Re: Vitamin C review today..............

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Sheri,

Kali and I take the NOW brand here in NY state. It is 100% pure buffered

sodium ascorbate powder. It does not say GMO free though. What's this?

Genetically modified organisms? Why would that be in there? You mean soy? I

don't think our brand does have the GMO's in it. Jenn L

Vitamin C review today..............

> I spent many hours today looking at this issue.

>

> Be sure your source is GMO free

>

> Basically sodium ascorbate the best

>

> From Tom Levy, MD (this is the new book I have that summarizes all the C

> research and I find him to be one of the best experts on Klenner who did

> all the research on Vitamin C...........sodium ascorbate form used IV and

> IM...................)

> People to listen to are Klenner, Cathcart, Levy

>

> And here are his recommendations for oral form...............EXCERPT

>

> " My Current Recommendations

> For the reasons mentioned above, I NEVER recommend the regular ingestion

of

> vitamin C as calcium ascorbate.

> The remaining mineral ascorbates are acceptable forms of vitamin C

> supplementation, but one can risk overdosing the cations if multi-gram

> doses of these forms of vitamin C are taken, with the exceptions of the

> sodium and magnesium ascorbates. [sODIUM ASCORBATE good.........Sheri]

>

> For regular daily supplementation, sodium ascorbate is an economical,

> well-tolerated form of vitamin C. While many wish to avoid the " C-flush "

> effect, it appears to be a very good way to keep the gut relatively

> detoxified and clean. For those wishing to have a near-complete absorption

> of their vitamin C dose, the liposome-encapsulated form of vitamin C is

> optimal. [sodium ascorbate economical and well

> tolerated................liposome-encapsulated form (another type) optimal

> (NO gas or diarrhea)............more on this form at

> http://www.livonlabs.com/liposomal-encapsulation.html - it sounds pretty

> wild, so not sure - will have to research more...............Sheri]

>

> For acute infectious and toxic states, I still recommend getting

> intravenous sodium ascorbate, usually at doses of 50 grams or more over

> several hours for most individuals. However, I would also recommend adding

> the liposome-encapsulated form of vitamin C orally at the same time.

>

> If the intravenous sodium ascorbate is not available, I recommend taking

> sodium ascorbate to bowel tolerance, and then taking the

> liposome-encapsulated form of vitamin C, several grams hourly, guided by

> symptoms and clinical response to determine subsequent dosing. " [looks

> like he does both of these..........Sheri]

>

>

>

> http://tomlevymd.com/archiveissue9.htm

>

> Tom Levy MD

>

> HEALTH E-BYTES

>

> Issue No. 9

> June, 2005

>

>

> The Many Faces of Vitamin C

>

> A question that has been presented to me numerous times since the

> publication of my book, Curing the Incurable: Vitamin C, Infectious

> Diseases, and Toxins, is " What kind of vitamin C should I take, and why? "

> It is a very good question, indeed, as the variable effects on both

> short-term and long-term clinical outcomes can be dramatic.

>

> It should first be emphasized that all of the forms of vitamin C share the

> characteristic of having a positively-charged cation and a

> negatively-charged anion in the dissolved form. Ascorbic acid is the

> hydrogen ion with the ascorbate anion; sodium ascorbate is the sodium ion

> with the ascorbate anion; calcium ascorbate is the calcium ion with the

> ascorbate anion; and so on. It is now readily apparent that all forms of

> vitamin C share the characteristic of having the ascorbate anion. In fact,

> it is the ascorbate anion that is the electron-donating, clinically active

> portion of all vitamin C preparations. However, the companion cations can

> have significant biological impacts as well, and this needs to be

> considered when choosing the best forms of supplementation for both

> short-term and long-term needs.

