Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

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it's for some kind of gut parasites I think

try running it through a search engine, maybe will tell you what the

common usage is

>

> Dear friends,

>

> could I ask you in what protocol is Flagyl used? What is it

supposed to fight?

>

> When they prescribed it to me, they thoguht my underlying problem

was Entoameba hystolitica, and metronidazole (Flagyl) is the first

choice for it. I did wonderfully the first two days, but then I

started feeling bad from day 3 onward. I don't know how to recognize

if it was a relapse or an herx reaction, but what I know for sure is

that the first two days all my symptoms had disappeared completely.

>

> This showed me that my problem could not be simply viral as viruses

do not respond to Flagyl at all. Maybe I fought a bacterial load and

that's why I felt so well. But I have read that it is helpful for

Chlamydia as well, isn't it?

>

> This coming Friday I will see the most important immunologist here

in Italy, and he is the president of the Transfer Factory

International Society as well. He cured already 12 patients with CFS

by administering TF for EBV. The only problem is that I don't exactly

know if EBV is my problem since my PCR is negative, even if my IgG at

the ELISA test are high.

>

> Let's see...

>

> One of the other issues that I have to consider is that my CD4

decreased dramatically in one year, from 900 in January 2006 to 470

in January 2007. Since I don't have HIV, among the other causes of

CD4 depression is EBV, and that's why I might address this illness.

>

> Also, my Rnase L is activated, and this happens only when your body

fights a virus, usually not a bacteria infection.

>

> Cheers,

>

> Massimo

>

>

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Massimo

Can you update us after you see this guy? What kind of transfer factor is he

using? Is it from a cow or a human. I've heard they use human TF in Italy.

And with respect to the people who reportedly recovered, were they treated for

viral infections alone, not bacterial?

Thanks

Louella

*Massimo <maxupolo@...> wrote:

Dear friends,

could I ask you in what protocol is Flagyl used? What is it supposed to fight?

When they prescribed it to me, they thoguht my underlying problem was Entoameba

hystolitica, and metronidazole (Flagyl) is the first choice for it. I did

wonderfully the first two days, but then I started feeling bad from day 3

onward. I don't know how to recognize if it was a relapse or an herx reaction,

but what I know for sure is that the first two days all my symptoms had

disappeared completely.

This showed me that my problem could not be simply viral as viruses do not

respond to Flagyl at all. Maybe I fought a bacterial load and that's why I felt

so well. But I have read that it is helpful for Chlamydia as well, isn't it?

This coming Friday I will see the most important immunologist here in Italy, and

he is the president of the Transfer Factory International Society as well. He

cured already 12 patients with CFS by administering TF for EBV. The only problem

is that I don't exactly know if EBV is my problem since my PCR is negative, even

if my IgG at the ELISA test are high.

Let's see...

One of the other issues that I have to consider is that my CD4 decreased

dramatically in one year, from 900 in January 2006 to 470 in January 2007. Since

I don't have HIV, among the other causes of CD4 depression is EBV, and that's

why I might address this illness.

Also, my Rnase L is activated, and this happens only when your body fights a

virus, usually not a bacteria infection.

Cheers,

Massimo

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Dear Louella,

he uses human TF, not from a cow. He diesn't use them primarily for CFS, but for

cancer. He treated few CFS patients (approximately 21), and out of those a total

of 14 patients recovered fully with no relapses. These patients had mostly a

viral profiled illness as not a single bacteria was found in repeated tests,

even forced by the use of antibiotics to check if a reaction to it would make

the bacteria show up.

I myself don't have a single bacteria showing from all the tests made by De

Meirleir, but my Rnase L activated means that I do have a viral issue. De

Meirleir mentioned Herpes Virus even if I am negative at the PCR for EBV. I have

a very high positive ELISA test though.

I will keep you updated.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

Massimo

Can you update us after you see this guy? What kind of transfer factor is he

using? Is it from a cow or a human. I've heard they use human TF in Italy.

And with respect to the people who reportedly recovered, were they treated for

viral infections alone, not bacterial?

Thanks

Louella

*Massimo <maxupolo@...> wrote:

Dear friends,

could I ask you in what protocol is Flagyl used? What is it supposed to fight?

When they prescribed it to me, they thoguht my underlying problem was

Entoameba hystolitica, and metronidazole (Flagyl) is the first choice for it. I

did wonderfully the first two days, but then I started feeling bad from day 3

onward. I don't know how to recognize if it was a relapse or an herx reaction,

but what I know for sure is that the first two days all my symptoms had

disappeared completely.

