Re: effects of whey....fuzziness

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Hi

I was wondering if anyone else had the same reaction to undenatured whey (in

my case ImmunoPro) as I do?

I get mentally fuzzy or cloudy for a while. It usually wears off, but it makes

me feel like curling up in bed until it passes.

I assume it's something to do with the release of toxins or the movement of

toxins....but I'd be interested in some input.

Cheers

Louella

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Hi, Louella.

As more PWCs have been getting their genetic polymorphisms

characterized by the Complete Basic SNP Panel 1 from

http://www.testing4health.com, we are finding that quite a few have

polymorphisms in their CBS (cystathionine beta synthase) and/or

their SUOX (sulfite oxidase) enzymes. It appears that if a PWC is

in this category in term of polymorphisms, nondenatured whey protein

supplements can make them feel worse. I don't have enough data yet

to conclude that this is the answer, but it looks that way. Dr.

Yasko suggests that the reason is excessive generation of ammonia,

sulfite, and/or hydrogen sulfide, all of which can produce symptoms.

Another possibility is that there is probably a small amount of

casein in the whey protein products, because the separation process

is not perfect. Some people are allergic to casein. This is a

major issue in autism, which I believe shares a lot of genetics and

biochemistry with CFS. Neither the DAN! project or Dr. Yasko

recommend use of whey protein products in autism for this reason.

For a long time I was a major proponent of the use of nondenatured

whey protein by PWCs. I know that it has helped quite a few, but I

am also aware that many cannot tolerate it. In the past many of us

thought that this was just a matter of time, and that the whey

protein was producing a herxheimer (detox) reaction which would

eventually pass if people just stuck with it, starting at a lower

dosage and working up. In view of what I've learned over the past

year or so, though, I no longer believe that nondenatured whey

protein products can be used to advantage by all PWCs.

Rich

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> Hi

> I was wondering if anyone else had the same reaction to

undenatured whey (in my case ImmunoPro) as I do?

>

> I get mentally fuzzy or cloudy for a while. It usually wears

off, but it makes me feel like curling up in bed until it passes.

>

> I assume it's something to do with the release of toxins or the

movement of toxins....but I'd be interested in some input.

>

> Cheers

> Louella

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

Does this also apply to the liposomal glutathione?

Thanks, Kathy

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> > Hi

> > I was wondering if anyone else had the same reaction to

> undenatured whey (in my case ImmunoPro) as I do?

> >

> > I get mentally fuzzy or cloudy for a while. It usually wears

> off, but it makes me feel like curling up in bed until it passes.

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