Re: New member and deliberate spreading of diseases

[Guest guest]

Thankyou ,

This is an issue that is quite debatable and I can personally see both sides

of this issue.

I know our chances of catching most anything naturally is quite slim due to

the fact that I dont get out much, we homeschool and daycare is not something we

use.

Our chances of getting our children immune to a few childhood illnesses is

quite limited.

I have not seen a kid with chickenpox in over 25 yrs even though I know it

happens likely a lot more than I know about.

Personally, I do not want my kids to ever get sick.

I dont want them getting measles , mumps, rubella or chickenpox when they are

adults or teenagers either.

This is not a black or white issue. There are several shades of gray to

consider. As for my children touching the saliva of other peoples kids, that

kinda grosses me out to be honest. When kids have chickenpox parties, they share

suckers and cups which kind of repulses me but still that sounds much better

than getting all those nasty chemicals placed in a child's bloodstream.

April

But, no one is requesting that shirt to make their child sick, they are

requesting it so that their child can develop lifelong immunity to a disease

that is relatively benign in childhood, yet, could be more dangerous in

adulthood. If you ask me, that is far from child abuse, that is caring about

the future health and safety of your children.

[Guest guest]

Is it the 'wild' pox or the vaccinated/chemical variation of the

disease? THAT is the question, WHERE does the strain of current pox

come from. Wild - fair enough, but I wouldn't deliberately do that

to my children, given the chance to do it all over again. Not these

days.

JanLucy

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> Thankyou ,

>

> This is an issue that is quite debatable and I can personally

see both sides of this issue.

> I know our chances of catching most anything naturally is quite

slim due to the fact that I dont get out much, we homeschool and

daycare is not something we use.

> Our chances of getting our children immune to a few childhood

illnesses is quite limited.

>

> I have not seen a kid with chickenpox in over 25 yrs even though

I know it happens likely a lot more than I know about.

>

> Personally, I do not want my kids to ever get sick.

> I dont want them getting measles , mumps, rubella or chickenpox

when they are adults or teenagers either.

> This is not a black or white issue. There are several shades of

gray to consider. As for my children touching the saliva of other

peoples kids, that kinda grosses me out to be honest. When kids have

chickenpox parties, they share suckers and cups which kind of

repulses me but still that sounds much better than getting all those

nasty chemicals placed in a child's bloodstream.

>

> April

>

>

> But, no one is requesting that shirt to make their child sick,

they are requesting it so that their child can develop lifelong

immunity to a disease that is relatively benign in childhood, yet,

could be more dangerous in adulthood. If you ask me, that is far

from child abuse, that is caring about the future health and safety

of your children.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

JanLucy,

A good point you have made that should give us pause as to what we may

potentially be exposing our children to when engaging in this practice. The

*unknown origin*, in itself, is a risk factor, and I would avoid this for the

same reasons I avoid vaccinations.

Anita

janlucymarriott <janlucymarriott@...> wrote:

Is it the 'wild' pox or the vaccinated/chemical variation of the

disease? THAT is the question, WHERE does the strain of current pox

come from. Wild - fair enough, but I wouldn't deliberately do that

to my children, given the chance to do it all over again. Not these

days.

JanLucy

>

>

> Thankyou ,

>

> This is an issue that is quite debatable and I can personally

see both sides of this issue.

> I know our chances of catching most anything naturally is quite

slim due to the fact that I dont get out much, we homeschool and

daycare is not something we use.

> Our chances of getting our children immune to a few childhood

illnesses is quite limited.

>

> I have not seen a kid with chickenpox in over 25 yrs even though

I know it happens likely a lot more than I know about.

>

> Personally, I do not want my kids to ever get sick.

> I dont want them getting measles , mumps, rubella or chickenpox

when they are adults or teenagers either.

> This is not a black or white issue. There are several shades of

gray to consider. As for my children touching the saliva of other

peoples kids, that kinda grosses me out to be honest. When kids have

chickenpox parties, they share suckers and cups which kind of

repulses me but still that sounds much better than getting all those

nasty chemicals placed in a child's bloodstream.

>

> April

>

>

> But, no one is requesting that shirt to make their child sick,

they are requesting it so that their child can develop lifelong

immunity to a disease that is relatively benign in childhood, yet,

could be more dangerous in adulthood. If you ask me, that is far

from child abuse, that is caring about the future health and safety

of your children.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't help but wonder if an unvaccinated child who gets the chicken pox from a

vaccinated child would in fact be aquiring the lifelong immunity we know that

child would get from having the natural strain? Any thoughts anyone?

