Re: Could this explain why Recuperation works?

[Guest guest]

I had a similar thought the other day.

Dr. Cheney is having some of his patients

experiment with Alka-Seltzer Gold, and

Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts.

He gave me a long speech on venous blood

gases, ionic calcium, and the oxygen dis-

association curve. He suspects many CFS

patients have " the mother of all acidosis

cases " , due to the heart thing, and that

taking bicarbonates could help them. (He

tied this to MCS too) It was complex, and

I'm not sure I understood it all. But it

was compelling.

He did correctly predict my blood gases

and ionic calcium tests, which shown high

ionic calcium, high pCO2, and high HCO3.

These would suggest metabolic acidosis,

if I am not mistaken.

(I suspect Dr. Cheney was getting some of

this from Dr. Rhea btw.)

I would add that baking soda was the only

thing that I had to damp down my burning skin

reaction to foods for years (until I discovered

anti-histamines). 1/2 tsp in 4oz of water,

taken about 45 minutes following a meal could

make my burning skin tolerable for some reason.

My 2 cents,

Zippy

[Guest guest]

I just read of a study that said (female) subjects who were about to exercise

intensely benefitted by drinking sodium bicarbonate. They had less muscle

burning and so could exercise longer. It was presumed the lactic acid buildup

was delayed by the bicarb.

Adrienne

Re: Could this explain why Recuperation works?

I had a similar thought the other day.

Dr. Cheney is having some of his patients

experiment with Alka-Seltzer Gold, and

Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts.

He gave me a long speech on venous blood

gases, ionic calcium, and the oxygen dis-

association curve. He suspects many CFS

patients have " the mother of all acidosis

cases " , due to the heart thing, and that

taking bicarbonates could help them. (He

tied this to MCS too) It was complex, and

I'm not sure I understood it all. But it

was compelling.

He did correctly predict my blood gases

and ionic calcium tests, which shown high

ionic calcium, high pCO2, and high HCO3.

These would suggest metabolic acidosis,

if I am not mistaken.

(I suspect Dr. Cheney was getting some of

this from Dr. Rhea btw.)

I would add that baking soda was the only

thing that I had to damp down my burning skin

reaction to foods for years (until I discovered

anti-histamines). 1/2 tsp in 4oz of water,

taken about 45 minutes following a meal could

make my burning skin tolerable for some reason.

My 2 cents,

Zippy

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[Guest guest]

Hi Zippy,

Thanks for this post. It's really interesting, since I've seen for a number of

years that severe MCS people use Alka Seltzer Gold, Baking Soda, and I think Tri

Salts.

It's good for me to know that Dr. Cheney's patients are experimenting with them

and that it ties in with his thinking on our disease. I really miss those

" complicated compelling " explanations. He would tell me the studies and work he

was drawing from, and tying in with his.

I learned more from him about what is happening in my body, and responses to

things ( such as to chemicals, or to treatments) than anyone/anywhere else in

the last 21 years.

I still believe he has the best overview of my disease, and the best solutions.

The best view and explanation of how all of the systems/symptoms are connected.

Do you have MCS, as in to non-foods? If you try the ASG or Tri-salts, I would

love to know about it.

Thanks,

Katrina

>

> I had a similar thought the other day.

>

> Dr. Cheney is having some of his patients

> experiment with Alka-Seltzer Gold, and

> Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts.

>

> He gave me a long speech on venous blood

> gases, ionic calcium, and the oxygen dis-

> association curve. He suspects many CFS

> patients have " the mother of all acidosis

> cases " , due to the heart thing, and that

> taking bicarbonates could help them. (He

> tied this to MCS too) It was complex, and

> I'm not sure I understood it all. But it

> was compelling.

>

> He did correctly predict my blood gases

> and ionic calcium tests, which shown high

> ionic calcium, high pCO2, and high HCO3.

> These would suggest metabolic acidosis,

> if I am not mistaken.

>

> (I suspect Dr. Cheney was getting some of

> this from Dr. Rhea btw.)

>

> I would add that baking soda was the only

> thing that I had to damp down my burning skin

> reaction to foods for years (until I discovered

> anti-histamines). 1/2 tsp in 4oz of water,

> taken about 45 minutes following a meal could

> make my burning skin tolerable for some reason.

>

>

> My 2 cents,

> Zippy

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Zippy and Katrina

I too am very interested I this thread. I have needed to take a lot of

bicarb of soda at times, it being the only thing that would ameliorate

my very bad interstitial cystitis. At no time did it make my condition

worse, in fact there did possibly seem to be a mild correlation with

some improvement, and friends would joke that perhaps the cure for ME

would eventually be found to be sodium bicarbonate - not so very far

from the truth?

