Re: Rabies Vaccine/Exemption question

[Guest guest]

In my world I would make it so.

But alas, the world is not to my liking.

Where do you live? Maybe I can help

Stay out of the vets office!

Sheri

At 03:14 PM 3/16/2006 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know if a religious exemption can be applied to a dog? The

>rabies vaccine is required " by law: in my state. While I understand the

>seriousness of the disease, I also know enough about vaccines (thanks,

Sherri!), AND

>that my dog is NOT high risk. (She is NEVER alone outside.) I had to

bring

>her in today because she has a bladder infection (and Vit c and

acidopholous

>did not help). I signed a release form at the vet relieving them of

>liability but I was heavily leaned on that she needs to get this at the

follow up

>appt. (I was not able to locate a wholistic vet in this area or I would

have

>avoided this confrontation altogether.) What say you??? My dog is like a

>member of our family and enjoys all the rights and privledges as such.

BUt I

>don't want to have her taken from us over this.

>

>Blessings & JOY!

>*Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Has your dog ever received the rabies vaccine? If so maybe if the do

a titer, your dog could be exempt from another.

I know at one point they used to give the vaccine every year, but now

some vets are wising up and following a more conservative vaccine

schedule. Although unfortunately vets win by giving more vaccines,

not only from the vaccines sale, but " treating " the side effects

(cancer surgery and such).

[Guest guest]

There is a group called " TruthAboutVaccines " that discusses issues like

this. There are ways around it. Please come on over!

Diane

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

In my world I would make it so.

But alas, the world is not to my liking.

Where do you live? Maybe I can help

Stay out of the vets office!

Sheri

At 03:14 PM 3/16/2006 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know if a religious exemption can be applied to a dog? The

>rabies vaccine is required " by law: in my state. While I understand the

>seriousness of the disease, I also know enough about vaccines (thanks,

Sherri!), AND

>that my dog is NOT high risk. (She is NEVER alone outside.) I had to

bring

>her in today because she has a bladder infection (and Vit c and

acidopholous

>did not help). I signed a release form at the vet relieving them of

>liability but I was heavily leaned on that she needs to get this at the

follow up

>appt. (I was not able to locate a wholistic vet in this area or I would

have

>avoided this confrontation altogether.) What say you??? My dog is like a

>member of our family and enjoys all the rights and privledges as such.

BUt I

>don't want to have her taken from us over this.

>

>Blessings & JOY!

>*Chris

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Curious how a dog would be taken from you for not vaccinating

him/her.....is there someone who roams and looks for 'unlicensed' dogs?

Licensing dogs (for which you needed the rabies vaccine) was required

when I had dogs but I didn't do it....and neither did my DH at the time

who owned dogs his entire life.....so unless we held out a sign that

said 'we dont license our dogs', who would have cared?

>

>

> At 03:14 PM 3/16/2006 EST, you wrote:

> >Does anyone know if a religious exemption can be applied to a dog? The

> >rabies vaccine is required " by law: in my state. <http://www.eset.com>

[Guest guest]

If it helps, I do know that some states will allow a titer instead of

vaccine for Rabies. Also, just a bit of info... the 3 year Rabies is

the EXACT same vaccine as the 1 year, they were just tested in different

trials, so can only be labeled as one or the other, but they are one and

the same. So if you ever NEED to vaccinate for Rabies (it IS the

law--however, buying the tags is usually not the law, just a municipal

code, which once you purchase a tag, you are saying you agree with and

will have to continue), you can do only the 3 year and it will at least

give them LESS exposure to the vaccine. The most concern with repeated

exposure to vaccines in dogs has to do with autoimmune disease. I saw

lupus, 's, IBD, and autoimmune hemolytic anemia that had to do

with overexposure to vaccines. But, if you have to do the Rabies to

keep your dog, then you have to. Chances are, there will not be any ill

effects, especially if you only do the three year. There are ways

around the Rabies vaccine, though.

Also, if your dogs have had puppy shots, they never need to have another

DA2PP vaccine, as Dr. Ron Schultz at UW Madison has proven that immunity

from ONE puppy shot (including Rabies) lasts a dog for life. You can

bring that up to your vet if you feel you need scientific evidence.

