Desperate helping situation

February 24, 2006

Oh dear

That must have been so hard.

I " m so sorry.

Sheri

At 04:48 PM 2/24/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>I just wanted to share a helping situation I had yesterday with a

>breastfeeding mum. It left me shakey the whole evening and night.

>She asked what to do about her baby crying/screaming during

>immunization. The Health visitor did not think that she could bf him

>during the process and she noticed that they now use a larger needle

>and they get 2 jabs now, one in each thigh... I could not help but

>give her a few words of warning even though I am not allowed to do

>this as a bf counsellor. I so badly wanted to say " please don't do it "

>but I couldn't; she is not open to any suggestion and information

>about vaccination at all. I was sooooo upset because I can see them

>going through what I went through with my son, eczema, crying, arching

>back, refusing to feed etc.

>It felt like giving her permission to cross the road and know that she

>and her baby will get hit by traffic. A very strange feeling.

>I just had to let go of it eventually and leave it or my heart would

>break again and again.

>Maybe she will use the seed I planted and do some research.

>Why do people not take responsability for their life but let the

>government do it for them? I guess it is so much easier to just let

>someone else do the thinking for you instead of doing it yourself.

>They have got people right where they want them, haven't they?

>Love and peace to you all

>Ingrid (Scotland)>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

February 24, 2006

Yikes Ingrid? I am not sure what i would do. I would also be very disturbed by

it. I guess you can just reach the people who are willing to listen and who are

willing to do some research. Mona

Desperate helping situation

Hi all,

I just wanted to share a helping situation I had yesterday with a

breastfeeding mum. It left me shakey the whole evening and night.

She asked what to do about her baby crying/screaming during

immunization. The Health visitor did not think that she could bf him

during the process and she noticed that they now use a larger needle

and they get 2 jabs now, one in each thigh... I could not help but

give her a few words of warning even though I am not allowed to do

this as a bf counsellor. I so badly wanted to say " please don't do it "

but I couldn't; she is not open to any suggestion and information

about vaccination at all. I was sooooo upset because I can see them

going through what I went through with my son, eczema, crying, arching

back, refusing to feed etc.

It felt like giving her permission to cross the road and know that she

and her baby will get hit by traffic. A very strange feeling.

I just had to let go of it eventually and leave it or my heart would

break again and again.

Maybe she will use the seed I planted and do some research.

Why do people not take responsability for their life but let the

government do it for them? I guess it is so much easier to just let

someone else do the thinking for you instead of doing it yourself.

They have got people right where they want them, haven't they?

Love and peace to you all

Ingrid (Scotland)

February 24, 2006

Hi Ingrid --

Even if you're allowed to discuss it., not everyone is ready for the

message. Through the years I've had moms get up and leave when I've spoken

about some of the dangers they're exposing their children to - cleaning

chemicals, nitrates, toxins in personal care products, let alone meds and

vaxs. I'm the messenger and I'm passionate about the message (and I offer

statistics to back it up), but after that, it's all up to them. Years ago

it would upset me, these days I sleep knowing I tried.

On 2/24/06, ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> I just wanted to share a helping situation I had yesterday with a

> breastfeeding mum. It left me shakey the whole evening and night.

> She asked what to do about her baby crying/screaming during

> immunization. The Health visitor did not think that she could bf him

> during the process and she noticed that they now use a larger needle

> and they get 2 jabs now, one in each thigh... I could not help but

> give her a few words of warning even though I am not allowed to do

> this as a bf counsellor. I so badly wanted to say " please don't do it "

> but I couldn't; she is not open to any suggestion and information

> about vaccination at all. I was sooooo upset because I can see them

> going through what I went through with my son, eczema, crying, arching

> back, refusing to feed etc.

> It felt like giving her permission to cross the road and know that she

> and her baby will get hit by traffic. A very strange feeling.

> I just had to let go of it eventually and leave it or my heart would

> break again and again.

> Maybe she will use the seed I planted and do some research.

> Why do people not take responsability for their life but let the

> government do it for them? I guess it is so much easier to just let

> someone else do the thinking for you instead of doing it yourself.

> They have got people right where they want them, haven't they?

> Love and peace to you all

> Ingrid (Scotland)

Health & blessings,

CREATING HEALTHIER LIVES...

one family at a time!

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

February 24, 2006

It's true so many aren't ready for it- it's like they are in their " comfort

zone " and not ready to venture outside that right now, having a false sense of

security. With me, if the topic is brought up, I am honest and still

understanding, and it's at least comforting in some form to know you've " planted

the seed " that will hopefully get them to thinking, researching, questioning on

their own.

P <ExcitingHealth@...> wrote:

Hi Ingrid --

Even if you're allowed to discuss it., not everyone is ready for the

message.