>

> Mineral Ascorbates

>

> The lion's share of all forms of vitamin C come as mineral ascorbates. The

> most common mineral ascorbates used in vitamin C supplementation include

> the following:

>

> Sodium ascorbate

> Calcium ascorbate

> Magnesium ascorbate

> Potassium ascorbate

> Manganese ascorbate

> Zinc ascorbate

> Molybdenum ascorbate

> Chromium ascorbate

>

> Sodium ascorbate is probably the best and certainly the least expensive of

> the mineral ascorbates for regular supplementation at relatively high

doses

> (six grams or more daily). Many doctors and patients fear the regular

> dosing of sodium, however, due to the long-standing medical admonition to

> minimize sodium intake, especially for hypertension and cardiac failure

> patients. Indeed, sodium chloride (table salt) has long been known to

> facilitate fluid retention (increased plasma volume), a state that

directly

> aggravates hypertension and heart failure. However, it appears that only

> sodium really results in significant fluid retention when administered

with

> the chloride anion. Sodium when given with the anions citrate, ascorbate,

> or bicarbonate does not appear to adversely affect hypertension or to

> increase blood volume. Because of these findings, it has been directly

> suggested that the concept of " sodium-dependent " hypertension should be

> changed to " sodium chloride-dependent " hypertension (Kurtz and ,

> 1983; Kurtz et al., 1987). Anecdotally, I have never found multi-gram

doses

> of sodium ascorbate to adversely affect blood pressure or blood volume

> status. However, since there always appear to be exceptions to every rule

> in biology, anyone who notices elevated blood pressures or ankle edema

> after high doses of sodium ascorbate would probably be well-advised to

> supplement with a different form of vitamin C.

>

> Calcium ascorbate is currently a very popular form of vitamin C

> supplementation. In addition to being directly labeled as calcium

> ascorbate, this form of vitamin C is also marketed as an " ester " form of

> vitamin C or a " buffered " form of vitamin C. Much of the popularity of

this

> form of vitamin C comes from the fact that many people are looking for

> extra sources of calcium on a daily basis in addition to taking their

> vitamin C. With some minor variability, these products typically deliver

> approximately 100 mg of calcium for every 800 to 900 mg of ascorbate

given.

> Also, the 100 mg or so of calcium with each gram of product usually has a

> very high degree of absorption when compared to other common forms of

> calcium supplementation, such as calcium chloride or calcium bicarbonate

> (Tsugawa et al., 1999).

>

> However, the calcium-delivering properties of calcium ascorbate are

> precisely the best reasons for avoiding this product. Although it appears

> from the early work of Weston A. Price, D.D.S. that acutely raising the

> ionic calcium levels in the blood can greatly improve the acute phases of

> healing in damaged tissues, this does not address what the long-term

> consequences of calcium administration may entail. In fact, it appears

that

> the bulk of the scientific data supports the concept that the vast

majority

> of the older population is massively overdosed on calcium and legitimately

> suffering from calcium toxicity. We continue to be stressed with warnings

> of increased risk of osteoporosis while the data clearly shows that most

> deaths in patients with osteoporosis relate to the vascular system and not

> the bones (Kruger and Horrobin, 1997). Furthermore, excess calcium in the

> coronary arteries, one marker of long-term calcium overdosage, is also

> directly correlated to increased risk of heart attack (Raggi et al.,

2003),

> increased incidence of chronic degenerative disease (Arad et al., 2001;

> Christian et al., 2003; Kiryu et al., 2003; Wong et al., 2003), and

> increased degree of overall " all-cause mortality " (Shaw et al., 2003).

>

> So, if you are a older chronic calcium supplement taker, just be aware

that

> there are negatives to this practice. The chance of dying from an

> osteoporotic fracture doesn't remotely approach the chances of dying from

a

> heart attack, cancer, or another chronic degenerative disease.

Furthermore,

> it is far from clear that the traditional treatment approach to

> osteoporosis significantly affects the likelihood of a subsequent

fracture.

> The scientific evidence, however, is very clear that supplemental calcium

> often fuels the progression of atherosclerosis, with the expected

increased

> chance of heart attack.