They will have to respect that bit of info, as Dr Schultz does research

for Merck and other vaccine companies. I have attended his seminar,

which was very educational.

You can check for holistic vets online, I may be able to help you find

one if you tell me what state you are in. There is a Holistic

Veterinary Medical Association, I know they have a website, but I am not

sure of the address. Also, giving Thuja after a Rabies vaccine will

help to make sure there are no ill effects. Feeding a Raw Diet (BARF)

or at least a GOOD kibble like Wellness or Nature's Variety will help to

make sure your dog's system is well balanced and keep him at his best

condition.

Beth

[Guest guest]

Someone asked if " they " could take away a dog based on no Rabies

vaccine. It's highly unlikely, but you could be fined, depending on

where you live. If your dog has EVER had the vaccine, though, it is

immune for life... that's using the vaccine company's own research and

logic (even though they would not have " us " know that!), which the vet

will have a hard time arguing with. Unfortunately, the law has not

caught up to the science on this one, and you will have to deal with

whatever the vet reports to the County. They do make regular reports on

who is vaccinated and who is not in most Counties, so even if you do not

advertise the fact that you don't vaccinate for anything, they could

make an issue out of it if they chose to... but chances are, they won't.

Beth

[Guest guest]

I just went through this nightmare with my dog. She " allegedly " bit someone

(that is still not proven). He called the police, the police called our

local animal control (this happened while we were out of state at our

weekend place). The AC came to our house. The dogs rabies tag was outdated

by 3 months. We adopted her, and they had only give nher a 1 year

certificate. Then they asked who my vet was, I stupidly told them. They

marched down to the vet, demanding information on ALL my dogs (I have 4),

none were licensed or had updated rabies (two never had it at all one, did

years and years ago). The 4th dog, that caused the problem, had never even

been to this vet since we only had her a little over a year, and there was

no need to bring her in.

Well, the AC found out that none of my dogs were up to date, not licensed,

told the adoption agency we got the 4th troublemaker dog from. He called me

up, SCREAMING and BERATING me for 20 minutes on the phone, telling me that

he was taking the dog back unless I vaccinated ALL of them per some contract

that I am CERTAIN that I left the part about " up to date vaccinations " blank

(but I don't have a copy). He told me that I was inhumane because I dont'

bring the dogs to the vet for a yearly checkup when they are healthy, and

that the dogs go outside during the day. This guy was so mean, I literally

curled up on the couch and cried for the rest of the day, it was horrible.

I have never been treated like that by anyone in my life.

So anyway, even though I had a Rabies vaccine exemption from Dr. Dodds,

because two of the other dogs were having severe skin problems that we were

treating, and the 3rd dog reverse sneezes, he told me that I " snowballed "

someone and there was no way in the world two unrelated dogs were having

skin problems at the same time (this guy was soooo mean!) So, I had to

vaccinate them, or have them taken away (and then vaccinated anyway, and who

knows where they would have ended up).

It was a horrible, horrible experience. People in power (or think they have

power) suck.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind then it really doesn't

matter.~

Re: Rabies Vaccine/Exemption question

> Curious how a dog would be taken from you for not vaccinating

> him/her.....is there someone who roams and looks for 'unlicensed' dogs?

> Licensing dogs (for which you needed the rabies vaccine) was required

> when I had dogs but I didn't do it....and neither did my DH at the time

> who owned dogs his entire life.....so unless we held out a sign that

> said 'we dont license our dogs', who would have cared?

>

>

> >

> >

> > At 03:14 PM 3/16/2006 EST, you wrote:

> > >Does anyone know if a religious exemption can be applied to a dog?

The

> > >rabies vaccine is required " by law: in my state. <http://www.eset.com>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think that this one has anything to do with them not believing the

science. I think that this is all about the money. I do believe that requiring

dogs to be licensed is about keeping track of rabies, they are supposed to have

their licenses renewed every year (at least in my county) when they have their

rabies shots. If it is shown that one shot provides " protection " (ha ha, like

any vaccine does) then the counties and the vets are going to suffer a huge loss

in revenue.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Tarbelldog@...