Rosie

Hi Zippy,

Thanks for this post. It's really interesting, since I've seen for a

number of years that severe MCS people use Alka Seltzer Gold, Baking

Soda, and I think Tri Salts.

It's good for me to know that Dr. Cheney's patients are experimenting

with them and that it ties in with his thinking on our disease. I really

miss those " complicated compelling " explanations. He would tell me the

studies and work he was drawing from, and tying in with his.

I learned more from him about what is happening in my body, and

responses to things ( such as to chemicals, or to treatments) than

anyone/anywhere else in the last 21 years.

I still believe he has the best overview of my disease, and the best

solutions. The best view and explanation of how all of the

systems/symptoms are connected.

Do you have MCS, as in to non-foods? If you try the ASG or Tri-salts, I

would love to know about it.

Thanks,

Katrina

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[Guest guest]

PS: should have added that I can't tolerate Recuperation though.

Rosie

Hi Zippy and Katrina

I too am very interested I this thread. I have needed to take a lot of

bicarb of soda at times, it being the only thing that would ameliorate

my very bad interstitial cystitis. At no time did it make my condition

worse, in fact there did possibly seem to be a mild correlation with

some improvement, and friends would joke that perhaps the cure for ME

would eventually be found to be sodium bicarbonate - not so very far

from the truth?

Rosie

_,_._,___

[Guest guest]

" kattemayo " <kattemayo@...> wrote:

> It's good for me to know that Dr. Cheney's patients are

experimenting with them and that it ties in with his thinking on our

disease. I really miss those " complicated compelling " explanations.

He would tell me the studies and work he was drawing from, and tying

in with his.

>

> I still believe he has the best overview of my disease, and the

best solutions. The best view and explanation of how all of the

systems/symptoms are connected.

>

Yes, Dr Cheney has been amazing.

I just wish he and Dr would have talked to me about the

mycotoxin connection.

It wouldn't have taken much, I was only a hundred yards away.

Every day it amazes me that people dismiss it with a quick " Oh, well

that's just... " and then POOF. Gone!

All the clues that connect mold just vanish in the snap of a synapse.

I guess I was lucky that my synapses were disabled, the idea got

stuck.

-

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure if this is why recup works -- it doesn't have any sodium

bicarbonate in it.

However, I have read that it helps detoxify salicylates (like aspirin and other

drugs) and

high-salicylate foods, so that could be part of the issue if one is sensitive to

high sal and

phenolic compounds.

I've also read completely a study or report -- will have to find it -- that

showed that

baking soda actually increased acidity...sort of a rebound affect.

And finally, wouldn't baking soda alkalinize the intestinal tract? Good

bacteria thrive in an

acidic instestine...while " bad " bugs like alkaline GI's -- at least that was my

understanding...?

d.

> >

> > I had a similar thought the other day.

> >

> > Dr. Cheney is having some of his patients

> > experiment with Alka-Seltzer Gold, and

> > Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts.

> >

> > He gave me a long speech on venous blood

> > gases, ionic calcium, and the oxygen dis-

> > association curve. He suspects many CFS

> > patients have " the mother of all acidosis

> > cases " , due to the heart thing, and that

> > taking bicarbonates could help them. (He

> > tied this to MCS too) It was complex, and

> > I'm not sure I understood it all. But it

> > was compelling.

> >

> > He did correctly predict my blood gases

> > and ionic calcium tests, which shown high

> > ionic calcium, high pCO2, and high HCO3.

> > These would suggest metabolic acidosis,

> > if I am not mistaken.

> >

> > (I suspect Dr. Cheney was getting some of

> > this from Dr. Rhea btw.)

> >

> > I would add that baking soda was the only

> > thing that I had to damp down my burning skin

> > reaction to foods for years (until I discovered

> > anti-histamines). 1/2 tsp in 4oz of water,

> > taken about 45 minutes following a meal could

> > make my burning skin tolerable for some reason.

> >

> >

> > My 2 cents,

> > Zippy

> >

>

[Guest guest]

All good points so far.

I heard Dr. Shoemaker was noting

acidosis in his biotoxin patients (but

that is strictly unofficial, grapevine

stuff)

Also, Dr. Cheney speculated that perhaps

the citrate in Alka Seltzer Gold was

having some type of beneficial effect too.

He did not know.

I wonder if we will be at greater risk

for osteoporosis, if this severe metabolic

acidosis is true?

Zippy