Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

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At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>Hi Roweena

>

>I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be interested

>to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can give

>charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb the nasties

>from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe the bacteria

>will pass through her system without causing any/too much harm. We

>went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2 and we

>gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no problem with

>stomach bugs for her at all. They are a bit gross to chew up but

>she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black though so

>don't be alarmed!

>

>HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

>responses, bon courage!! Debbie

Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic remedy

And there may be NO symptoms.

Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will cause illness

Depends on susceptibility

We worry way too much about these things..............

But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it but have heard

of some of you doing it.

But she will probably be totally fine without anything

Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

Sheri

>

>

>>

>> hi sheri,

>>

>> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years) some roast

>> chicken for lunch and dinner... two meals... my husband tells me

>it

>> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

>>

>> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave out

>cooked

>> poultry for more than an hour... it says it can cause kidney

>failure

>> in small children amongst many other terrible things! i cant

>breathe

>> im so worried!!!

>>

>> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to surface

>(runny

>> stools, vomitting, extreme temps). i just want to be prepared

>incase

>> because the chicken was out for 14 hours... i am really freaking

>out!

>>

>> do you know anything about this sort of thing? is there something

>i

>> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give? is there

>> something i can get so im feeling ready?

>>

>> roweena x

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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hi sheri, debbie and anita,

so far so good... shes happy as anything!

if i was to see symptoms it would be tonight... ive just given her

transfer factor and probiotic. i will get the charcoal this morning

and give her one of those right away. i will keep you all posted!

roweena x

On 20/01/2006, at 3:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> >Hi Roweena

> >

> >I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be interested

> >to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can give

> >charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb the nasties

> >from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe the bacteria

> >will pass through her system without causing any/too much harm.  We

> >went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2 and we

> >gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no problem with

> >stomach bugs for her at all.  They are a bit gross to chew up but

> >she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black though so

> >don't be alarmed!

> >

> >HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

> >responses, bon courage!!  Debbie

>

> Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic remedy

> And there may be NO symptoms.

> Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will cause illness

> Depends on susceptibility

> We worry way too much about these things..............

>

> But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it but have

> heard

> of some of you doing it.

>

> But she will probably be totally fine without anything

>

> Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

> Sheri

>

>

> >

> >

> >>

> >> hi sheri,

> >>

> >> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years) some roast

> >> chicken for lunch and dinner...  two meals...  my husband tells me

> >it

> >> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

> >>

> >> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave out

> >cooked

> >> poultry for more than an hour...  it says it can cause kidney

> >failure

> >> in small children amongst many other terrible things!  i cant

> >breathe

> >> im so worried!!!

> >>

> >> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to surface

> >(runny

> >> stools, vomitting, extreme temps).  i just want to be prepared

> >incase

> >> because the chicken was out for 14 hours...  i am really freaking

> >out!

> >>

> >> do you know anything about this sort of thing?  is there something

> >i

> >> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give?  is there

> >> something i can get so im feeling ready?

> >>

> >> roweena x

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Roweena

Did the Chicken smell funny or anything? I wouldn't worry too much...you'll

make yourself ill!

Chelly

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

hi sheri, debbie and anita,

so far so good... shes happy as anything!

if i was to see symptoms it would be tonight... ive just given her

transfer factor and probiotic. i will get the charcoal this morning

and give her one of those right away. i will keep you all posted!

roweena x

On 20/01/2006, at 3:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

> At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> >Hi Roweena

> >

> >I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be interested

> >to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can give

> >charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb the nasties

> >from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe the bacteria

> >will pass through her system without causing any/too much harm. We

> >went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2 and we

> >gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no problem with

> >stomach bugs for her at all. They are a bit gross to chew up but

> >she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black though so

> >don't be alarmed!

> >

> >HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

> >responses, bon courage!! Debbie

>

> Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic remedy

> And there may be NO symptoms.

> Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will cause illness

> Depends on susceptibility

> We worry way too much about these things..............

>

> But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it but have

> heard

> of some of you doing it.

>

> But she will probably be totally fine without anything

>

> Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

> Sheri

>

>

> >

> >

> >>

> >> hi sheri,

> >>

> >> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years) some roast

> >> chicken for lunch and dinner... two meals... my husband tells me

> >it

> >> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

> >>

> >> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave out

> >cooked

> >> poultry for more than an hour... it says it can cause kidney

> >failure

> >> in small children amongst many other terrible things! i cant

> >breathe

> >> im so worried!!!

> >>

> >> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to surface

> >(runny

> >> stools, vomitting, extreme temps). i just want to be prepared

> >incase

> >> because the chicken was out for 14 hours... i am really freaking

> >out!