>

> If the above does not convince you that supplemental calcium, with very

> rare exceptions, should be completely avoided, at least start tracking

your

> calcium accumulations. The coronary artery CAT scan should show no

calcium.

> Check it. Your heart should not be calcifying. Check your ECHOcardiogram.

> Hair analysis should not show excess calcium. Check it. If any or all of

> these tests are positive for calcium, you should be especially concerned

> about dumping still more supplemental calcium into your blood and body on

a

> daily basis.

>

> Magnesium ascorbate is another significant mineral ascorbate. Unlike the

> other mineral ascorbates (except for sodium ascorbate) it is very

difficult

> to overdose on this form of ascorbate. This is because the magnesium

cation

> is very bioavailable and very effective in reversing the damage done by

> excess calcium, a condition shared by most older individuals. Bioavailable

> magnesium (as ascorbate or as magnesium-amino acid chelates; NOT the

> commonly taken magnesium oxide form) is very effective in mobilizing

> abnormally deposited calcium throughout the body. As such, it is one of

the

> most effective (and still least utilized) treatments available for

> osteoporosis.

>

> While there is nothing wrong with taking large amounts of magnesium

> ascorbate, it is more economical to take large doses of bioavailable

> magnesium and sodium ascorbate separately to obtain the optimal effects of

> both these supplements.

>

> Potassium, manganese, zinc, molybdenum, and chromium ascorbates are

> additional mineral ascorbates. All of the cations are desirable as

> supplements, but they can be easily be overdosed if they are used to

> deliver multi-gram doses of ascorbate.

>

> Ascorbyl Palmitate

>

> Ascorbyl palmitate is another form of vitamin C that is somewhat unique in

> that it has both water-soluble and fat-soluble qualities. It is touted by

> some as a superior delivery form of vitamin C as ascorbate into the body.

> This has not really been clearly proven, and even if it were, ascorbyl

> palmitate would be a very expensive way to provide daily multi-gram doses

> of ascorbate. The fat-soluble qualities of ascorbyl palmitate do make it a

> good form of vitamin C to include in various skin creams and other

> dermatological preparations.

>

> Liposome-encapsulated Ascorbate

>

> Liposomes were first proposed as a unique drug delivery system

> approximately 35 years ago (Bangham, 1995; Gregoriadis, 1995). One of the

> primary reasons for utilizing a liposome-encapsulation delivery system is

> to assure a near complete absorption of the encapsulated nutrient or drug

> into the bloodstream. The physical qualities of the liposome also

eliminate

> the need for digestive activity before absorption.

>

> Anecdotally speaking, I have taken a liposome-encapsulated form of

> ascorbate and found that it is virtually impossible to induce the

" C-flush "

> effect that can be seen with large enough doses of the mineral ascorbates,

> most commonly sodium ascorbate and calcium ascorbate. Furthermore, it

> appears that the enhanced absorption along with the phospholipid dose

> absorbed at the same time has uniquely positive clinical benefits.

>

> My Current Recommendations

>

> For the reasons mentioned above, I never recommend the regular ingestion

of

> vitamin C as calcium ascorbate. The remaining mineral ascorbates are

> acceptable forms of vitamin C supplementation, but one can risk overdosing

> the cations if multi-gram doses of these forms of vitamin C are taken,

with

> the exceptions of the sodium and magnesium ascorbates.

>

> For regular daily supplementation, sodium ascorbate is an economical,

> well-tolerated form of vitamin C. While many wish to avoid the " C-flush "

> effect, it appears to be a very good way to keep the gut relatively

> detoxified and clean. For those wishing to have a near-complete absorption

> of their vitamin C dose, the liposome-encapsulated form of vitamin C is

> optimal.

>

> For acute infectious and toxic states, I still recommend getting

> intravenous sodium ascorbate, usually at doses of 50 grams or more over

> several hours for most individuals. However, I would also recommend adding

> the liposome-encapsulated form of vitamin C orally at the same time. If

the

> intravenous sodium ascorbate is not available, I recommend taking sodium

> ascorbate to bowel tolerance, and then taking the liposome-encapsulated

> form of vitamin C, several grams hourly, guided by symptoms and clinical

> response to determine subsequent dosing.