Someone asked if " they " could take away a dog based on no Rabies

vaccine. It's highly unlikely, but you could be fined, depending on

where you live. If your dog has EVER had the vaccine, though, it is

immune for life... that's using the vaccine company's own research and

logic (even though they would not have " us " know that!), which the vet

will have a hard time arguing with. Unfortunately, the law has not

caught up to the science on this one, and you will have to deal with

whatever the vet reports to the County. They do make regular reports on

who is vaccinated and who is not in most Counties, so even if you do not

advertise the fact that you don't vaccinate for anything, they could

make an issue out of it if they chose to... but chances are, they won't.

Beth

[Guest guest]

I have to disagree that this is something you have to do (give the rabies

vaccine). Where there is a will to get around this, there is a way!!! The list

of diseases associated with vaccines is way longer. Of course no vets will

admit to this. My dog has just been diagnosed with " masticatory myositis " which

is a jaw paralysis (auto-immune). Well guess what one of the symptoms of acute

rabies is, " paralysis of the chewing muscles " . Coincidence? I think not. Yet

according to all of the literature out there, this is an " auto-immune " disease

of " unknown cause " . Please....

There are medical exemptions that you can apply for. It says right on every

vaccine package insert that only healthy animals are suppossed to be vaccinated.

A dog with arthritis (auto-immune), hypothryoid, ETC., ETC. (since unfortunately

so many pets are so unhealthy, I'm sure you can insert one of many things here)

should be able to get a medical exemption. If your vet won't write one, find

another. My vet has actually told me that he will write me a medical exemption,

but it is also OKAY with him if I just simply refuse. It will only become an

issue for me if my dog bites someone. The ironic thing about some of this is

that the rabies vaccine actually CAUSES aggression in dogs. So the more

vaccines, the higher the chances of a bite incident. There is actually a vet

on-line who sells medical exemption letters. You can also just fly under the

radar and not license your pets. If you look hard enough, think about it hard

enough, you CAN (and I think MUST) get around

this. Join the group called " TruthAboutVaccines " if you want to find out

more about this stuff.

Using Thuja after a rabies vaccine is NOT proper homeoapthy!! That is simply

not true!! You can't treat PROPERLY for vaccine damage using homeoapthy UNTIL

symptoms appear!! Only when symptoms appear can you treat the patient based on

the totality of the symptoms. Thuja may or MAY NOT BE the most appropriate

remedy. If your vet practices this way I would RUN the other way. A true

homeopathic vet would NEVER recommend a vaccination if they were at all

operating under the " first do no harm " oath. The group called

" ClassicalHomeopathyPets " has all kinds of great information on how Homeoapthy

should be practiced correctly and how to recoginze when it isn't being properly

practiced. There is an artilce in there on this very topic and how giving Thuja

right after a vaccine isn't right and can even be harmful (even though there are

" holistic " vets who practice this way).

There is no such thing as " good " kibble. Kibble promotes periodontal disease,

contains lots of grain and carbs, which carnivores have no use for and can't

even digest. It is so highly processed that even if it started out with some

better quality ingredients they are no longer recognizable after the

heat/extrusion process. Kibble is one of the main reasons (or at least a

maintaining cause) for all of the dogs with " allergies " , " sensitive stomachs " ,

etc. The only appropriate diet for a carnivore is a diet of raw, meaty bones.

To learn how to appropriately feed a carnivore, there is a group called

" rawfeeding " . It is so simple and so logical once you look into it.