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

I do not see how exposing one's child to chicken pox in order for them gain

lifetime immunity is akin to child abuse. I just don't get it.

Ruining their immune system with a chemical cocktail that does not provide

lifetime immunity (or any immunity - just look at all the kids with the CP shot

who get the danged disease!) is more in line with child abuse in my mind.

Now if I was knowingly exposing my child to meningitis or polio - yeah, write

me up!

Sheri B.

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'll jump in with a question and introduction. My children do not get

vaccines. We are fortunate to live in a state with a philosophical exemption

and a community where many parents choose no vaccines or delayed vaccines or

selective vaccines.

My boys have had Chicken Pox and Whooping cough. The Chicken Pox was a

desirable infection, many asked for exposure and it did go around the

community. The Whooping Cough was treated like the plague! Folks went out of

their way to avoid us after we were clearly not contagious anymore. Ay yay

yay! (it was not anywhere as nasty as I imagined it might be)

Is it possible to differentiate between the wild strains and the vaccine

ones? How are they different? Do they act differently on the body (assuming

the child is not vaccinated) does one confer a stronger immunity than the

other?

Is this also true for Whooping cough?

Warmly,

on 2/6/2006 8:02 AM, Anita Durney at mydurney@... wrote:

JanLucy,

A good point you have made that should give us pause as to what we may

potentially be exposing our children to when engaging in this practice. The

*unknown origin*, in itself, is a risk factor, and I would avoid this for

the same reasons I avoid vaccinations.

Anita

[Guest guest]

> I can't help but wonder if an unvaccinated child who gets the

> chicken pox from a vaccinated child would in fact be aquiring the

> lifelong immunity we know that child would get from having the

> natural strain? Any thoughts anyone?

>

> Anita

>

NOt trying to be picky, Anita, but sadly even wild CP doesn't always give

lifelong immunity. It's not uncommon to have CP twice - I have known a

couple of people who've had it three times.

Dd had it last February. She got hers from a lad at school but I had no

worries about it being vaccine strain because they aren't regularly using it

in the UK. She had a good number of spots though, so hopefully it was a

good dose. I know some folk speculate that tendency to have it more than

once comes because it never really *comes out* the first time - ie. very few

spots, or very mild dose.

Sue

[Guest guest]

Excellent questions ! Wish I knew the answers, but will be on the edge of my

seat waiting for them.

This is purely speculative, but I think, unfortunately, because of the newness

and experimental nature of the chicken pox vaccine, we shall have to wait many

years before we know whether or not immunity is acquired. Does that sound like a

reasonable deduction?

Anita

Boisvert Mackenzie <lisaboisvert@...> wrote:

Hi,

Is it possible to differentiate between the wild strains and the vaccine

ones? How are they different? Do they act differently on the body (assuming

the child is not vaccinated) does one confer a stronger immunity than the

other?

Is this also true for Whooping cough?

Warmly,

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[Guest guest]

You know Sue, I did give that a thought after writing so finally about it. I

think typically, most get it once and are immune thereafter, but thanks for

pointing that out. ;~)

Anita

mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> I can't help but wonder if an unvaccinated child who gets the

> chicken pox from a vaccinated child would in fact be aquiring the

> lifelong immunity we know that child would get from having the

> natural strain? Any thoughts anyone?

>

> Anita

>

NOt trying to be picky, Anita, but sadly even wild CP doesn't always give

lifelong immunity. It's not uncommon to have CP twice - I have known a

couple of people who've had it three times.

Dd had it last February. She got hers from a lad at school but I had no

worries about it being vaccine strain because they aren't regularly using it

in the UK. She had a good number of spots though, so hopefully it was a

good dose. I know some folk speculate that tendency to have it more than

once comes because it never really *comes out* the first time - ie. very few

spots, or very mild dose.

Sue

[Guest guest]

I had another thought Sue. What if multiple rounds of chicken pox become the

*norm* as a result of the vaccine strain because the body can't muster up enough

of an immune response to deal with it thoroughly the first time. What if the

second and third rounds come from exposure later in life. Like all vaccines,

it's a sinister game of *wait and see*.

May I ask how you're doing?

Anita

mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

>

NOt trying to be picky, Anita, but sadly even wild CP doesn't always give

lifelong immunity. It's not uncommon to have CP twice - I have known a

couple of people who've had it three times.

Dd had it last February. She got hers from a lad at school but I had no

worries about it being vaccine strain because they aren't regularly using it

in the UK. She had a good number of spots though, so hopefully it was a

good dose. I know some folk speculate that tendency to have it more than

once comes because it never really *comes out* the first time - ie. very few

spots, or very mild dose.

Sue