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What a heart-wrenching story. Looking back I see it in one (maybe 2) of my

step-children. Dutiful stepmom took them in for all the jabs and sugar cubes

and whatever crap they were handing out. I just thought, at the time, they

didn't like having a new mom and were being horrible because of it. But now I

see many signs of " damage " . If I started beating myself up now I would never

stop.

My grand-nephew is (what I perceive) in the Asperger spectrum. I have

purchased several of Temple Grandin's books and you might like to look there.

Temple is autistic and functions because of meds but she has a unique insight

into autism and its many faces. Do a google and then check at Amazon. Being

armed with all the knowledge you can garner is a big help in itself.

Beverle

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Oh , you poor thing.

Is there any way to get the doctor to support you in filing a vaccine injury

claim? I mean if he said don't vax her any more, obviously he realized that the

child had a terrible reaction!

Sheri B.

<dboskma@...> wrote:

Hi after reading the below I have some thoughts and questions

> vaccine-induced encephalitis - the varying degrees of the encephalitis

> range from:

> 1. irritability

> 2. intractable crying

> 3. seizures

> 4. hyperactivity

> 5. ADD/ADHD

> 6. autism

> 7. death (SIDS & other)

>

> And anything else in between - its because of the

> inflammation of their little brains.

My oldest is now 11yo.

When she was born I didn't know all the stuff surrounding vaccinations and

just did what everybody else did.

At the first vax at 3mos she didn't really react much. She was irritated and

slept almost 24 hours. According to the docs. normal reaction. I accepted

that. The next vax ended up with a different situation. For 24 hours I

couldn't touch her without her screaming like hell. The rest of the time she

made some humming type of sound that made the chills go down my spine. Like

she was in severe pain. She has a heavy fever. I called the doc and the doc

told me that this can happen and not to worry unless it lasted more than 24

hours. It didn't. I still felt terrible about it and started reading more

and more. I tried talking to her dad about it, but he was of the opinion

this was the way it was supposed to be and when the doc said nothing was

wrong then nothing was wrong. So I was even stupid enough to take her in for

her next set of vax. Then the whole scene of the time before repeated

itself, but then lasted 48 hours.

Our doc then told me to not vax again. I started reading like an idiot and

decided to never vax another child again. I still am not sure what happened

to her and if we can fix anything with homeopathy, even though I learned a

lot about it myself in the last years.

Before she went to school she could read and write a bit and was pretty good

at math. They wanted her to do things different in school than her brain

worked, so 3,5 years later she couldn't do anything anymore. They had her

tested and came up with signs of autism, but not fully so no diagnosis. They

also saw a lot of signs of ADHD and hyperactivity, but not enough for a

diagnosis. I am happy that she didn't get any of these labels, except for

probably dyslexia. We took her out of school so she can learn in her own way

which is working out better than it did in school. We have found out in the

meantime that she is gifted.

I wonder if this what I described before is encephalitis. I am pretty sure.

And if anyone knows how the damage that has no doubt occured can be helped

to repair?

I have visited a classical homeopath with her, and we had some meds, but we

were told it was impossible to fully get repaired.

I would like to find more ways of repair as we do know that her behaviour is

different from other children and I would like to see her get better again,

she also wants it, as she notices her own inabilities with friends and wants

to be cured.

Thanks for any help.

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Temple Grandin is one of the first autistics to bring us into the mind and body

of those who live with this difficult disorder. She is very articulate and

insightful, but we must remember she has an IQ of 140 which is by no means

" typical " for this population.

I love the way she explains autistic Children/adults as having " specialized "

brains and having no time for idle chit chat. I think that's her child-like way

of explaining, at least in part, the social deficit that exists among them.

Temple did grow up with the priveledge of having a very committed and

insightful mother who hired a nanny that felt she work with her as she had

already had experience working with a little boy who displayed the same

characteristics.

I have been meaning to read more of her facinating interviews myself. I think

the best bit of info I picked up from Miss Grandin, was to find your childs

talents and encourage them all the way. There will be a future in the work force

for those with " specialized " abilities, so as parents, it is our job to see the

gifts as early as possible and nourish them.

Anita

" Beverle G. Sweitzer " <abernco@...> wrote:

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What a heart-wrenching story. Looking back I see it in one (maybe 2) of my

step-children. Dutiful stepmom took them in for all the jabs and sugar cubes

and whatever crap they were handing out. I just thought, at the time, they

didn't like having a new mom and were being horrible because of it. But now I

see many signs of " damage " . If I started beating myself up now I would never

stop.