Diane

Tarbelldog@... wrote:

If it helps, I do know that some states will allow a titer instead of

vaccine for Rabies. Also, just a bit of info... the 3 year Rabies is

the EXACT same vaccine as the 1 year, they were just tested in different

trials, so can only be labeled as one or the other, but they are one and

the same. So if you ever NEED to vaccinate for Rabies (it IS the

law--however, buying the tags is usually not the law, just a municipal

code, which once you purchase a tag, you are saying you agree with and

will have to continue), you can do only the 3 year and it will at least

give them LESS exposure to the vaccine. The most concern with repeated

exposure to vaccines in dogs has to do with autoimmune disease. I saw

lupus, 's, IBD, and autoimmune hemolytic anemia that had to do

with overexposure to vaccines. But, if you have to do the Rabies to

keep your dog, then you have to. Chances are, there will not be any ill

effects, especially if you only do the three year. There are ways

around the Rabies vaccine, though.

Also, if your dogs have had puppy shots, they never need to have another

DA2PP vaccine, as Dr. Ron Schultz at UW Madison has proven that immunity

from ONE puppy shot (including Rabies) lasts a dog for life. You can

bring that up to your vet if you feel you need scientific evidence.

They will have to respect that bit of info, as Dr Schultz does research

for Merck and other vaccine companies. I have attended his seminar,

which was very educational.

You can check for holistic vets online, I may be able to help you find

one if you tell me what state you are in. There is a Holistic

Veterinary Medical Association, I know they have a website, but I am not

sure of the address. Also, giving Thuja after a Rabies vaccine will

help to make sure there are no ill effects. Feeding a Raw Diet (BARF)

or at least a GOOD kibble like Wellness or Nature's Variety will help to

make sure your dog's system is well balanced and keep him at his best

condition.

Beth

[Guest guest]

>

>You can check for holistic vets online, I may be able to help you find

>one if you tell me what state you are in. There is a Holistic

>Veterinary Medical Association, I know they have a website, but I am not

>sure of the address. Also, giving Thuja after a Rabies vaccine will

>help to make sure there are no ill effects.

This is ABSOLUTELY not true. There is no guarantee. If it were, we all

would be doing it for every vaccine and I wouldn't need to be here, day in

and day out.

Feeding a Raw Diet (BARF)

>or at least a GOOD kibble like Wellness or Nature's Variety will help to

>make sure your dog's system is well balanced and keep him at his best

>condition.

>

>Beth

>

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

Oh ,

How terrible I'm so sorry.

Makes you want to find an island somewhere where we all could live in peace.

Sheri

At 06:52 PM 3/16/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>I just went through this nightmare with my dog. She " allegedly " bit someone

>(that is still not proven). He called the police, the police called our

>local animal control (this happened while we were out of state at our

>weekend place). The AC came to our house. The dogs rabies tag was outdated

>by 3 months. We adopted her, and they had only give nher a 1 year

>certificate. Then they asked who my vet was, I stupidly told them. They

>marched down to the vet, demanding information on ALL my dogs (I have 4),

>none were licensed or had updated rabies (two never had it at all one, did

>years and years ago). The 4th dog, that caused the problem, had never even

>been to this vet since we only had her a little over a year, and there was

>no need to bring her in.

>

>Well, the AC found out that none of my dogs were up to date, not licensed,

>told the adoption agency we got the 4th troublemaker dog from. He called me

>up, SCREAMING and BERATING me for 20 minutes on the phone, telling me that

>he was taking the dog back unless I vaccinated ALL of them per some contract

>that I am CERTAIN that I left the part about " up to date vaccinations " blank

>(but I don't have a copy). He told me that I was inhumane because I dont'

>bring the dogs to the vet for a yearly checkup when they are healthy, and

>that the dogs go outside during the day. This guy was so mean, I literally

>curled up on the couch and cried for the rest of the day, it was horrible.

>I have never been treated like that by anyone in my life.

>

>So anyway, even though I had a Rabies vaccine exemption from Dr. Dodds,

>because two of the other dogs were having severe skin problems that we were

>treating, and the 3rd dog reverse sneezes, he told me that I " snowballed "

>someone and there was no way in the world two unrelated dogs were having

>skin problems at the same time (this guy was soooo mean!) So, I had to

>vaccinate them, or have them taken away (and then vaccinated anyway, and who

>knows where they would have ended up).

>

>It was a horrible, horrible experience. People in power (or think they have

>power) suck.

