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/rhogam.htm

These are the keys I think for those that have autism and have not been

vaccinated.

Also there are some that HAVE in fact been given hep b vax in the nursery

against parents wishes, or without their knowledge...............and

sometimes parent doesn't realize until checks the hospital records. Or an

over zealous nurse gives and doesn't record.

Sheri>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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[Guest guest]

Could you tell with him as an infant that he was autistic? Just curious, I just

think it would be so hard to tell with them that little!

And by language do you just mean words and sentences type thing, or as a baby he

never did the " mama " " dada " , etc type stuff?

If its too much for you to answer these I totally understand, I'm just trying to

learn more about it!

Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no

vaxxes were given?

What do you think the reason is for your child?

Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

April

[Guest guest]

I don't mind sharing . If it helps one person, it's worth it. In

retrospect, his autism is much clearer. At the time, we just figured he'd been

through so much for a little guy and was shy and mistrusting. He was the most

silent baby with some bah's at several months that were fleeting and back to

silence for the next 3+ years. We knew something was wrong when we realised he

NEVER responded to his own name and couldn't be distracted from his little

world. After his 1st Birthday came and went and Henry was still indifferent, we

knew we had to get him evaluated and he began receiving services at the

beginning of his 17th month.

Now he babbles, mostly rythcally to musical words or music. He can say yes

when I prompt him, but only in a whisper. He can fill in words to songs like Old

Mac and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star, but they are fragments of words and

very hard for him to motor plan the response.

What's more important than expressive language, to me, is receptive language

which shows us he understands what is being said to him and is beginning to

respond to simple requests other than the few tricks drilled into him by his

school through what they call 'trials'. Couldn't think of better word for what

he endures each day to do what comes so naturally to most other children.

I feel the homeopathic remedy he takes each day has aided greatly in the

remarkable receptive growth he has shown these past few months. Every teacher at

his school has commented on how his eye's are different in that his looks are

less gazing and more meaningful and have intent. As a result, his teachers can

set higher academic goals and achieve more successes...and they are. :~)

Anita

Could you tell with him as an infant that he was autistic? Just curious, I

just think it would be so hard to tell with them that little!

And by language do you just mean words and sentences type thing, or as a baby he

never did the " mama " " dada " , etc type stuff?

If its too much for you to answer these I totally understand, I'm just trying to

learn more about it!

Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and no

vaxxes were given?

What do you think the reason is for your child?

Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines different in

behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases? If so, how?

April

[Guest guest]

I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> Anita, What are some possible reason that some kids are autistic and

no vaxxes were given?

>

> What do you think the reason is for your child?

>

> Are those autistic kids that are not autistic due to vaccines

different in behavour patterns? Is there autism different from other cases?

If so, how?

>

> April

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist and

psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is normal,

but his ability to process what he hears is not.

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

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[Guest guest]

Does he have a CAPD (Central Auditory Processing Disorder) diagnosis?

I asked because my son has some auditory processing issues and some auditory

hypersensitivities. And I am on a very busy group for auditory

processing disorder. There has been mention of kids with CAPD (central

auditory processing disorder) " looking like " kids with autism and being

misdiagnosed as same. Also there have been parents report that their child

was inappropriately treated for / misdiagnosed as ADHD when in fact they

later found out the child had CAPD.

That said, there are kids who apparently have both CAPD and autism, or both

CAPD and ADHD. Of course CAPD can affect speech/language. There are quite

a few therapies for CAPD- one that is supposedly scientifically proven to

help -- called Fast ForWord. Some (but not all) parents are reporting

amazing results. It is expensive, but when we can afford it we will

probably try it.

Best wishes,

Sandy

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

> I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist and

psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

>

> Anita

>

>

> Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low,

low rates.

>

>

[Guest guest]

He was never diagnosed with CAPD. He does have difficulty processing certain

tones and pitches which his OT addresses with listening therapy. I also managed

to get him an individual music therapist 1x a week for 30 minutes in addition to

daily group music class where he has an opportunity to integrate with

neurotypical children. I'll ask his school about the therapy you mentioned and

thanks. Music is one of the more enjoyable activities in his life and has helped

him grow in numerous ways.