This showed me that my problem could not be simply viral as viruses do not

respond to Flagyl at all. Maybe I fought a bacterial load and that's why I felt

so well. But I have read that it is helpful for Chlamydia as well, isn't it?

This coming Friday I will see the most important immunologist here in Italy,

and he is the president of the Transfer Factory International Society as well.

He cured already 12 patients with CFS by administering TF for EBV. The only

problem is that I don't exactly know if EBV is my problem since my PCR is

negative, even if my IgG at the ELISA test are high.

Let's see...

One of the other issues that I have to consider is that my CD4 decreased

dramatically in one year, from 900 in January 2006 to 470 in January 2007. Since

I don't have HIV, among the other causes of CD4 depression is EBV, and that's

why I might address this illness.

Also, my Rnase L is activated, and this happens only when your body fights a

virus, usually not a bacteria infection.

Cheers,

Massimo

[Guest guest]

Interesting Massimo.

I am using TF from a cow. It seems to be a slow process. I wonder why you

can't get the human TF outside of Italy?

Louella

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Dear Louella,

I don't know why, don't know the exact reason, but for sure human TF are very

different, and also responses from patients are very different.

I had the meeting today, and the doctor decided that I will have first a

complete check up (another one...), then he wants me on EBV TF and on Candida

TF.

I actually don't have candida, but as my initial problems were intestinal

problems, and as I responded well to a month on Itraconazole (Sporanox), he

decided I might try it as well.

He will start at very very low levels, then eventually increase it over time.

If you want to try with human TF in the States, you can contact Dr. H.

Levine, he is the responsible for the US of the TF international society.

Cheers,

Massimo

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Interesting Massimo.

I am using TF from a cow. It seems to be a slow process. I wonder why you

can't get the human TF outside of Italy?

Louella

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Interesting. Thanks. Had been thinking of trying a TF for Candida. May give it a

go now.. Is that TF from humans too?

Louella

*Massimo <maxupolo@...> wrote:

Dear Louella,

I don't know why, don't know the exact reason, but for sure human TF are very

different, and also responses from patients are very different.

I had the meeting today, and the doctor decided that I will have first a

complete check up (another one...), then he wants me on EBV TF and on Candida

TF.

I actually don't have candida, but as my initial problems were intestinal

problems, and as I responded well to a month on Itraconazole (Sporanox), he

decided I might try it as well.

He will start at very very low levels, then eventually increase it over time.

If you want to try with human TF in the States, you can contact Dr. H.

Levine, he is the responsible for the US of the TF international society.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

Interesting Massimo.

I am using TF from a cow. It seems to be a slow process. I wonder why you can't

get the human TF outside of Italy?

Louella

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Louella -

I've heard that Kefir is REALLY good for candida, but I can't remember if

you told me you were already taking it.

-Wendi

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Subject: Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

Interesting. Thanks. Had been thinking of trying a TF for Candida. May give

it a go now.. Is that TF from humans too?

Louella

*Massimo <maxupolotiscali (DOT) <mailto:maxupolo%40tiscali.it> it> wrote:

Dear Louella,

I don't know why, don't know the exact reason, but for sure human TF are

very different, and also responses from patients are very different.

I had the meeting today, and the doctor decided that I will have first a

complete check up (another one...), then he wants me on EBV TF and on

Candida TF.

I actually don't have candida, but as my initial problems were intestinal

problems, and as I responded well to a month on Itraconazole (Sporanox), he

decided I might try it as well.

He will start at very very low levels, then eventually increase it over

time.

If you want to try with human TF in the States, you can contact Dr. H.

Levine, he is the responsible for the US of the TF international society.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

Interesting Massimo.

I am using TF from a cow. It seems to be a slow process. I wonder why you

can't get the human TF outside of Italy?

Louella

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Louella,

at the center in Italy they don't use TF from animals at all and by no menas.

They use them primarely to treat cancer patients, and using a TF from animals is

very risky in those cases and may lead to several infections, much much worse

than in other patients.

The TF for candida they use is absolutely from humans.

And of course is very very different from using a good probiotic, although they

are very useful too.

Cheers,

Massimo

Re: Antibiotics and Transfer factor

Interesting Massimo.

I am using TF from a cow. It seems to be a slow process. I wonder why you

can't get the human TF outside of Italy?

Louella

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