> >>

> >> do you know anything about this sort of thing? is there something

> >i

> >> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give? is there

> >> something i can get so im feeling ready?

> >>

> >> roweena x

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it sitting

out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated you

shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour. they said it takes 24 -

72 hours to see symptoms - so 2 more days of worrying (i know i

shouldnt but cant help it a little). it was just so scary when they

said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent

kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!). so far so good so my

fingers are crossed. just about to give her another dose of transfer

factor and probiotic.

im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little bacteria

(or maybe alot of bacteria?)... i do everything else right so heres

praying!

roweena x

On 20/01/2006, at 2:16 PM, Chelly wrote:

> Roweena

> Did the Chicken smell funny or anything?  I wouldn't worry too

> much...you'll make yourself ill!

>

> Chelly

>

>   Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

>

>

>   hi sheri, debbie and anita,

>

>   so far so good...  shes happy as anything!

>

>   if i was to see symptoms it would be tonight...  ive just given her

>   transfer factor and probiotic.  i will get the charcoal this morning

>   and give her one of those right away.  i will keep you all posted!

>

>   roweena x

>

>   On 20/01/2006, at 3:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

>   > At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>   >  >Hi Roweena

>   >  >

>   >  >I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be

> interested

>   >  >to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can give

>   >  >charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb the

> nasties

>   >  >from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe the

> bacteria

>   >  >will pass through her system without causing any/too much

> harm.  We

>   >  >went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2 and

> we

>   >  >gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no problem with

>   >  >stomach bugs for her at all.  They are a bit gross to chew up

> but

>   >  >she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black

> though so

>   >  >don't be alarmed!

>   >  >

>   >  >HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

>   >  >responses, bon courage!!  Debbie

>   >

>   >  Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic remedy

>   >  And there may be NO symptoms.

>   >  Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will cause

> illness

>   >  Depends on susceptibility

>   >  We worry way too much about these things..............

>   >

>   >  But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it but

> have

>   > heard

>   >  of some of you doing it.

>   >

>   >  But she will probably be totally fine without anything

>   >

>   >  Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

>   >  Sheri

>   >

>   >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >>

>   >  >> hi sheri,

>   >  >>

>   >  >> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years) some

> roast

>   >  >> chicken for lunch and dinner...  two meals...  my husband

> tells me

>   >  >it

>   >  >> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

>   >  >>

>   >  >> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave out

>   >  >cooked

>   >  >> poultry for more than an hour...  it says it can cause kidney

>   >  >failure

>   >  >> in small children amongst many other terrible things!  i cant

>   >  >breathe

>   >  >> im so worried!!!

>   >  >>

>   >  >> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to

> surface

>   >  >(runny

>   >  >> stools, vomitting, extreme temps).  i just want to be prepared

>   >  >incase

>   >  >> because the chicken was out for 14 hours...  i am really

> freaking

>   >  >out!

>   >  >>

>   >  >> do you know anything about this sort of thing?  is there

> something

>   >  >i

>   >  >> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give?  is

> there

>   >  >> something i can get so im feeling ready?

>   >  >>

>   >  >> roweena x

>   >  >>

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

>   >  >

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Have to say I agree with Chelly, Roweena! You will make yourself sick worrying

about Audrey and then IF she does get sick you will be toooooo tired to look

after her. Try to let it go. You need to be strong for her. No one said

parenting was easy.

Put it down to a lesson learnt the 'not too hard way'.... ((hugs))

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Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

Roweena

Did the Chicken smell funny or anything? I wouldn't worry too much...you'll

make yourself ill!

Chelly

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You know, I've been thinking about this all day. My mom is from rural Louisiana

- she's close to 70 - and her grandmother's farm didn't have a refrigerator. So

she's relied all these years on " how long we left things out at mama's house " .

(And she was a biology major with an emphasis on bacteriology back in horse and

buggy days)

There have been times things were left out all night occasionally - and no one

ever got sick ( I have however, gotten food poisoning from Carl's Jr. Chicken -

so I do know that's not something you want to see your 2 year old have, and it's

not something to be taken lightly). I think with just basic chicken in winter

weather - normal room temperature, you'll be fine. The acidophilus and if it

were me, I'd add extra vitamin C to help boost the immune system, should make

everything fine. I'd worry much more about mayonnaise or something like that.

it's funny, almost anything I give my daughter I sniff first - Chicken and beef

both have a smell to them on their way to bad - it doesn't even have to get

there for you to notice it.