My grand-nephew is (what I perceive) in the Asperger spectrum. I have

purchased several of Temple Grandin's books and you might like to look there.

Temple is autistic and functions because of meds but she has a unique insight

into autism and its many faces. Do a google and then check at Amazon. Being

armed with all the knowledge you can garner is a big help in itself.

Beverle

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Hey Anita,

I don't know anything about Temple Grandin (but would like to). I have heard,

however, that autistic children and children on the spectrum are usually QUITE

intelligent (my nephew is three and can read, for example). Have even heard

that if this is a genetic predisposition that it might fall on genes dealing

with intelligence.

Has anyone heard this?

Sheri B.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Temple Grandin is one of the first autistics to bring us into the mind and

body of those who live with this difficult disorder. She is very articulate and

insightful, but we must remember she has an IQ of 140 which is by no means

" typical " for this population.

I love the way she explains autistic Children/adults as having " specialized "

brains and having no time for idle chit chat. I think that's her child-like way

of explaining, at least in part, the social deficit that exists among them.

Temple did grow up with the priveledge of having a very committed and

insightful mother who hired a nanny that felt she work with her as she had

already had experience working with a little boy who displayed the same

characteristics.

I have been meaning to read more of her facinating interviews myself. I think

the best bit of info I picked up from Miss Grandin, was to find your childs

talents and encourage them all the way. There will be a future in the work force

for those with " specialized " abilities, so as parents, it is our job to see the

gifts as early as possible and nourish them.

Anita

" Beverle G. Sweitzer " <abernco@...> wrote:

:

What a heart-wrenching story. Looking back I see it in one (maybe 2) of my

step-children. Dutiful stepmom took them in for all the jabs and sugar cubes

and whatever crap they were handing out. I just thought, at the time, they

didn't like having a new mom and were being horrible because of it. But now I

see many signs of " damage " . If I started beating myself up now I would never

stop.

My grand-nephew is (what I perceive) in the Asperger spectrum. I have

purchased several of Temple Grandin's books and you might like to look there.

Temple is autistic and functions because of meds but she has a unique insight

into autism and its many faces. Do a google and then check at Amazon. Being

armed with all the knowledge you can garner is a big help in itself.

Beverle

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Hello there Sheri,

I think it is a result of brain damage in that where there is a major deficit,

a surplus exisits. Think of a how keen a blind persons sense of smell is, though

I'm not sure that's the best example I could use. I do know that children with

savant abilities lose or diminish the gift as they begin to progress in other

areas.

I have read stats indicating a large percentage of autism is accompanied by

mental retardation of varying degrees. It is true, however, many enjoy a high

level of intelligence. I was told by the school psychologist that anything over

100 is considered above average. 140 IQ is really quite rare. :~)

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Hey Anita,

I don't know anything about Temple Grandin (but would like to). I have heard,

however, that autistic children and children on the spectrum are usually QUITE

intelligent (my nephew is three and can read, for example). Have even heard

that if this is a genetic predisposition that it might fall on genes dealing

with intelligence.

Has anyone heard this?

Sheri B.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Temple Grandin is one of the first autistics to bring us into the mind and

body of those who live with this difficult disorder. She is very articulate and

insightful, but we must remember she has an IQ of 140 which is by no means

" typical " for this population.

I love the way she explains autistic Children/adults as having " specialized "

brains and having no time for idle chit chat. I think that's her child-like way

of explaining, at least in part, the social deficit that exists among them.

Temple did grow up with the priveledge of having a very committed and

insightful mother who hired a nanny that felt she work with her as she had

already had experience working with a little boy who displayed the same

characteristics.

I have been meaning to read more of her facinating interviews myself. I think

the best bit of info I picked up from Miss Grandin, was to find your childs

talents and encourage them all the way. There will be a future in the work force

for those with " specialized " abilities, so as parents, it is our job to see the

gifts as early as possible and nourish them.

Anita

" Beverle G. Sweitzer " <abernco@...> wrote:

:

What a heart-wrenching story. Looking back I see it in one (maybe 2) of my

step-children. Dutiful stepmom took them in for all the jabs and sugar cubes

and whatever crap they were handing out. I just thought, at the time, they

didn't like having a new mom and were being horrible because of it. But now I

see many signs of " damage " . If I started beating myself up now I would never

stop.

