Re: Can tick diseases alter bone marrow?

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

I don't know how borrelia affects the bone marrow, but I know it can

severely reduce the white blood cell CD57 and the CD4 white blood

cell count. The higher the spirochete load the lower the CD4 white

blood cell count. I read this in a recently published book " Healing

Lyme " by Harrod Buhner. It is an excellent book that I highly

recommend. It covers many new herbs for treating Lyme disease and the

coinfections, as well as the standard cat's claw and artemisinin. It

also documents the latest research on Lyme disease.

Below is a published research article I found with a quick google

search (Bone Marrow Manifestations of Lyme Disease). There may be

more.

Hope this helps,

Vickie

Br J Haematol. 2003 Mar;120(5):723.

Bone marrow manifestation of Lyme disease (Lyme Borreliosis).

Kvasnicka HM, Thiele J, Ahmadi T.

Institute of Pathology, University of Cologne, Cologne, Germany.

hm.kvasnicka@...

PMID: 12614200 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have Babesia, Erhlcihia, Lyme, etc. Can anyone tell me if these

> microbes can actually alter bone marrow and possibly alter DNA

causing

> low blood cell production. I know that hemolysis can occur, too.

>

> I have a hemotologist that does not understand the tick diseases

and

> thinks I may possibly have pre-leukimia condition called

> myelodysplastic syndrome . . can tick disease mimick these same

> symptoms by the microbes suppressing the bone marrow?

>

> Thank you,

> Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

Sue, you may already know this, but Lyme disease invades red blood

cells and distorts their shape, and Babesia destroys red blood cells.

Vickie

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have Babesia, Erhlcihia, Lyme, etc. Can anyone tell me if these

> microbes can actually alter bone marrow and possibly alter DNA

>causing

> low blood cell production. I know that hemolysis can occur, too.

>

> I have a hemotologist that does not understand the tick diseases

>and

> thinks I may possibly have pre-leukimia condition called

> myelodysplastic syndrome . . can tick disease mimick these same

> symptoms by the microbes suppressing the bone marrow?

>

> Thank you,

> Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

A few years ago I had my red blood cell looked at under a microscope. I got to

look at them myself, too. They were definetly not normal, none of them. Some

were clumped together and the rest were oval or shrunken. I do have lyme.

Vickie <vickie_violets@...> wrote: Sue, you may already

know this, but Lyme disease invades red blood

cells and distorts their shape, and Babesia destroys red blood cells.

Vickie

>

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have Babesia, Erhlcihia, Lyme, etc. Can anyone tell me if these

> microbes can actually alter bone marrow and possibly alter DNA

>causing

> low blood cell production. I know that hemolysis can occur, too.

>

> I have a hemotologist that does not understand the tick diseases

>and

> thinks I may possibly have pre-leukimia condition called

> myelodysplastic syndrome . . can tick disease mimick these same

> symptoms by the microbes suppressing the bone marrow?

>

> Thank you,

> Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Sue, you may already know this, but Lyme disease invades red blood

> cells and distorts their shape, and Babesia destroys red blood cells.

>

> Vickie

>

>

Hi Vickie,

Thanks for your help.

I understand that Lyme and Babesia affects reb blood cells,

but I need to know if it actually affects them in the bone marrow.

The hemotologist beleives I am making enough reticuloctes in my bone

marrow plus I have high MCV with the lower ferritin..

It is a tough one . . . I really think my bone marrow issues are

related to the tick diseases and methylation issue regarding the high

RBC folate trap and slightly low B12, too.

Best wishes, Sue T

[Guest guest]

Ooops . . . I meant to say that tye hemotologist said I am not

making very many reticulocytes.

Sue T

> >

> > Sue, you may already know this, but Lyme disease invades red

blood

> > cells and distorts their shape, and Babesia destroys red blood

cells.

> >

> > Vickie

> >

> >

> Hi Vickie,

>

> Thanks for your help.

> I understand that Lyme and Babesia affects reb blood cells,

> but I need to know if it actually affects them in the bone marrow.

> The hemotologist beleives I am making enough reticuloctes in my

bone

> marrow plus I have high MCV with the lower ferritin..

> It is a tough one . . . I really think my bone marrow issues are

> related to the tick diseases and methylation issue regarding the

high

> RBC folate trap and slightly low B12, too.

>

> Best wishes, Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

>

> A few years ago I had my red blood cell looked at under a

microscope. I got to look at them myself, too. They were definetly

not normal, none of them. Some were clumped together and the rest

were oval or shrunken. I do have lyme.

>

And to think they keep saying " There are no tests that can show signs

of CFS " !

Haven't doctors ever seen those commercials on television showing red

cells as concave discoids?

One look at a CFSers blood should be able to convince anyone that

whateer this is, it surely is isn't AIYH.

I don't know if I have Lyme or not, but I wouldn't be surprised.

-

[Guest guest]

Sue, I do know that babesia can be found in the bone marrow. I would

imagine it could be suppressive.

>

> Hi All,

>

> I have Babesia, Erhlcihia, Lyme, etc. Can anyone tell me if these

> microbes can actually alter bone marrow and possibly alter DNA causing

> low blood cell production. I know that hemolysis can occur, too.

>

> I have a hemotologist that does not understand the tick diseases and

> thinks I may possibly have pre-leukimia condition called

> myelodysplastic syndrome . . can tick disease mimick these same

> symptoms by the microbes suppressing the bone marrow?

>

> Thank you,

> Sue T

>

[Guest guest]

Sue T,

I know of one person who had a bone marrow biopsy which was tested by

PCR for mycoplasma fermentans. His bone marrow was positive. This

does not look good. I think an even scarier question would be are

stem cells infected?

But what are you going to do if borrelia and mycoplasma do get in the

bone marrow?

a Carnes

> >

> > Sue, you may already know this, but Lyme disease invades red

blood

> > cells and distorts their shape, and Babesia destroys red blood

cells.

> >

> > Vickie

> >

> >

> Hi Vickie,

>

> Thanks for your help.

> I understand that Lyme and Babesia affects reb blood cells,

> but I need to know if it actually affects them in the bone marrow.

> The hemotologist beleives I am making enough reticuloctes in my

bone

> marrow plus I have high MCV with the lower ferritin..

> It is a tough one . . . I really think my bone marrow issues are

> related to the tick diseases and methylation issue regarding the

high

> RBC folate trap and slightly low B12, too.

>

> Best wishes, Sue T

>