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

Does he have a CAPD (Central Auditory Processing Disorder) diagnosis?

I asked because my son has some auditory processing issues and some auditory

hypersensitivities. And I am on a very busy group for auditory

processing disorder. There has been mention of kids with CAPD (central

auditory processing disorder) " looking like " kids with autism and being

misdiagnosed as same. Also there have been parents report that their child

was inappropriately treated for / misdiagnosed as ADHD when in fact they

later found out the child had CAPD.

That said, there are kids who apparently have both CAPD and autism, or both

CAPD and ADHD. Of course CAPD can affect speech/language. There are quite

a few therapies for CAPD- one that is supposedly scientifically proven to

help -- called Fast ForWord. Some (but not all) parents are reporting

amazing results. It is expensive, but when we can afford it we will

probably try it.

Best wishes,

Sandy

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

> I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist and

psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

>

> Anita

>

>

> Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low,

low rates.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just to clarify- Fast ForWord is not music based (I don't think). Because

it is expensive and intensive, many schools do not offer it. Our local

school here does not offer it. Many parents are paying for it themselves.

And it is only offered through certified providers (mostly audiologists and

speech language pathologists I believe).

Sandy

the group is auditory processing @.com

---- Original Message -----

From: " Anita Durney " <mydurney@...>

<Vaccinations >

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:21 AM

Subject: Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

> He was never diagnosed with CAPD. He does have difficulty processing

certain tones and pitches which his OT addresses with listening therapy. I

also managed to get him an individual music therapist 1x a week for 30

minutes in addition to daily group music class where he has an opportunity

to integrate with neurotypical children. I'll ask his school about the

therapy you mentioned and thanks. Music is one of the more enjoyable

activities in his life and has helped him grow in numerous ways.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

> Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> Does he have a CAPD (Central Auditory Processing Disorder) diagnosis?

>

> I asked because my son has some auditory processing issues and some

auditory

> hypersensitivities. And I am on a very busy group for auditory

> processing disorder. There has been mention of kids with CAPD (central

> auditory processing disorder) " looking like " kids with autism and being

> misdiagnosed as same. Also there have been parents report that their

child

> was inappropriately treated for / misdiagnosed as ADHD when in fact they

> later found out the child had CAPD.

>

> That said, there are kids who apparently have both CAPD and autism, or

both

> CAPD and ADHD. Of course CAPD can affect speech/language. There are

quite

> a few therapies for CAPD- one that is supposedly scientifically proven to

> help -- called Fast ForWord. Some (but not all) parents are reporting

> amazing results. It is expensive, but when we can afford it we will

> probably try it.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sandy

>

>

> Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

It may not be music based, but it must be some kind of listening therapy.

Wouldn't you agree?

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

Just to clarify- Fast ForWord is not music based (I don't think). Because

it is expensive and intensive, many schools do not offer it. Our local

school here does not offer it. Many parents are paying for it themselves.

And it is only offered through certified providers (mostly audiologists and

speech language pathologists I believe).

Sandy

the group is auditory processing @.com

---- Original Message -----

From: " Anita Durney " <mydurney@...>

<Vaccinations >

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 11:21 AM

Subject: Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

> He was never diagnosed with CAPD. He does have difficulty processing

certain tones and pitches which his OT addresses with listening therapy. I

also managed to get him an individual music therapist 1x a week for 30

minutes in addition to daily group music class where he has an opportunity

to integrate with neurotypical children. I'll ask his school about the

therapy you mentioned and thanks. Music is one of the more enjoyable

activities in his life and has helped him grow in numerous ways.

>

> Anita

>

>

>

> Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> Does he have a CAPD (Central Auditory Processing Disorder) diagnosis?

>

> I asked because my son has some auditory processing issues and some

auditory

> hypersensitivities. And I am on a very busy group for auditory

> processing disorder. There has been mention of kids with CAPD (central

> auditory processing disorder) " looking like " kids with autism and being

> misdiagnosed as same. Also there have been parents report that their

child

> was inappropriately treated for / misdiagnosed as ADHD when in fact they

> later found out the child had CAPD.