>

>Best,

>

>Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

>Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

>~Age is a case of mind over matter. If you don't mind then it really doesn't

>matter.~

> Re: Rabies Vaccine/Exemption question

>

>

>> Curious how a dog would be taken from you for not vaccinating

>> him/her.....is there someone who roams and looks for 'unlicensed' dogs?

>> Licensing dogs (for which you needed the rabies vaccine) was required

>> when I had dogs but I didn't do it....and neither did my DH at the time

>> who owned dogs his entire life.....so unless we held out a sign that

>> said 'we dont license our dogs', who would have cared?

>>

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > At 03:14 PM 3/16/2006 EST, you wrote:

>> > >Does anyone know if a religious exemption can be applied to a dog?

>The

>> > >rabies vaccine is required " by law: in my state. <http://www.eset.com>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

excellent Diane

At 06:08 PM 3/16/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>I have to disagree that this is something you have to do (give the rabies

vaccine). Where there is a will to get around this, there is a way!!! The

list of diseases associated with vaccines is way longer. Of course no vets

will admit to this. My dog has just been diagnosed with " masticatory

myositis " which is a jaw paralysis (auto-immune). Well guess what one of

the symptoms of acute rabies is, " paralysis of the chewing muscles " .

Coincidence? I think not. Yet according to all of the literature out

there, this is an " auto-immune " disease of " unknown cause " . Please....

>

> There are medical exemptions that you can apply for. It says right on

every vaccine package insert that only healthy animals are suppossed to be

vaccinated. A dog with arthritis (auto-immune), hypothryoid, ETC., ETC.

(since unfortunately so many pets are so unhealthy, I'm sure you can insert

one of many things here) should be able to get a medical exemption. If

your vet won't write one, find another. My vet has actually told me that

he will write me a medical exemption, but it is also OKAY with him if I

just simply refuse. It will only become an issue for me if my dog bites

someone. The ironic thing about some of this is that the rabies vaccine

actually CAUSES aggression in dogs. So the more vaccines, the higher the

chances of a bite incident. There is actually a vet on-line who sells

medical exemption letters. You can also just fly under the radar and not

license your pets. If you look hard enough, think about it hard enough,

you CAN (and I think MUST) get ar!

> ound

> this. Join the group called " TruthAboutVaccines " if you want to

find out more about this stuff.

>

> Using Thuja after a rabies vaccine is NOT proper homeoapthy!! That is

simply not true!! You can't treat PROPERLY for vaccine damage using

homeoapthy UNTIL symptoms appear!! Only when symptoms appear can you treat

the patient based on the totality of the symptoms. Thuja may or MAY NOT BE

the most appropriate remedy. If your vet practices this way I would RUN

the other way. A true homeopathic vet would NEVER recommend a vaccination

if they were at all operating under the " first do no harm " oath. The

group called " ClassicalHomeopathyPets " has all kinds of great

information on how Homeoapthy should be practiced correctly and how to

recoginze when it isn't being properly practiced. There is an artilce in

there on this very topic and how giving Thuja right after a vaccine isn't

right and can even be harmful (even though there are " holistic " vets who

practice this way).

>

> There is no such thing as " good " kibble. Kibble promotes periodontal

disease, contains lots of grain and carbs, which carnivores have no use for

and can't even digest. It is so highly processed that even if it started

out with some better quality ingredients they are no longer recognizable

after the heat/extrusion process. Kibble is one of the main reasons (or at

least a maintaining cause) for all of the dogs with " allergies " , " sensitive

stomachs " , etc. The only appropriate diet for a carnivore is a diet of

raw, meaty bones. To learn how to appropriately feed a carnivore, there is

a group called " rawfeeding " . It is so simple and so logical once you

look into it.

>

> Diane>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, snakken@...

writes:

> In my world I would make it so.

>

> But alas, the world is not to my liking.

>

> Where do you live? Maybe I can help

>

>

> Stay out of the vets office!

