Re: Aborted fetal cell lines

[Guest guest]

I didnt think abortion was legal in the US in the 1960's.... wasn't Roe V. Wade

in the early 70's?

Sheri B.

Cheryl <che2you@...> wrote:

Thanks

Re: Question

At 05:11 PM 1/25/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>I'm being told that vaccine makers haven't used aborted fetus cells since

the 60's. In effect they are using cloned cells now...

>

>Any great comebacks to this?

>

>Cheryl

>

sorry

ain't true

See my webpage

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/abortedtissue.htm

and read the links

especially here - straight from the CDC's mouth -

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/humancell.htm

" CDC is aware that some, but not all, vaccines are made from human

cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted

fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's. No new fetal

tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or in

the future. Fetal tissue is not used to produce vaccines; cell lines

generated from a single fetal tissue source are used--vaccine manufacturers

obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. "

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[Guest guest]

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[Guest guest]

They were cells from the aborted fetuses of involuntarily hospitalized

psychiatric patients. Given how people with mental illness are

regarded, I seriously doubt that informed consent was even sought, and

wouldn't be surprised if the terminations were involuntary in some

instances.

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Re: Aborted fetal cell lines

I didnt think abortion was legal in the US in the 1960's.... wasn't Roe

V. Wade in the early 70's?

Sheri B.

Cheryl <che2you@...> wrote:

Thanks

Re: Question

At 05:11 PM 1/25/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>I'm being told that vaccine makers haven't used aborted fetus cells

since

the 60's. In effect they are using cloned cells now...

>

>Any great comebacks to this?

>

>Cheryl

>

sorry

ain't true

See my webpage

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/abortedtissue.htm

and read the links

especially here - straight from the CDC's mouth -

http://www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/humancell.htm

" CDC is aware that some, but not all, vaccines are made from human

cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from

aborted

fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's. No new

fetal

tissue is needed to produce cell lines to make these vaccines, now or

in

the future. Fetal tissue is not used to produce vaccines; cell lines

generated from a single fetal tissue source are used--vaccine

manufacturers

obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. "

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

--- " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

> Oh, so they even used an illegal source? I mean if

> it's not legal in your own country, just go outside

> your country and get what you need. How

> conveeeeeenient.

> Sheri B.

well.... if it's illegal to do or sell in your country

it doesn't necessarily make it illegal for you to buy

it... i found it goes both ways, although i'm pretty

sure that's not how the powers that be intended for it

*grin*. i have no doubt they invented such loopholes

for their own benefit, but once in a while, we can

make use of it too. to give an example, in england,

the selling of stevia is illegal. but the buying

isn't. so, while i live in england, i happily buy

stevia from canada, stevia plants from germany, etc,

and nobody can do a thing about it.

just my thoughts,

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[Guest guest]

No, see my website - voluntary legal abortions in other countries from what

I understand

Where did you hear that ?

>They were cells from the aborted fetuses of involuntarily hospitalized

>psychiatric patients. Given how people with mental illness are

>regarded, I seriously doubt that informed consent was even sought, and

>wouldn't be surprised if the terminations were involuntary in some

>instances.

>

>>>

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Sheri - there is a fair amount of uncertainty as to whether the second fetal

cell line MRC-5 was taken from a woman with mental health issues or whether or

not it was voluntary or coerced. It seems " psychiatric reasons " for abortions

were loosly used at the time in England.

Anita

>In the 1970’s a second aborted fetal cell line would be introduced in Great

Britain by the Medical Research Council, named MRC-5. The cell line is derived

from the lung tissue of a 14-week gestation male aborted for “psychiatric

reasons”.[14] Two interesting points will be made here. The first, in an

interview with Father Cornforth, of the UK, February, 2003: He related

the story of how laws in England in the 1960’s - 1970’s timeframe were

supposedly designed to limit the number of abortions, allowing only for “health

of the mother”, which included mental health. He stated that the law was more of

a “wink and a nod” and that, “psychiatric reasons were commonly noted on the

records whenever no medical evidence of health problems could be legally

accounted for, and certainly when there were other more sinister motives.”

The second point of interest comes from Leonard Hayflick himself, who boasted,

“I have not only worked with WI-38 but I am the developer of that strain. MRC-5

is a copycat strain made by the Brits almost ten years after I showed them how.”

[15]

Since neither the WI-38 nor the MRC-5 abortions were done in the United

States, where at least one could speculate that even minimal informed consent

laws might have prevented mischief, there is good reason to question the

validity of the recorded reasons for the abortions.

There is certainly no way of knowing whether the mothers volunteered their

babies as research projects or not, but one could muse that especially in the

case of MRC-5, even if the mother really had psychiatric problems, she could

have been easily coerced. It may be speculation, but it deserves consideration

in light of the absolute truth the abortions had been pre-arranged to have

researchers present whose intention was extracting the tissue for vaccine

production. That fact is undeniable.

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

No, see my website - voluntary legal abortions in other countries from what

I understand

Where did you hear that ?

>They were cells from the aborted fetuses of involuntarily hospitalized

>psychiatric patients. Given how people with mental illness are

>regarded, I seriously doubt that informed consent was even sought, and

>wouldn't be surprised if the terminations were involuntary in some

>instances.

>

>>>

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[Guest guest]

Sheri B.,

What really bugs me, aside from the obvious, is that Merck & Co. had their

filthy hands in this too. Aborted fetal cell lines for their precious rubella

vaccine, thimerisol and Vioxx to name of few of their most evil works. They are

morally bankrupt and have been from the start.

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Thanks, Anita. This satisfies me. I know I don't want it in me or my kids.

Who would?

Sheri B.

Anita Durney <mydurney@...> wrote:

Sheri - I have more if you want it.

Anita

To fully understand the magnitude of intention by not only the abortionist and

the researcher, but the pharmaceutical industry as well, one needs to look at

the history of how these cell lines were obtained, by whom they were obtained

and who ultimately profited.

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[Guest guest]

Definatly - Right up until at least the mid 1980s in England the

quickest and easiest way to get an abortion was to claim it was

for " psychiatric reasons " . It was very easy to do so and I believe

what most women did or were told to do if they wanted an abortion.

~ Jowanna.

> No, see my website - voluntary legal abortions in other countries

from what

> I understand

>

> Where did you hear that ?

>

> >They were cells from the aborted fetuses of involuntarily

hospitalized

> >psychiatric patients. Given how people with mental illness are

> >regarded, I seriously doubt that informed consent was even sought,

and

> >wouldn't be surprised if the terminations were involuntary in some

> >instances.

> >

> >>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gad I wish I could remember-I will see if I can find it!!!

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RE: Aborted fetal cell lines

No, see my website - voluntary legal abortions in other countries from

what

I understand

Where did you hear that ?

[Guest guest]

This is interesting, but I am hoping to find my source for the

information that seems to be sticking in my head about the involuntarily

hospitalized-it is clearly not right (!) Drat I was hoping to indict the

psychiatric machine with something more <G>

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