>

> That said, there are kids who apparently have both CAPD and autism, or

both

> CAPD and ADHD. Of course CAPD can affect speech/language. There are

quite

> a few therapies for CAPD- one that is supposedly scientifically proven to

> help -- called Fast ForWord. Some (but not all) parents are reporting

> amazing results. It is expensive, but when we can afford it we will

> probably try it.

>

> Best wishes,

> Sandy

>

>

> Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

As I understand it-- it is actually computer software which of course

involves listening and interacting with/responding to the program. It is

supposed to actually change/improve the part of the brain responsible for

auditory processing (or that is the claim anyway). And there are

professionals reporting huge gains (language, listening, processing,

reading) in kids.

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Have you read " Dancing in the Rain " ? Each chapter is named after a child with

auditory processing challenges. It's facinating how some of them can hear

EVERYTHING including what's going on in the neighbors house or down the street.

Poor kids can't seperate all the noise. Must be so chaotic and cause all kinds

of problems including behavioral which they are always judged for.

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

As I understand it-- it is actually computer software which of course

involves listening and interacting with/responding to the program. It is

supposed to actually change/improve the part of the brain responsible for

auditory processing (or that is the claim anyway). And there are

professionals reporting huge gains (language, listening, processing,

reading) in kids.

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I emailed the company and you would have to go through the training and it

costs around $500-900 depending on what you want. Jenn L

---- Original Message -----

From: " Anita Durney " <mydurney@...>

<Vaccinations >

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:46 PM

Subject: Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Have you read " Dancing in the Rain " ? Each chapter is named after a child

with auditory processing challenges. It's facinating how some of them can

hear EVERYTHING including what's going on in the neighbors house or down the

street. Poor kids can't seperate all the noise. Must be so chaotic and cause

all kinds of problems including behavioral which they are always judged for.

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

As I understand it-- it is actually computer software which of course

involves listening and interacting with/responding to the program. It is

supposed to actually change/improve the part of the brain responsible for

auditory processing (or that is the claim anyway). And there are

professionals reporting huge gains (language, listening, processing,

reading) in kids.

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

no I have not read it - but I will go to the library and check it out.

Thanks

Sandy

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Jenn - are talking about the Fast ForWord program Sandy shared with us?

Anita

Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote:

I emailed the company and you would have to go through the training and it

costs around $500-900 depending on what you want. Jenn L

---- Original Message -----

From: " Anita Durney " <mydurney@...>

<Vaccinations >

Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 4:46 PM

Subject: Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

Have you read " Dancing in the Rain " ? Each chapter is named after a child

with auditory processing challenges. It's facinating how some of them can

hear EVERYTHING including what's going on in the neighbors house or down the

street. Poor kids can't seperate all the noise. Must be so chaotic and cause

all kinds of problems including behavioral which they are always judged for.

Anita

Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

As I understand it-- it is actually computer software which of course

involves listening and interacting with/responding to the program. It is

supposed to actually change/improve the part of the brain responsible for

auditory processing (or that is the claim anyway). And there are

professionals reporting huge gains (language, listening, processing,

reading) in kids.

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes. I will forward the info. from the guy.

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

>

>

> > I was required to have his hearing tested before a speech pathologist

and

> psychologist could evaluate him for diagnosis. His ability to hear is

> normal, but his ability to process what he hears is not.

> >

> > Anita

> >

> >

> > Sandy Rippetoe <srippetoe@...> wrote:

> > I guess his auditory processing has been evaluated??

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > New Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for

low,

> low rates.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-From a therapist point of view there was a great study ( forget who

it was) that could point out babies that would later be DX with

autism, spectrum from there gross motor development. it was quite

interesting.

michele

[Guest guest]

I've been out of the loop for a bit, but I wanted to comment on this Anita.

This really made my day when I read this! How wonderful for you!! Please keep

us posted on Henry's progress.

Kay

Re: Autism without vaccines-Questions for Anita

I feel the homeopathic remedy he takes each day has aided greatly in the

remarkable receptive growth he has shown these past few months. Every teacher at

his school has commented on how his eye's are different in that his looks are

less gazing and more meaningful and have intent. As a result, his teachers can

set higher academic goals and achieve more successes...and they are. :~)

Anita