Momma to Noah (2/16/01), (7/10/02), & Grayson (10/7/05)

http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/

---------------------------------

Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze.

February 24, 2006

I just wanted to scream last week. I had to go to the health department to get a

TB test for work (I do in home senior care). I was sitting in my chair near the

intake desk and this family comes in. They sat down at the desk and start

talking about the one girl who looked about 12. She had juvenile diabetes,

epilepsy and asthma and they were there GETTING HER VACCINATED against something

or other. I wanted to beat the mother over thehead for her ignorance and the

nurses too! Good grief that girl will be lucky to see her 16th birthday.

LaFay

LaFay Halter Horses

LaFayHalterHorses@... or

mblafay@...

Desperate helping situation

February 24, 2006

don't think she is ignorant, maybe she just doesn't know better.

Ummm...That's what ignorance is - lack of knowledge. I wasn't mad at her for not

knowing, just frustrated at the lack of knowledge. I do not mean ignorance as a

deroggatory term, I am ignorant about many many things.

LaFay

LaFay Halter Horses

LaFayHalterHorses@... or

mblafay@...

Re: Desperate helping situation

February 24, 2006

Hi,

I have just recently discovered that we should not be vaccinating. I know

that to those of you who have been on here for a while that may sound like

ignorance, but I really don't believe that's what it is. We are raised a

certain way and believe things to be done for all the right reasons. It's

not until we start questioning that we see that we have other choices. Part

of this is because we are a trusting society and can't believe that we would

be told to put something in our kids that would be harmful. When you know

better you do better. I do realize that is not true for everyone but it is

true in my case. So the next time you see someone vaccinating there child

who is already very sick don't think she is ignorant, maybe she just doesn't

know better.

Desperate helping situation

>

February 24, 2006

Maybe I misunderstood how you meant it. However I do think that even if we

think that others don't want to hear what we have to say about the issue we

should still bring up the topic. I know that if I were getting my child

vaccinated and someone came up to me and told me very kindly what I was

doing, I may not want to hear it but I believe I would have gone home and

done some research about the issue.

I know that some would still make the choice to vaccinate. I have a really

good friend that just had a baby about 4 wks ago and I have sent her some of

the things I have read and I believe that she will probably still get her

baby vaccinated. I don't understand it but I had to tell her.

Some people honestly don't know any better and I do realize that other just

don't care.

I have learned a lot from this group.

sorry for the misunderstanding,

Re: Desperate helping situation

>

February 25, 2006

You are so right .

We all didn't know better at one time.

Thanks for reminding us!

Sheri

At 10:45 PM 2/24/2006 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi,

>I have just recently discovered that we should not be vaccinating. I know

>that to those of you who have been on here for a while that may sound like

>ignorance, but I really don't believe that's what it is. We are raised a

>certain way and believe things to be done for all the right reasons. It's

>not until we start questioning that we see that we have other choices. Part

>of this is because we are a trusting society and can't believe that we would

>be told to put something in our kids that would be harmful. When you know

>better you do better. I do realize that is not true for everyone but it is

>true in my case. So the next time you see someone vaccinating there child

>who is already very sick don't think she is ignorant, maybe she just doesn't

>know better.

>

> Re: Desperate helping situation

>

>> I just wanted to scream last week. I had to go to the health department to

>get a TB test for work (I do in home senior care). I was sitting in my chair

>near the intake desk and this family comes in. They sat down at the desk and

>start talking about the one girl who looked about 12. She had juvenile

>diabetes, epilepsy and asthma and they were there GETTING HER VACCINATED

>against something or other. I wanted to beat the mother over thehead for her

>ignorance and the nurses too! Good grief that girl will be lucky to see her

>16th birthday.

>>

>> LaFay>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

February 25, 2006

Hi Ingrid,

I do feel for you. This subject came up several times for me during my time

as a breastfeeding counsellor in the UK. Like you, I had the conflict with

being a non-vaxing mum but not being able to say anything to advise them

against it. The way I dealt with it was, when they asked what they could do

to soothe/comfort their baby during vaccination, I said that I couldn't

offer any suggestions because it was an issue I hadn't had to face. That

usually led to them asking why not, at which point I would say that it was

because I didn't vax. Some mums did ask for more information, at which

point I would say that I was an alternative practitioner away from the b/f

counselling and tell them as much as I could *with my practitioner's hat

on*. ) I did make the point that I wasn't allowed to say anything of

that nature as a b/f counsellor. But a few went away and found out more for

themselves, and if they asked me, I always offered websites and books for

them to follow up.

It is hard, and it goes against the grain to do or say anything that gives

the impression that you support the procedure, but as you say, you're not

allowed to openly decry it.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" For those who believe, no proof is necessary.

For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. "