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it sitting

out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated you

shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour. they said it takes 24 -

72 hours to see symptoms - so 2 more days of worrying (i know i

shouldnt but cant help it a little). it was just so scary when they

said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent

kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!). so far so good so my

fingers are crossed. just about to give her another dose of transfer

factor and probiotic.

im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little bacteria

(or maybe alot of bacteria?)... i do everything else right so heres

praying!

roweena x

[Guest guest]

I'm pretty sure that Roweena is in Australia like me? Sydney?? If so, HOT as

hell here!! So yes, it is something to worry about........ or try not to.....

Sorry to set you off again Roweena!

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Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it sitting

out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated you

shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour. they said it takes 24 -

72 hours to see symptoms - so 2 more days of worrying (i know i

shouldnt but cant help it a little). it was just so scary when they

said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent

kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!). so far so good so my

fingers are crossed. just about to give her another dose of transfer

factor and probiotic.

im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little bacteria

(or maybe alot of bacteria?)... i do everything else right so heres

praying!

roweena x

[Guest guest]

i was thinking about that too... what people did before fridges!

i didnt think of vitamin c and i really should have since it has been

such a hot topic of late! i will do that tomorrow because she has just

gone to bed. any suggestions on the dose?

roweena x

On 20/01/2006, at 6:34 PM, Cheryl wrote:

> You know, I've been thinking about this all day.  My mom is from rural

> Louisiana - she's close to 70 - and her grandmother's farm didn't have

> a refrigerator.  So she's relied all these years on " how long we left

> things out at mama's house " . (And she was a biology major with an

> emphasis on bacteriology back in horse and buggy days)

> There have been times things were left out all night occasionally -

> and no one ever got sick ( I have however,  gotten food poisoning from

> Carl's Jr. Chicken - so I do know that's not something you want to see

> your 2 year old have, and it's not something to be taken lightly).  I

> think with just basic chicken in winter weather - normal room

> temperature, you'll be fine.  The acidophilus and if it were me, I'd

> add extra vitamin C to help boost the immune system, should make

> everything fine.  I'd worry much more about mayonnaise or something

> like that.

>

> it's funny, almost anything I give my daughter I sniff first -

> Chicken and beef both have a smell to them on their way to bad - it

> doesn't even have to get there for you to notice it.

>

> Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

>

>

>   it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it

> sitting 

>   out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated

> you 

>   shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour.  they said it takes

> 24 - 

>   72 hours to see symptoms - so  2 more days of worrying (i know i 

>   shouldnt but cant help it a little).  it was just so scary when

> they 

>   said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent 

>   kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!).  so far so good so my 

>   fingers are crossed.  just about to give her another dose of

> transfer 

>   factor and probiotic.

>

>   im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little

> bacteria 

>   (or maybe alot of bacteria?)...  i do everything else right so

> heres 

>   praying!

>

>   roweena x

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Roweena,

We spent our honeymoon in Colonial burg and learned from a tour guide

they used ice houses for food storage but typically saved leftovers from dinner

over night unrefridgerated and ate it for breakfast. Can't tell you how many got

sick though. Like anything else, it's a matter of suceptibility.

Anita

Roweena Timson <roweena@...> wrote:

i was thinking about that too... what people did before fridges!

i didnt think of vitamin c and i really should have since it has been

such a hot topic of late! i will do that tomorrow because she has just

gone to bed. any suggestions on the dose?

roweena x

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That was my main concern .

Anita

McGrath <simonecassie@...> wrote:

I'm pretty sure that Roweena is in Australia like me? Sydney?? If so, HOT as

hell here!! So yes, it is something to worry about........ or try not to.....

Sorry to set you off again Roweena!

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Cheryl,

I, too, am from the southern US (NC) and my grandparents left stuff out all

the time. We never got sick.

Of course, our bodies might not now be used to these same critters that we

once had in us all the time.

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Good point Sheri.

Anita

" Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

Cheryl,

I, too, am from the southern US (NC) and my grandparents left stuff out all

the time. We never got sick.

Of course, our bodies might not now be used to these same critters that we

once had in us all the time.

Sheri B.

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that's ludicrous.At 05:52 PM 1/20/2006 +1100, you wrote:

>it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it sitting

>out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated you

>shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour. they said it takes 24 -

>72 hours to see symptoms - so 2 more days of worrying (i know i

>shouldnt but cant help it a little). it was just so scary when they

>said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent

>kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!). so far so good so my

>fingers are crossed. just about to give her another dose of transfer

>factor and probiotic.

That's ludicrous

Your worry and fear may be transmitting itself to her and that may be

enough to harm her.