My grand-nephew is (what I perceive) in the Asperger spectrum. I have

purchased several of Temple Grandin's books and you might like to look there.

Temple is autistic and functions because of meds but she has a unique insight

into autism and its many faces. Do a google and then check at Amazon. Being

armed with all the knowledge you can garner is a big help in itself.

Beverle

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Oh Diane, that 24hr period of being unable to touch your baby without her

screaming must have been so frightening for you. One minute of it would be too

long. When can you have her evaluated again?

Anita

<dboskma@...> wrote:

Hi after reading the below I have some thoughts and questions

> vaccine-induced encephalitis - the varying degrees of the encephalitis

> range from:

> 1. irritability

> 2. intractable crying

> 3. seizures

> 4. hyperactivity

> 5. ADD/ADHD

> 6. autism

> 7. death (SIDS & other)

>

> And anything else in between - its because of the

> inflammation of their little brains.

My oldest is now 11yo.

When she was born I didn't know all the stuff surrounding vaccinations and

just did what everybody else did.

At the first vax at 3mos she didn't really react much. She was irritated and

slept almost 24 hours. According to the docs. normal reaction. I accepted

that. The next vax ended up with a different situation. For 24 hours I

couldn't touch her without her screaming like hell. The rest of the time she

made some humming type of sound that made the chills go down my spine. Like

she was in severe pain. She has a heavy fever. I called the doc and the doc

told me that this can happen and not to worry unless it lasted more than 24

hours. It didn't. I still felt terrible about it and started reading more

and more. I tried talking to her dad about it, but he was of the opinion

this was the way it was supposed to be and when the doc said nothing was

wrong then nothing was wrong. So I was even stupid enough to take her in for

her next set of vax. Then the whole scene of the time before repeated

itself, but then lasted 48 hours.

Our doc then told me to not vax again. I started reading like an idiot and

decided to never vax another child again. I still am not sure what happened

to her and if we can fix anything with homeopathy, even though I learned a

lot about it myself in the last years.

Before she went to school she could read and write a bit and was pretty good

at math. They wanted her to do things different in school than her brain

worked, so 3,5 years later she couldn't do anything anymore. They had her

tested and came up with signs of autism, but not fully so no diagnosis. They

also saw a lot of signs of ADHD and hyperactivity, but not enough for a

diagnosis. I am happy that she didn't get any of these labels, except for

probably dyslexia. We took her out of school so she can learn in her own way

which is working out better than it did in school. We have found out in the

meantime that she is gifted.

I wonder if this what I described before is encephalitis. I am pretty sure.

And if anyone knows how the damage that has no doubt occured can be helped

to repair?

I have visited a classical homeopath with her, and we had some meds, but we

were told it was impossible to fully get repaired.

I would like to find more ways of repair as we do know that her behaviour is

different from other children and I would like to see her get better again,

she also wants it, as she notices her own inabilities with friends and wants

to be cured.

Thanks for any help.

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Hi Sheri,

> Oh , you poor thing.

>

> Is there any way to get the doctor to support you in filing a

> vaccine injury claim? I mean if he said don't vax her any more,

> obviously he realized that the child had a terrible reaction!

To be honest, I do not feel like a poor thing at all, to the contrary,

I have to fight for her and help her get as healed as we possibly can.

Its my daughter who is the victim.

On the filing a claim issue: This happened in The Netherlands and I

asked the doc. about it. There is no possiblity for filing a claim, as

they request you to sign " to agree " , but when read the piece it

basically meant a waiver of all rights. Nobody tells you that.

Furthermore only doctors can get a registration done at the RIVM, not

an individual.

My doc. told me back then that there is very little use in trying it.

He tried before, but it has to be 100% sure that the illness or

whatever came from the vax., which is virtually impossible to prove he

noticed. So I had to let that go.

Cheers,

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I have just been reading a bit on the website of the RIVM and the

related RVP website. Literally is written there:

" De relatie tussen een reactie en de vaccinatie kan echter nooit met

zekerheid worden vastgesteld. "

Which means so much as: One can never be certain about the relation

between the vaccination and the reaction.

When will they get a brain.

Cheers,

>

> Hi Sheri,

>

> > Oh , you poor thing.