>

>

>

> Resources for Liposomal Vitamin C

>

> More information about liposomal vitamin C can be found at

> http://www.LivOnLabs.com. If you are a health professional and express an

> interest in acquiring liposomal vitamin C for resale to your patients, you

> can get a free information packet, including free product samples by going

> to http://www.LivOnLabs.com/health_professional or calling LivOn Labs at

> (702) 897-1065 or sending an email to lnachman@....

>

>

> Bibliography

>

> Arad, Y., D. Newstein, F. Cadet, M. Roth, and A. Guerci (2001) Association

> of multiple risk factors and insulin resistance with increased prevalence

> of asymptomatic coronary artery disease by an electron-beam computed

> tomographic study. Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology

> 21(12):2051-2058.

> Bangham, A. (1995) Surrogate cells or Trojan horses. The discovery of

> liposomes. Bioessays 17(12):1081-1088.

> Christian, R., D. Dumesic, T. Behrenbeck, A. Oberg, P. Sheedy, and L.

> Fitzpatrick (2003) Prevalence and predictors of coronary artery

> calcification in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. The Journal of

> Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism 88(6):2562-2568.

> Gregoriadis, G. (1995) Engineering liposomes for drug delivery: progress

> and problems. Trends in Biotechnology 13(12):527-537.

> Kiryu, S., V. Raptopoulos, J. Baptista, and H. Hatabu (2003) Increased

> prevalence of coronary artery calcification in patients with suspected

> pulmonary embolism. Academic Radiology 10(8):840-845.

> Kruger, M. and D. Horrobin (1997) Calcium metabolism, osteoporosis and

> essential fatty acids: a review. Progress in Lipid Research

36(2-3):131-151.

> Kurtz, T. and R. , Jr. (1983) Dietary chloride as a determinant of

> " sodium-dependent " hypertension. Science 222(4628):1139-1141.

> Kurtz, T., H. Al-Bander, and R. , Jr. (1987) " Salt-sensitive "

> essential hypertension in men. Is the sodium ion alone important? The New

> England Journal of Medicine 317(17):1043-1048.

> Raggi, P., B. Cooil, L. Shaw, J. Aboulhson, J. Takasu, M. Budoff, and T.

> Callister (2003) Progression of coronary calcium on serial electron beam

> tomographic scanning is greater in patients with future myocardial

> infarction. The American Journal of Cardiology 92(7):827-829.

> Shaw, L., P. Raggi, E. Schisterman, D. Berman, and T. Callister (2003)

> Prognostic value of cardiac risk factors and coronary artery calcium

> screening for all-cause mortality. Radiology 228(3):826-833.

> Tsugawa, N., T. Yamabe, A. Takeuchi, M. Kamao, K. Nakagawa, K. Nishijima,

> and T. Okano (1999) Intestinal absorption of calcium from calcium

ascorbate

> in rats. Journal of Bone and Mineral Metabolism 17(1):30-36.

> Wong, N., M. Sciammarella, D. Polk, A. Gallagher, L. Miranda-Peats, B.

> Whitcomb, R. Hachamovitch, J. Friedman, S. , and D. Berman (2003) The

> metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and subclinical atherosclerosis assessed by

> coronary calcium. Journal of the American College of Cardiology

> 41(9):1547-1553.

>

>

> Copyright 2005 by E. Levy, MD, JD

> ; Reproduction Permitted only with Acknowledgement and

> of the Entire Document

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

It would mean that if it's corn based (and most likely it is, but I'm not sure

about it), that the could COULD be genetically modified or GM. That's what we

need to check out. I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

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At 05:11 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>Sheri,

> Kali and I take the NOW brand here in NY state. It is 100% pure buffered

>sodium ascorbate powder. It does not say GMO free though. What's this?