>

>im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little bacteria

>(or maybe alot of bacteria?)... i do everything else right so heres

>praying!

If she is a healthy baby, she should be jsut fine

We have acid in our stomach and bacteria throughout the GI system that work

on this stuff.

BACTERIA from outside killing us IS WAY over estimated.............it isn't

about outisde, it is about our inside terrain.

If you see any symptoms let us know as there are homeopathic remedies that

work very well for anything.

Arsenicum may be one you want to have on hand as it is most often used in

food poisoning symptoms (when the symptoms match)

But really try to not transmit your worry to your child

Sheri

>>

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I've posted the dose many times on the list!

I will post it again

EVERYONE please print these things out so you have them handy

Buy them ahead of time so you have to give

Have remedies.

How many times are there people panicking here and no way to get Vitamin C

fast.

Use any kind of vitamin C at this point.

Sorry, to sound like I'm coming down hard, but it is very frustrating to

me. You have to make these things priorities so when the time comes you

are prepared.

Sheri

At 08:12 PM 1/20/2006 +1100, you wrote:

>i was thinking about that too... what people did before fridges!

>

>i didnt think of vitamin c and i really should have since it has been

>such a hot topic of late! i will do that tomorrow because she has just

>gone to bed. any suggestions on the dose?>

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I would recommend following the safety guidelines on cooking/storage

temperatures/storage time of meat / poultry/ eggs exactly. The bacteria

(salmonella, e.coli, etc.) that can multiply exponentially in these products

is not something to experiment with. I have read that Children and the

elderly are more at risk for getting food poisoning. I had food poisoning

once (probably staph. aureus which can be milder, I was not hospitalized)

but it was still a very bad experience that I do not want to repeat!!

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

>

>

> it didnt smell at all - but 14 hours is a long time to have it sitting

> out on the bench... all the health related sites i visited stated you

> shouldnt leave it out for longer than an hour. they said it takes 24 -

> 72 hours to see symptoms - so 2 more days of worrying (i know i

> shouldnt but cant help it a little). it was just so scary when they

> said 35% of people infected die and many survivors have permanent

> kidney damage (intensive care and dialysis!). so far so good so my

> fingers are crossed. just about to give her another dose of transfer

> factor and probiotic.

>

> im just hoping that she is strong enough to cope with a little bacteria

> (or maybe alot of bacteria?)... i do everything else right so heres

> praying!

>

> roweena x

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm curious Roweena, was the chicken certified organic, or just one from the

local supermarket/poultry farm??

If it's cert/organic, it may not pose as great a risk/threat.....?

I hope Audrey is ok? Mum's ok too?! Not too disstressed?

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Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

>

>

> hi sheri, debbie and anita,

>

> so far so good... shes happy as anything!

>

> if i was to see symptoms it would be tonight... ive just given her

> transfer factor and probiotic. i will get the charcoal this morning

> and give her one of those right away. i will keep you all posted!

>

> roweena x

>

> On 20/01/2006, at 3:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> > At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

> > >Hi Roweena

> > >

> > >I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be

> interested

> > >to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can give

> > >charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb the

> nasties

> > >from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe the

> bacteria

> > >will pass through her system without causing any/too much

> harm. We

> > >went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2 and

> we

> > >gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no problem with

> > >stomach bugs for her at all. They are a bit gross to chew up

> but

> > >she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black

> though so

> > >don't be alarmed!

> > >

> > >HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

> > >responses, bon courage!! Debbie

> >

> > Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic remedy

> > And there may be NO symptoms.

> > Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will cause

> illness

> > Depends on susceptibility

> > We worry way too much about these things..............

> >

> > But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it but

> have

> > heard

> > of some of you doing it.

> >

> > But she will probably be totally fine without anything

> >

> > Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

> > Sheri

> >

> >

> > >

> > >

> > >>

> > >> hi sheri,

> > >>

> > >> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years) some

> roast

> > >> chicken for lunch and dinner... two meals... my husband

> tells me

> > >it

> > >> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

> > >>

> > >> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave out

> > >cooked

> > >> poultry for more than an hour... it says it can cause kidney

> > >failure

> > >> in small children amongst many other terrible things! i cant

> > >breathe

> > >> im so worried!!!

> > >>

> > >> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to

> surface

> > >(runny

> > >> stools, vomitting, extreme temps). i just want to be prepared

> > >incase

> > >> because the chicken was out for 14 hours... i am really

> freaking

> > >out!

> > >>

> > >> do you know anything about this sort of thing? is there

> something

> > >i

> > >> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give? is

> there

> > >> something i can get so im feeling ready?

