Re: Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

[Guest guest]

In Michigan, you do NOT have to sign any forms for school. According to the

law, you only have to provide your written statement that you object, but not

why. I used a copy of the philosophical exemption form provided by MOMs, it has

the law right on it. When I signed my son up for kindegarten, they told me that

I would have to sign the health department's form. I then told them to read the

law and that I would not nor did I have to sign any other form and that was

that.

Our doctor hasn't asked us to sign anything, she is fine with us not

vaccinating, if she wasn't then we would find a new one.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

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From: Sheri Nakken <snakken@...>

From another list...................

Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

I have put a page up at:

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

With two supporting forms at:

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

Here's the contents of the page below...

Do Not Sign

AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to vaccine their

children a form to sign created by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a total

propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the alleged " risk "

of not

vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

" admitting "

that they are putting their children at risk.

Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains more

about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability from your

doctor, you have several options:

OPTIONS

* Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a naturopath,

homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you remove the

liability

from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

* Write your own form.

* Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

WARNING/

[Guest guest]

a lot of the links below are dead - fyi.

Thanks

Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by

such a form.

From another list...................

Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

I have put a page up at:

http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

With two supporting forms at:

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

Here's the contents of the page below...

Do Not Sign

AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to vaccine their

children a form to sign created by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP).

This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a total

propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the alleged " risk "

of not

vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

" admitting "

that they are putting their children at risk.

Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains more

about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability from your

doctor, you have several options:

OPTIONS

* Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a naturopath,

homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you remove the

liability

from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

* Write your own form.

* Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

WARNING/

[Guest guest]

they all worked fine for me

At 07:36 AM 3/12/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>a lot of the links below are dead - fyi.

>Thanks

> Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted

by such a form.

>

>

> From another list...................

>

> Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

>

> The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

>

> I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

>

> Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

>

> I have put a page up at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

>

>

> With two supporting forms at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

>

> Here's the contents of the page below...

>

>

> Do Not Sign

> AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

> Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to vaccine

their

> children a form to sign created by the American Academy of Pediatrics

(AAP).

> This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a total

> propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the alleged " risk "

> of not

> vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

> " admitting "

> that they are putting their children at risk.

> Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains more

> about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

> When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability from

your

> doctor, you have several options:

>

> OPTIONS

> * Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a naturopath,

> homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you remove the

> liability

> from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

> * Write your own form.

> * Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

> WARNING/

[Guest guest]

UGH!!! I had a feeling of relief when the pediatrician was " okay "

with us not vax (okay after she gave her run down of why we SHOULD).

The she came back in the room with the form and being unprepared for

that- I signed it (but my gut did not feel good about it). Now

what????? When I go back do I bring my own form and ask it to be

added???

Kelley

>

> Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

>

> The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

>

> I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

>

> Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

>

> I have put a page up at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

>

>

> With two supporting forms at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

>

> Here's the contents of the page below...

>

>

> Do Not Sign

> AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

> Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to

vaccine their

> children a form to sign created by the American Academy of

Pediatrics (AAP).

> This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a

total

> propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the

alleged " risk "

> of not

> vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

> " admitting "

> that they are putting their children at risk.

> Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains

more

> about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

> When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability

from your

> doctor, you have several options:

>

> OPTIONS

> * Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a

naturopath,

> homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you

remove the

> liability

> from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

> * Write your own form.

> * Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

> WARNING/

[Guest guest]

As much as I *love* the alternative form, I would not recommend using

it either if you live in a US state that only allows for religious and

medical) exemptions and you plan on sending your child to school

outside the home.

The form makes a lot of " philosophical " statements about vaccines that

would negate your religious exemption if the school board ever talked

to your doctor.

I've said it over and over on another messageboard...if you live in a

state where you will have to file for a *religious* exemption, it is

best to stick with that story from all angles.

I recommend typing up a letter stating simply that " the practice of

vaccinations is against my religious beliefs " without going into any

detail - sign and date it (no need to have it notorized) and give THAT

to your doc to put in your child's file. Take a copy of that letter

with you every time you visit the doctor, as such things have a way of

wandering into the wrong " file. "

[Guest guest]

When I wrote my exemption for Kali, I had to include a few verses from the

bible neatly written in quotations and something about my family that would

pertain to each of the verses. The doctor refused to take it but, the school

quickly honored it. The ped. tried to talk me into getting a temporary

exemption due to her gut status but, I simply told him no more. He was red

in the face but, calm and talked about the CDC's so called research. I let

him talk but, I still told him no more. We don't get much problem about it

with him anymore. I occasssionally write stuff about what K did in church

and we are going most every Sunday. We have never had any problems about it.

Is this a new form that I should be seeing? Or is it something that may have

been there in the past? I'm just trying to figure out if I have ever signed

for non-consent of vaccination...? I know that when K was born, we had to

sign for NOT giving her the Hep. shot at the hospital. That was almost 6

yrs. ago. I haven't heard anything bad about it at all yet..Hoping not to.

Thanks for the warning anyway. Jenn L

Re: Re: Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if

confronted by such a form.

