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I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to continue this discussion. I

feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't seem to have any real

answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State

Drivers License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Where is it written that driving a

mobile death machine is a natural right? How is this one time issuance to be

determined? Are there any expectations before one is issued a license or you

just get one because it's your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little

more than that to continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid

questions that you don't seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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No, my safe is not with you.

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts

only reach so far. I had expectations for you.

Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to

continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't

seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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My thoughts have no boundaries. I only asked you to source yours a bit. I am

still curious as to how you propose this plan would work. Are there no

expectations or requirements? I am willing to entertain just about anything that

has at least a theory.

I am a progressive thinker with common sense requirements. I fail to see how

handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are entitled to one is a

safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others responsible in an

irresponsible system of driving?

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had expectations for you.

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Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a joke?

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

No, my safe is not with you.

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts

only reach so far. I had expectations for you.

Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to

continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't

seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that

the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has

never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has,

however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A

major fraud against the American people and the world.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with

me, or was that a joke?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

No, my safe is not with you.

ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had

expectations for you.

Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to

continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't

seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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" I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are

entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others

responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? "

Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a

Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they

threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a

way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben

is saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws

are touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy

- neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers.

I don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they

can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything

to do with holding a license.

Beverle

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I have many issues with the government. I don't believe in mandatory

vaccinations for one. Governments have been corrupt since the beginning of time.

I do my best to pick and chose my battles and to legally and safely navigate

through the options that are available to me and my family. What else can I do?

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that

the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has

never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has,

however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A

major fraud against the American people and the world.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with

me, or was that a joke?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

No, my safe is not with you.

ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had

expectations for you.

Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to

continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't

seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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I don't drive much any more Beverle, but I know it's getting worse all the time.

Take away licensing and I promise you - you ain't seen nothin yet.

Anita

" Beverle G. Sweitzer " <abernco@...> wrote:

" I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are

entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others

responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? "

Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a

Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they

threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a

way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben

is saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws

are touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy

- neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers.

I don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they

can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything

to do with holding a license.

Beverle

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You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government!

None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None!

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I have many issues with the

government. I don't believe in mandatory vaccinations for one. Governments have

been corrupt since the beginning of time. I do my best to pick and chose my

battles and to legally and safely navigate through the options that are

available to me and my family. What else can I do?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

To tell you the truth, I would not be safe with you as long as you think that

the current " government " is lawfully in seat. This country called America has

never had a seat of government since it went sin die...This country has,

however, a corporate entity acting as a government " under color of law " . A major

fraud against the American people and the world.

Anita Durney wrote: Did you mean your " safety " is not with me, or was that a

joke?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

No, my safe is not with you.

ben jackson wrote: I'm so sorry your thoughts only reach so far. I had

expectations for you.

Anita Durney wrote: I'm sorry Ben, but I need a little more than that to

continue this discussion. I feel I have asked you valid questions that you don't

seem to have any real answers to.

>Wither thou goest, I go also...

As for that remark, your safe with me Ben, I have a valid New York State Drivers

License. ;~) lol please!

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

Where is it written that I cannot?

Anita Durney wrote: Where is it written that driving a mobile death machine is a

natural right? How is this one time issuance to be determined? Are there any

expectations before one is issued a license or you just get one because it's

your " right " ?

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

That's what I'm saying. Of course, one would be responsible for their own

actions. I believe that a drivers license should be a one time issuance, until

one shows no responsibility, then, points are deducted until one has no points

at all. At that point, one cannot operate in commerce, or, in private capacity.

At this point and time, we are issued commercial licenses disguised as privately

issued. The DMV has no authority to make driving a privilege, it is a Right.

Anita Durney wrote: Are you saying anyone should have the freedom to get behind

the wheel of car? If not, what do you mean by your comment below. Please explain

how involuntary servitude relates to obtaining a drivers license.

Thanks,

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You are correct that the gov't does not force travel, but they force licenses,

which is involuntary servitude among other violations of human dignities...

wrote: Yes, but the government is not forcing anyone to ride in cars.

That's still our choice.

AND, they are not publicly telling us the dead and mangled bodies

are the result of a genetic predisposition, and that riding in a car

is still safer than walking.

; )

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As I stated in my earlier post. Issue a license one time, no darn

renewals...that way, we don't have DMV as another form of " god " so to speak. If

one violates a rule of the road, a point or points are deducted from the alloted

points given on a new license. When those points run out, one has to go through

hoops to get another renewal or suffer the consequences. It's that simple.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: I don't drive much any more Beverle,

but I know it's getting worse all the time. Take away licensing and I promise

you - you ain't seen nothin yet.

Anita

" Beverle G. Sweitzer " wrote:

" I fail to see how handing a license to anyone who wants or feels they are

entitled to one is a safe and responsible thing to do. How are we to hold others

responsible in an irresponsible system of driving? "

Kind of seems to me that they are doing that now...or haven't you driven a

Beltway or Freeway lately? The only way others are held responsible is if they

threaten or hurt someone. Their license didn't change anything. It is mostly a

way for the gov't to track, tax and charge individuals. I understand what Ben is

saying, I just don't know how to get around it. Licenses and driving laws are

touted as a way to protect but you can't legislate common sense or courtesy -

neither of which I see being demonstrated by most of today's licensed drivers. I

don't need nanny government protecting me. They haven't in the past and they

can't now. I will protect myself and driving defensively doesn't have anything

to do with holding a license.

Beverle

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The government is what's pushing needles full of mutant diseases into the arms

of innocent healthy children. That is very real Ben and why most of us are on

this group in the first place.

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government!

None! Where is the GOVERNMENT? None!

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I truly understand. I have children of my own and most of mine are considered

" gifted " by the school system. The very ones who help push the drugs on my

children! I'm with you on this one, but I can't help talking of other issues

also because everything is tied in and related to this forum...I'm with you,

forgive my forewardness.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: The government is what's pushing

needles full of mutant diseases into the arms of innocent healthy children. That

is very real Ben and why most of us are on this group in the first place.

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None!

Where is the GOVERNMENT? None!

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I've been with you on most things too Ben.

Anita

ben jackson <cranium_stretched@...> wrote:

I truly understand. I have children of my own and most of mine are considered

" gifted " by the school system. The very ones who help push the drugs on my

children! I'm with you on this one, but I can't help talking of other issues

also because everything is tied in and related to this forum...I'm with you,

forgive my forewardness.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote: The government is what's pushing

needles full of mutant diseases into the arms of innocent healthy children. That

is very real Ben and why most of us are on this group in the first place.

Anita

ben jackson wrote:

You didn't read my post! I stated that we don't have a seat of government! None!

Where is the GOVERNMENT? None!

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