>Genetically modified organisms? Why would that be in there? You mean soy? I

>don't think our brand does have the GMO's in it. Jenn L

Most sodium ascorbate comes from corn, I think. And MUCH corn in US is

genetically engineered.

Here is what NOW says

Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically modified

So it is NOT GMO free

Bronson labs that I recommend is supposed to be, I have an question into

them and waiting for their answer for sure.

Sheri

This form is NOT sodium ascorbate, but preferable over GMO products

www.vitamincfoundation.org/powder.htm

but it is expensive at this site

" The Vitamin C Foundation’s Vitamin C Powder is pure ascorbic acid: Its

hypoallergenic and is certified 100% free of corn and free of Genetically

Modified Organisms (GMO-Free). There are no additives, fillers or binders.

The product is to be taken orally (rather than intravenously) and can be

mixed with water or juice. It can also be added to drink-mix formulas, such

as the Foundation’s new Cardio-C vitamin C/lysine drink mix, or the Tower

Laboratories HeartTechnology, a more complete ing Therapy drink mix. "

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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[Guest guest]

At 02:27 PM 1/13/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>It would mean that if it's corn based (and most likely it is, but I'm not

sure about it), that the could COULD be genetically modified or GM. That's

what we need to check out. I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

> Sheri B.

>

Which brand do you have?

Sheri

> >

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[Guest guest]

ok Please let me know. I am worried because I have been keeping K on her

diet and now I have given her 1/4 bottle of this vit. c. Man! Is everything

we eat poisonous to our bodies these days? Jenn L

Re: Vitamin C review today..............

> At 05:11 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

> >Sheri,

> > Kali and I take the NOW brand here in NY state. It is 100% pure

buffered

> >sodium ascorbate powder. It does not say GMO free though. What's this?

> >Genetically modified organisms? Why would that be in there? You mean soy?

I

> >don't think our brand does have the GMO's in it. Jenn L

>

> Most sodium ascorbate comes from corn, I think. And MUCH corn in US is

> genetically engineered.

>

>

> Here is what NOW says

> Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

> from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically

modified

>

> So it is NOT GMO free

>

> Bronson labs that I recommend is supposed to be, I have an question into

> them and waiting for their answer for sure.

>

>

> Sheri

>

>

> This form is NOT sodium ascorbate, but preferable over GMO products

> www.vitamincfoundation.org/powder.htm

> but it is expensive at this site

>

> " The Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C Powder is pure ascorbic acid: Its

> hypoallergenic and is certified 100% free of corn and free of Genetically

> Modified Organisms (GMO-Free). There are no additives, fillers or binders.

> The product is to be taken orally (rather than intravenously) and can be

> mixed with water or juice. It can also be added to drink-mix formulas,

such

> as the Foundation's new Cardio-C vitamin C/lysine drink mix, or the Tower

> Laboratories HeartTechnology, a more complete ing Therapy drink mix. "

>

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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> ******

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> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

information

> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

We get NOW brand SA and hylands children tablet SA.Bought through vitaglo.com or

vitacost.com

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NOW brand. Couldn't find anything on their web site and I've sent them an

e-mail asking.

Sheri B.

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

At 02:27 PM 1/13/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>It would mean that if it's corn based (and most likely it is, but I'm not

sure about it), that the could COULD be genetically modified or GM. That's

what we need to check out. I'll keep you posted on what I find out.

> Sheri B.

>

Which brand do you have?

Sheri

> >

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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[Guest guest]

At 03:17 PM 1/13/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>We get NOW brand SA and hylands children tablet SA.Bought through

vitaglo.com or vitacost.com

>

Here is what NOW BRAND says

Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically modified

So it is NOT GMO free

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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[Guest guest]

At 06:07 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>ok Please let me know. I am worried because I have been keeping K on her

>diet and now I have given her 1/4 bottle of this vit. c. Man! Is everything

>we eat poisonous to our bodies these days? Jenn L

I have let you know....it is NOT GMO free

Here is what NOW BRAND says

Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically

modified

So it is NOT GMO free

> Re: Vitamin C review today..............