> Sheri

This was not my original post, but I'm curious for my area also. I'm in

Michigan.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, in most areas there probably isn't a way around it. Just think

of how difficult some areas make it for a person to get an exemption! Dogs

don't have rights, they aren't protected under the constitution. Sure, you can

not have them licensed, but then you run the risk of being fined. I lost a dog

from a rabies vax, so we don't vax ours and they aren't licensed, but we live in

a rural area where it wouldn't really be found out.

I do worry though, because if one of our dogs bit someone, then the powers that

be would probably put them down because we don't have " proof of vaccination "

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

From: Diane Ruzzi <dianeruz10980@...>

I have to disagree that this is something you have to do (give the rabies

vaccine). Where there is a will to get around this, there is a way!!! The list

of diseases associated with vaccines is way longer. Of course no vets will

admit to this. My dog has just been diagnosed with " masticatory myositis " which

is a jaw paralysis (auto-immune). Well guess what one of the symptoms of acute

rabies is, " paralysis of the chewing muscles " . Coincidence? I think not. Yet

according to all of the literature out there, this is an " auto-immune " disease

of " unknown cause " . Please....

There are medical exemptions that you can apply for. It says right on every

vaccine package insert that only healthy animals are suppossed to be vaccinated.

A dog with arthritis (auto-immune), hypothryoid, ETC., ETC. (since unfortunately

so many pets are so unhealthy, I'm sure you can insert one of many things here)

should be able to get a medical exemption. If your vet won't write one, find

another. My vet has actually told me that he will write me a medical exemption,

but it is also OKAY with him if I just simply refuse. It will only become an

issue for me if my dog bites someone. The ironic thing about some of this is

that the rabies vaccine actually CAUSES aggression in dogs. So the more

vaccines, the higher the chances of a bite incident. There is actually a vet

on-line who sells medical exemption letters. You can also just fly under the

radar and not license your pets. If you look hard enough, think about it hard

enough, you CAN (and I think MUST) get around

this. Join the group called " TruthAboutVaccines " if you want to find out

more about this stuff.

Using Thuja after a rabies vaccine is NOT proper homeoapthy!! That is simply

not true!! You can't treat PROPERLY for vaccine damage using homeoapthy UNTIL

symptoms appear!! Only when symptoms appear can you treat the patient based on

the totality of the symptoms. Thuja may or MAY NOT BE the most appropriate

remedy. If your vet practices this way I would RUN the other way. A true

homeopathic vet would NEVER recommend a vaccination if they were at all

operating under the " first do no harm " oath. The group called

" ClassicalHomeopathyPets " has all kinds of great information on how Homeoapthy

should be practiced correctly and how to recoginze when it isn't being properly

practiced. There is an artilce in there on this very topic and how giving Thuja

right after a vaccine isn't right and can even be harmful (even though there are

" holistic " vets who practice this way).

There is no such thing as " good " kibble. Kibble promotes periodontal disease,

contains lots of grain and carbs, which carnivores have no use for and can't

even digest. It is so highly processed that even if it started out with some

better quality ingredients they are no longer recognizable after the

heat/extrusion process. Kibble is one of the main reasons (or at least a

maintaining cause) for all of the dogs with " allergies " , " sensitive stomachs " ,

etc. The only appropriate diet for a carnivore is a diet of raw, meaty bones.

To learn how to appropriately feed a carnivore, there is a group called

" rawfeeding " . It is so simple and so logical once you look into it.

Diane

Tarbelldog@... wrote:

If it helps, I do know that some states will allow a titer instead of

vaccine for Rabies. Also, just a bit of info... the 3 year Rabies is

the EXACT same vaccine as the 1 year, they were just tested in different

trials, so can only be labeled as one or the other, but they are one and

the same. So if you ever NEED to vaccinate for Rabies (it IS the

law--however, buying the tags is usually not the law, just a municipal

code, which once you purchase a tag, you are saying you agree with and

will have to continue), you can do only the 3 year and it will at least

give them LESS exposure to the vaccine. The most concern with repeated

exposure to vaccines in dogs has to do with autoimmune disease. I saw

lupus, 's, IBD, and autoimmune hemolytic anemia that had to do

with overexposure to vaccines. But, if you have to do the Rabies to

keep your dog, then you have to. Chances are, there will not be any ill

effects, especially if you only do the three year. There are ways

around the Rabies vaccine, though.