> At 03:52 PM 3/13/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> >As much as I *love* the alternative form, I would not recommend using

> >it either if you live in a US state that only allows for religious and

> >medical) exemptions and you plan on sending your child to school

> >outside the home.

> >

> >The form makes a lot of " philosophical " statements about vaccines that

> >would negate your religious exemption if the school board ever talked

> >to your doctor.

> >

> >I've said it over and over on another messageboard...if you live in a

> >state where you will have to file for a *religious* exemption, it is

> >best to stick with that story from all angles.

> >

> >I recommend typing up a letter stating simply that " the practice of

> >vaccinations is against my religious beliefs " without going into any

> >detail - sign and date it (no need to have it notorized) and give THAT

> >to your doc to put in your child's file. Take a copy of that letter

> >with you every time you visit the doctor, as such things have a way of

> >wandering into the wrong " file. "

>

> GOOD point - I usually say the same and should have put that at the top.

> I was only reading the part about what you should do with the doctor, not

> the schools

>

> You have to use the EXACT wording of the law for ths schools

>

> Amazing how things wander

>

> Sheri>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

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> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 03:52 PM 3/13/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>As much as I *love* the alternative form, I would not recommend using

>it either if you live in a US state that only allows for religious and

>medical) exemptions and you plan on sending your child to school

>outside the home.

>

>The form makes a lot of " philosophical " statements about vaccines that

>would negate your religious exemption if the school board ever talked

>to your doctor.

>

>I've said it over and over on another messageboard...if you live in a

>state where you will have to file for a *religious* exemption, it is

>best to stick with that story from all angles.

>

>I recommend typing up a letter stating simply that " the practice of

>vaccinations is against my religious beliefs " without going into any

>detail - sign and date it (no need to have it notorized) and give THAT

>to your doc to put in your child's file. Take a copy of that letter

>with you every time you visit the doctor, as such things have a way of

>wandering into the wrong " file. "

GOOD point - I usually say the same and should have put that at the top.

I was only reading the part about what you should do with the doctor, not

the schools

You have to use the EXACT wording of the law for ths schools

Amazing how things wander

Sheri>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

At 04:08 PM 3/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>When I wrote my exemption for Kali, I had to include a few verses from the

>bible neatly written in quotations and something about my family that would

>pertain to each of the verses. The doctor refused to take it but, the school

>quickly honored it. The ped. tried to talk me into getting a temporary

>exemption due to her gut status but, I simply told him no more. He was red

>in the face but, calm and talked about the CDC's so called research. I let

>him talk but, I still told him no more. We don't get much problem about it

>with him anymore. I occasssionally write stuff about what K did in church

>and we are going most every Sunday. We have never had any problems about it.

>Is this a new form that I should be seeing? Or is it something that may have

>been there in the past? I'm just trying to figure out if I have ever signed

>for non-consent of vaccination...? I know that when K was born, we had to

>sign for NOT giving her the Hep. shot at the hospital. That was almost 6

>yrs. ago. I haven't heard anything bad about it at all yet..Hoping not to.

>Thanks for the warning anyway. Jenn L

I'm sorry - I seemed to have confused everyone with that information.

ALWAYS use the wording of the law and it is NOT a good idea to use bible

verses (for future reference).

Just use the wording of hte law and in NY good to have some expert advice

from some activist groups there that I have info on.

Sheri

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

What about if you were to just make up a form that said something like,

" Dr. X has given me information about vaccines, and I release the

doctor from liability should my child come down with a disease for

which the state recommends vaccinations " ? Because I do sympathize with

doctors not wanting the parents to come back to them and say " you never

told me my child could get meningitis if I didn't vaccinate, so pay me

$4 million. " That seems like the biggest legitimate issue a doctor

could have with a patient not vaccinating.

Angie

On Thursday, March 8, 2007, at 06:27 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> From another list...................

>

> Never sign a Refusal To Vaccinate if confronted by such a form.

>

> The best way to avoid it, is avoid the allopaths

>

> I always suggest a naturopath and/or chiropractor.

>

> Here's the page that Dewey put up regarding that.

>

> I have put a page up at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/legal/donotsign.htm

>

> With two supporting forms at:

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.doc

> http://www.vaclib.org/letters/RefuseVaccines1.pdf

>

> Here's the contents of the page below...

>

>

> Do Not Sign

> AAP or other self-incriminating Vaccine Refusal forms

> Basically, some doctors are giving patients who chose not to vaccine

> their

> children a form to sign created by the American Academy of Pediatrics

> (AAP).

> This form varies somewhat state to state but basically it is a total

> propaganda sheet about the alleged value of vaccines, the alleged

> " risk "

> of not

> vaccinating and even worse the parent who signs the form is falsely

> " admitting "

> that they are putting their children at risk.

> Lower on this page we have a letter from our director that explains

> more

> about why self-incriminating forms are to be avoided.

> When faced with a request to sign a form which removes liability from

> your

> doctor, you have several options:

>

> OPTIONS

> * Change doctors to a holistic physician such as a naturopath,

> homeopath or other medical provider who does not require you remove the

> liability

> from their shoulders in the event your child becomes sick.

> * Write your own form.

> * Use our form 'as is' or modify it to reflect your needs.

> WARNING/