>

>

>> At 05:11 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>> >Sheri,

>> > Kali and I take the NOW brand here in NY state. It is 100% pure

>buffered

>> >sodium ascorbate powder. It does not say GMO free though. What's this?

>> >Genetically modified organisms? Why would that be in there? You mean soy?

>I

>> >don't think our brand does have the GMO's in it. Jenn L

>>

>> Most sodium ascorbate comes from corn, I think. And MUCH corn in US is

>> genetically engineered.

>>

>>

>> Here is what NOW says

>> Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

>> from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically

>modified

>>

>> So it is NOT GMO free

>>

>> Bronson labs that I recommend is supposed to be, I have an question into

>> them and waiting for their answer for sure.

>>

>>

>> Sheri

>>

>>

>> This form is NOT sodium ascorbate, but preferable over GMO products

>> www.vitamincfoundation.org/powder.htm

>> but it is expensive at this site

>>

>> " The Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C Powder is pure ascorbic acid: Its

>> hypoallergenic and is certified 100% free of corn and free of Genetically

>> Modified Organisms (GMO-Free). There are no additives, fillers or binders.

>> The product is to be taken orally (rather than intravenously) and can be

>> mixed with water or juice. It can also be added to drink-mix formulas,

>such

>> as the Foundation's new Cardio-C vitamin C/lysine drink mix, or the Tower

>> Laboratories HeartTechnology, a more complete ing Therapy drink mix. "

>>

>> --------------------------------------------------------

>> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

>> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

>> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

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>> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

>> ******

>> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

>> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

>> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

>information

>> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Sorry. I sent that out before I saw this other one from you. Thanks Sheri.

Jenn L

Re: Vitamin C review today..............

> >

> >

> >> At 05:11 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

> >> >Sheri,

> >> > Kali and I take the NOW brand here in NY state. It is 100% pure

> >buffered

> >> >sodium ascorbate powder. It does not say GMO free though. What's this?

> >> >Genetically modified organisms? Why would that be in there? You mean

soy?

> >I

> >> >don't think our brand does have the GMO's in it. Jenn L

> >>

> >> Most sodium ascorbate comes from corn, I think. And MUCH corn in US is

> >> genetically engineered.

> >>

> >>

> >> Here is what NOW says

> >> Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

> >> from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically

> >modified

> >>

> >> So it is NOT GMO free

> >>

> >> Bronson labs that I recommend is supposed to be, I have an question

into

> >> them and waiting for their answer for sure.

> >>

> >>

> >> Sheri

> >>

> >>

> >> This form is NOT sodium ascorbate, but preferable over GMO products

> >> www.vitamincfoundation.org/powder.htm

> >> but it is expensive at this site

> >>

> >> " The Vitamin C Foundation's Vitamin C Powder is pure ascorbic acid: Its

> >> hypoallergenic and is certified 100% free of corn and free of

Genetically

> >> Modified Organisms (GMO-Free). There are no additives, fillers or

binders.

> >> The product is to be taken orally (rather than intravenously) and can

be

> >> mixed with water or juice. It can also be added to drink-mix formulas,

> >such

> >> as the Foundation's new Cardio-C vitamin C/lysine drink mix, or the

Tower

> >> Laboratories HeartTechnology, a more complete ing Therapy drink

mix. "

> >>

> >> --------------------------------------------------------

> >> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> >> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> >> vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

> >> (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

> >> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

> >> Vaccine Dangers On-Line course -

> >http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> >> Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

> >> ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

> >> OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

> >> ******

> >> " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

> >> Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

> >> knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy

> >information

> >> and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

At 06:07 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>ok Please let me know. I am worried because I have been keeping K on her

>diet and now I have given her 1/4 bottle of this vit. c. Man! Is everything

>we eat poisonous to our bodies these days? Jenn

PS - I would just say, pretty much out there is toxic to us anymore

I would say if you aren't eating organic, you already are ingesting GMO

corn and corn syrup and on and on - wheat, soy, etc.

