Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 No, my safe is not with you. ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 My thoughts have no boundaries. I only asked you to source yours a bit. I am still curious as to how you propose this plan would work. Are there no expectations or requirements? I am willing to entertain just about anything that has at least a theory. I am a progressive thinker with common sense requirements. I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. --------------------------------- Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a joke? Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: No, my safe is not with you. ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has, however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A major fraud against the American people and the world. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a joke? Anita ben jackson wrote: No, my safe is not with you. ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 " I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? " Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben is saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws are touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy - neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers. I don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything to do with holding a license. Beverle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I have many issues with the government. I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations for one. Governments have been corrupt since the beginning of time. I do my best to pick and chose my battles and to legally and safely navigate through the options that are available to me and my family. What else can I do? Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has, however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A major fraud against the American people and the world. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a joke? Anita ben jackson wrote: No, my safe is not with you. ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I don't drive much any more Beverle, but I know it's getting worse all the time. Take away licensing and I promise you - you ain't seen nothin yet. Anita " Beverle G. Sweitzer " <abernco@...> wrote: " I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? " Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben is saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws are touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy - neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers. I don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything to do with holding a license. Beverle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None! Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I have many issues with the government. I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations for one. Governments have been corrupt since the beginning of time. I do my best to pick and chose my battles and to legally and safely navigate through the options that are available to me and my family. What else can I do? Anita ben jackson wrote: To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has, however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A major fraud against the American people and the world. Anita Durney wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a joke? Anita ben jackson wrote: No, my safe is not with you. ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you. Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to. >Wither thou goest, I go also... As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers License. ;~) lol please! Anita ben jackson wrote: Where is it written that I cannot? Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's your " right " ? Anita ben jackson wrote: That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity. At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right. Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license. Thanks, Anita ben jackson wrote: You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses, which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities... wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars. That's still our choice. AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car is still safer than walking. ; ) --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 As I stated in my earlier post. Issue a license one time, no darn renewals...that way, we don't have DMV as another form of " god " so to speak. If one violates a rule of the road, a point or points are deducted from the alloted points given on a new license. When those points run out, one has to go through hoops to get another renewal or suffer the consequences. It's that simple. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I don't drive much any more Beverle, but I know it's getting worse all the time. Take away licensing and I promise you - you ain't seen nothin yet. Anita " Beverle G. Sweitzer " wrote: " I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? " Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben is saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws are touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy - neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers. I don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything to do with holding a license. Beverle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 The government is what's pushing needles full of mutant diseases into the arms of innocent healthy children. That is very real Ben and why most of us are on this group in the first place. Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None! --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I truly understand. I have children of my own and most of mine are considered " gifted " by the school system. The very ones who help push the drugs on my children! I'm with you on this one, but I can't help talking of other issues also because everything is tied in and related to this forum...I'm with you, forgive my forewardness. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: The government is what's pushing needles full of mutant diseases into the arms of innocent healthy children. That is very real Ben and why most of us are on this group in the first place. Anita ben jackson wrote: You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None! --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I've been with you on most things too Ben. Anita ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I truly understand. I have children of my own and most of mine are considered " gifted " by the school system. The very ones who help push the drugs on my children! I'm with you on this one, but I can't help talking of other issues also because everything is tied in and related to this forum...I'm with you, forgive my forewardness. Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: The government is what's pushing needles full of mutant diseases into the arms of innocent healthy children. That is very real Ben and why most of us are on this group in the first place. Anita ben jackson wrote: You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None! --------------------------------- Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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