> >

> > Is there any way to get the doctor to support you in filing a

> > vaccine injury claim? I mean if he said don't vax her any more,

> > obviously he realized that the child had a terrible reaction!

>

> To be honest, I do not feel like a poor thing at all, to the contrary,

> I have to fight for her and help her get as healed as we possibly can.

> Its my daughter who is the victim.

>

> On the filing a claim issue: This happened in The Netherlands and I

> asked the doc. about it. There is no possiblity for filing a claim, as

> they request you to sign " to agree " , but when read the piece it

> basically meant a waiver of all rights. Nobody tells you that.

> Furthermore only doctors can get a registration done at the RIVM, not

> an individual.

> My doc. told me back then that there is very little use in trying it.

> He tried before, but it has to be 100% sure that the illness or

> whatever came from the vax., which is virtually impossible to prove he

> noticed. So I had to let that go.

>

> Cheers,

>

>

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Hi Anita,

It was horror yes, especially when we called the doc and the doc said

there was nothing he could do and that this was a " normal " reaction.

Some paracetamol would help. It didn't of course. It simply got her a

little less hot.

We live in the UK now and I am not too familiar with homeopaths etc.

around here yet. We live in the area of Aldershot, so if anyone can

point me to a good homeopath that would be able to help, that would be

wonderful.

Thanks,

> Oh Diane, that 24hr period of being unable to touch your baby

without her screaming must have been so frightening for you. One

minute of it would be too long. When can you have her evaluated again?

>

> Anita

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Hello

Let me start with that I don't know much about Autism only what I read on

Sheri's site.

But I am getting to know some mothers who's child is diagnosed with Autism

and never received any vaccination?

So I was pondering. Can this Autism start in utero?

What about the rogham shot while pregnant?

What about all the ultrasounds during pregnancy, especially with high risk

pregnancies?

What about the epidural/spinal during labour? I only read one study on

epidurals during childbirth. This study says that epidurals can cause

breastfeeding problems and babies can have the medication in their system up

to 6 weeks postpartum. Unfortunately the study was never finish as the

researcher lost all the founding. I wonder why?

What about the vitamin K shot? As a doula I see this given to the baby so

fast that the mother/partner won't even see it. Mom only gets back a crying

baby. I had a mother bullied into VitK shot when she refuse by threatening

her that they will report her to the Children's Aid Society (CPS in Canada)

and she will loose her baby.

It could just be my motherly instinct or it could be that my theories could

have some truth to it.

If any of you can direct me to any web site or researches on these theories

I would greatly appreciate it.

Timéa

Mom to

(¨`·.·´¨) (1991-02-20), Christian (1991-02-20),

`·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) (1997-12-25), (2002-07-04),

`·.¸.·´ Doula, Certified Lactation Educator

In Churchill (Innisfil) Ontario

www.gentlemothering.ca

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Timea,

YES, a mother's toxicity plays a huge part in whether or not her baby becomes

autistic. You are correct.

Sheri B.

Szalay Family <szalays@...> wrote:

Hello

Let me start with that I don't know much about Autism only what I read on

Sheri's site.

But I am getting to know some mothers who's child is diagnosed with Autism

and never received any vaccination?

So I was pondering. Can this Autism start in utero?

What about the rogham shot while pregnant?

What about all the ultrasounds during pregnancy, especially with high risk

pregnancies?

What about the epidural/spinal during labour? I only read one study on

epidurals during childbirth. This study says that epidurals can cause

breastfeeding problems and babies can have the medication in their system up

to 6 weeks postpartum. Unfortunately the study was never finish as the

researcher lost all the founding. I wonder why?

What about the vitamin K shot? As a doula I see this given to the baby so

fast that the mother/partner won't even see it. Mom only gets back a crying

baby. I had a mother bullied into VitK shot when she refuse by threatening

her that they will report her to the Children's Aid Society (CPS in Canada)

and she will loose her baby.

It could just be my motherly instinct or it could be that my theories could

have some truth to it.

If any of you can direct me to any web site or researches on these theories

I would greatly appreciate it.

Timéa

Mom to

(¨`·.·´¨) (1991-02-20), Christian (1991-02-20),

`·.¸(¨`·.·´¨) (1997-12-25), (2002-07-04),

`·.¸.·´ Doula, Certified Lactation Educator

In Churchill (Innisfil) Ontario

www.gentlemothering.ca

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