So, this is not going to make that much difference.

I try to do as organic as possible, and really watch this, but it all has

to be weighed

If you can find non-GMO ascorbic acid, that might be a better choice at

this point. I'm getting divided opinions about ascorbic acid and sodium

ascorbate at this point

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

My bottle of NOW sodium ascorbate reads: " contains NO sugar, starch, yeast,

wheat, gluten, CORN, soy, milk, egg or preservatives "

It says it's " synthesized from a combination of Sodium Bicarbonate and Ascorbic

Acid to form Sodium Ascorbate " .

Kay

Re: Vitamin C review today..............

At 06:07 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>ok Please let me know. I am worried because I have been keeping K on her

>diet and now I have given her 1/4 bottle of this vit. c. Man! Is everything

>we eat poisonous to our bodies these days? Jenn L

I have let you know....it is NOT GMO free

Here is what NOW BRAND says

Approximately 99% of all vitamin C manufactured in the world is derived

from corn syrup. Much of todays corn grown in the USA is genetically

modified

So it is NOT GMO free

[Guest guest]

At 10:36 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>My bottle of NOW sodium ascorbate reads: " contains NO sugar, starch,

yeast, wheat, gluten, CORN, soy, milk, egg or preservatives "

>

>It says it's " synthesized from a combination of Sodium Bicarbonate and

Ascorbic Acid to form Sodium Ascorbate " .

>

>Kay

Interesting - you saw what I quoted right from the webpage

That is how they make sodium ascorbate - add bicarb to ascorbic acid.

All sodium ascorbate is supposed to come from corn

Alas, who knows

Sheri

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

I read on this website that it contains no corn RESIDUE, but does not

say no corn:

http://store.nutribiotic.com/pgi-productspec?0452

" Contains no fillers, excipients, lubricants, binders, starch, wheat,

soy, milk, egg, yeast, rose hips, animal products, colorings,

flavorings or preservatives.

We use only 100% pure pharmaceutical grade ascorbic acid (USP-FCC)

which contains no corn residue, plant antigens or protein impurities.

Persons allergic to corn or yeast can use this product with

confidence. "

------------

------------

> Interesting - you saw what I quoted right from the webpage

> That is how they make sodium ascorbate - add bicarb to ascorbic acid.

>

> All sodium ascorbate is supposed to come from corn

>

> Alas, who knows

> Sheri

[Guest guest]

Sheri - does the sodium bicarbonate in sodium ascorbate help balance ones ph

level?

Anita

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

At 10:36 PM 1/13/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>My bottle of NOW sodium ascorbate reads: " contains NO sugar, starch,

yeast, wheat, gluten, CORN, soy, milk, egg or preservatives "

>

>It says it's " synthesized from a combination of Sodium Bicarbonate and

Ascorbic Acid to form Sodium Ascorbate " .

>

>Kay

Interesting - you saw what I quoted right from the webpage

That is how they make sodium ascorbate - add bicarb to ascorbic acid.

All sodium ascorbate is supposed to come from corn

Alas, who knows

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

At 08:52 AM 1/14/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>

> Sheri - does the sodium bicarbonate in sodium ascorbate help balance

ones ph level?

> Anita

>

I don't know if it is enough to do that.

Will do some experimenting when Joe returns. He has some ways to test that

he is learning about with Ph and health. Not just with PH paper, but a

more complicated way to know what is going on in the body

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Sounds great! Looking forward to Joe's findings.

Anita

Sheri Nakken <snakken@...> wrote:

At 08:52 AM 1/14/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>

> Sheri - does the sodium bicarbonate in sodium ascorbate help balance

ones ph level?

> Anita

>

I don't know if it is enough to do that.