Also, if your dogs have had puppy shots, they never need to have another

DA2PP vaccine, as Dr. Ron Schultz at UW Madison has proven that immunity

from ONE puppy shot (including Rabies) lasts a dog for life. You can

bring that up to your vet if you feel you need scientific evidence.

They will have to respect that bit of info, as Dr Schultz does research

for Merck and other vaccine companies. I have attended his seminar,

which was very educational.

You can check for holistic vets online, I may be able to help you find

one if you tell me what state you are in. There is a Holistic

Veterinary Medical Association, I know they have a website, but I am not

sure of the address. Also, giving Thuja after a Rabies vaccine will

help to make sure there are no ill effects. Feeding a Raw Diet (BARF)

or at least a GOOD kibble like Wellness or Nature's Variety will help to

make sure your dog's system is well balanced and keep him at his best

condition.

Beth

[Guest guest]

Diane,

I absolutely agree that Raw Food is best for pets, but not all people

are willing and/or able to provide this, which is why I suggested the

" better " kibble.

I did acknowledge that there are ways around the Rabies vaccine...

Personally, I have not vaccinated my dogs in years, and as a breeder and

someone that my vet respects... I do not get any trouble for it. I was

merely trying to offer the facts on the 3 year vs. the 1 year... IF

someone is put in a situation where they " must " vaccinate... some rescue

organizations will not allow you to keep or adopt their pets if you do

not agree to the vaccinations. Some people are just not up on the

science. Of course I would try to explain reasons for NOT

vaccinating... but IF your dog bites someone and is not vaccinated for

Rabies... it's a terrible situation to be in.

I am well acquainted with Dr. Dodds, as she has worked with my Breed

Club on many issues and we have used information from her studies in

many aspects of our club. I did mention that I have seen TONS of

autoimmune disease in dogs, and I do believe that it is vaccine related.

Thuja was an idea given to me by my Volhard instructor, and as you may

know, Volhard wrote The Holistic Guide to a Healthy Dog. I was

only attempting to give an alternative based on what I have learned from

others. If that information was not correct, then I do apologize. My

15 years in dogs, I learn something new every day.

Thanks!

Beth

[Guest guest]

At 09:56 AM 3/17/2006 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 3/16/06 3:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,

snakken@...

>writes:

>> In my world I would make it so.

>>

>> But alas, the world is not to my liking.

>>

>> Where do you live? Maybe I can help

>>

>>

>> Stay out of the vets office!

>> Sheri

>

>This was not my original post, but I'm curious for my area also. I'm in

>Michigan.

>

>Thanks!

>

>

Hi

I posted info right after that email on homeopathic vets

Check there

Thanks

>

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[Guest guest]

Here are the " dog laws " for Michigan:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(1i4yc145uyhv3z33p2rdd5qh)/mileg.aspx?page=GetMCLD\

ocument & objectname=mcl-act-339-of-1919

I didn't see anything about an exemption.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

From: addodson@...

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, snakken@...

writes:

> In my world I would make it so.

>

> But alas, the world is not to my liking.

>

> Where do you live? Maybe I can help

>

>

> Stay out of the vets office!

> Sheri

This was not my original post, but I'm curious for my area also. I'm in

Michigan.

Thanks!

[Guest guest]

Does anyone have a link for MS or for all the states?

Here are the " dog laws " for Michigan:

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(1i4yc145uyhv3z33p2rdd5qh)/mileg.aspx?page=GetMCLD\

ocument & objectname=mcl-act-339-of-1919

I didn't see anything about an exemption.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

-------------- Original message --------------

From: addodson@...

In a message dated 3/16/06 3:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, snakken@...

writes:

> In my world I would make it so.

>

> But alas, the world is not to my liking.

>

> Where do you live? Maybe I can help

>

>

> Stay out of the vets office!

> Sheri

This was not my original post, but I'm curious for my area also. I'm in

Michigan.

Thanks!