Will do some experimenting when Joe returns. He has some ways to test that

he is learning about with Ph and health. Not just with PH paper, but a

more complicated way to know what is going on in the body

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

At 02:01 PM 1/15/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>

>>However, the calcium-delivering properties of calcium ascorbate are

>precisely the best reasons for avoiding this product. Although it appears

>from the early work of Weston A. Price, D.D.S. that acutely raising the

>ionic calcium levels in the blood can greatly improve the acute phases of

>healing in damaged tissues, this does not address what the long-term

>consequences of calcium administration may entail.

>

>

> This is what I was trying to explain on the phone today Sheri. I don't

quite understand what type of tissue damage he speaks of. Does he mean

tissue damaged by an injury? I was just wondering if taking calcium

ascorbate as well as sodium ascorbate would be good for one with autism.

>

> Same with magnesium ascorbate. Since one cannot overdose on this form, I

wondered again would this form of vitamin C be useful to one with autism?

If nothing else, it appears it would chelate any excess calcium.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

>

>

The above paragraph does not say to do this.

Read it carefully.

" does not address what the long-term

>consequences of calcium administration may entail. "

Only safe one is sodium ascorbate or ascorbic acid

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Right. I don't know what magnesium could do, if anything, to help either....do

you? I'm curious because it appears to be safe and without side-effects from

accumulation.

Anita

> Same with magnesium ascorbate. Since one cannot overdose on this form, I

wondered again would this form of vitamin C be useful to one with autism?

If nothing else, it appears it would chelate any excess calcium.

>

> Thanks,

> Anita

>

>

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[Guest guest]

At 05:33 PM 1/15/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>Right. I don't know what magnesium could do, if anything, to help

either....do you? I'm curious because it appears to be safe and without

side-effects from accumulation.

> Anita

>

>

I think these minerals need to be on their own and not tied to Vitamin C if

you are going to treat with magnesium.

They just need to be separate and adjusted separately

Sheri

>

>> Same with magnesium ascorbate. Since one cannot overdose on this form, I

>wondered again would this form of vitamin C be useful to one with autism?

>If nothing else, it appears it would chelate any excess calcium.

>>

>> Thanks,

>> Anita

>>

>>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I bought some Nutribiotic while traveling because I left my Bronson Sod.

Asc. At home and it says that it is non-GMO. It also says that it is OK for

people with allergies to corn as they " use pure pharmaceutical grade sod.

Asc. Which contains no corn residue, plant antigens, or protein impurities.

persons allergic to corn or yeast can use this product with confidence. "

They also says that it contains no fillers, excipeints, lubricants, binders,

starch, wheat, soy, milk egg, yeast, rosehips, animal products, colorings,

flavorings or preservatives.

So all in all sounds like a good brand.

C

[Guest guest]

At 01:07 PM 1/16/2006 -0800, you wrote:

>

>I bought some Nutribiotic while traveling because I left my Bronson Sod.

>Asc. At home and it says that it is non-GMO. It also says that it is OK for

>people with allergies to corn as they " use pure pharmaceutical grade sod.

>Asc.

whatever that means ;-)

Which contains no corn residue, plant antigens, or protein impurities.

>persons allergic to corn or yeast can use this product with confidence. "

>They also says that it contains no fillers, excipeints, lubricants, binders,

>starch, wheat, soy, milk egg, yeast, rosehips, animal products, colorings,

>flavorings or preservatives.

>

>So all in all sounds like a good brand.

>C

Yes, sounds good

Sheri

It all is so complicated

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

>> Also, I tried to find Healthplus but only came up with a bunch of

managed

>care sites. What

>> is the URL?

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

I think it is healthplus.co.uk :-)

[Guest guest]

> They also says that it contains no fillers, excipeints, lubricants,

binders,

> starch, wheat, soy, milk egg, yeast, rosehips, animal products,

colorings,

> flavorings or preservatives.

>

> So all in all sounds like a good brand.

> C

>

Just wondered why they say it contains no rosehips? Are rosehips

bad? I thought they were an excellent natural source of vitamin C?

Can they be an allergen to some people?

Just curious Debbie