> > >>

> > >> roweena x

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Back in the old days, the chemicals used nowadays wasn't even heard of, so I'd

say that it's the chemicals (obviously) which cause the problems. Chemicals

reacting with meat going off.

Bleh!

This topic is really startig to put me off eating meat/poultry. Except for a

little cert/organic once in a while...

Mind you, we have a poultry farm up here near the highway who call themselves

organic and they use canola & corn for their chickens! Canola- brake fluid.

Corn - how do I explain this one..... seeds combined with pest control so that

the farmers don't have to spray the corn anymore. you just EAT the pest control

as well as the corn........ Yum. Not.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW/WHY THESE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THESE THINGS??

VACCINATION, POISONOUS TOX CHEMICALS IN OUR FOOD, WATER, COSMETICS, 'HEALTH

FOODS'???????

Cheryl's comment about sniffing food reminded me - I am hearing impaired, and so

have a fairly sensitive sense of smell and have on " several " occasions stated

that some meat/chicken is going off..... dh doesn't listen, 'cos he's hungry.

Guess who then gets sick! Me thinks he just likes to have a whinge and expects

sympathy, which he doesn't get from me for his stupidity. Male stupidity it's

called! Do we want to start a topic on this one, or shall we let it go?! LOL!

I gotta learn to stop ranting n raving!

http://www.onegrp.com/?McGrath

One Group (Organic & Natural Enterprise) The world's FIRST extensive range of

certified organic skin, body, hair, oral & health care products - certified by

Australian Certified Organic (ACO) and the United States Department of

Agriculture (USDA) to the highest international food standards ...

We offer an innovative product range of unrivalled purity and effectiveness.

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

> it's funny, almost anything I give my daughter I sniff first - Chicken and

beef both have a smell to them on their way to bad - it doesn't even have to

get there for you to notice it.

[Guest guest]

Aww..........the poor bastard. Are you always so hard on him? ;-)

Anita

McGrath <simonecassie@...> wrote:

Back in the old days, the chemicals used nowadays wasn't even heard of, so I'd

say that it's the chemicals (obviously) which cause the problems. Chemicals

reacting with meat going off.

Bleh!

This topic is really startig to put me off eating meat/poultry. Except for a

little cert/organic once in a while...

Mind you, we have a poultry farm up here near the highway who call themselves

organic and they use canola & corn for their chickens! Canola- brake fluid.

Corn - how do I explain this one..... seeds combined with pest control so that

the farmers don't have to spray the corn anymore. you just EAT the pest control

as well as the corn........ Yum. Not.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW/WHY THESE PEOPLE GET AWAY WITH THESE THINGS??

VACCINATION, POISONOUS TOX CHEMICALS IN OUR FOOD, WATER, COSMETICS, 'HEALTH

FOODS'???????

Cheryl's comment about sniffing food reminded me - I am hearing impaired, and so

have a fairly sensitive sense of smell and have on " several " occasions stated

that some meat/chicken is going off..... dh doesn't listen, 'cos he's hungry.

Guess who then gets sick! Me thinks he just likes to have a whinge and expects

sympathy, which he doesn't get from me for his stupidity. Male stupidity it's

called! Do we want to start a topic on this one, or shall we let it go?! LOL!

I gotta learn to stop ranting n raving!

http://www.onegrp.com/?McGrath

One Group (Organic & Natural Enterprise) The world's FIRST extensive range of

certified organic skin, body, hair, oral & health care products - certified by

Australian Certified Organic (ACO) and the United States Department of

Agriculture (USDA) to the highest international food standards ...

We offer an innovative product range of unrivalled purity and effectiveness.

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

> it's funny, almost anything I give my daughter I sniff first - Chicken and

beef both have a smell to them on their way to bad - it doesn't even have to

get there for you to notice it.

[Guest guest]

Ah. Bastard. you got that right!! Yep, I am. If he won't listen to me and

admit that I am right, why would I waste my time and energy feeling sorry for

him when it doesn't have to happen in the first place???! I have to look after

myself and our child they are my first priority. Not gonna sit around

worryingabout something that I can't do anything about if he won't wake up to

himself.

(that mean, hard bitch!! Not.)

http://www.onegrp.com/?McGrath

One Group (Organic & Natural Enterprise) The world's FIRST extensive range of

certified organic skin, body, hair, oral & health care products - certified by

Australian Certified Organic (ACO) and the United States Department of

Agriculture (USDA) to the highest international food standards ...

We offer an innovative product range of unrivalled purity and effectiveness.

Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning??? HELP!!!!!

> it's funny, almost anything I give my daughter I sniff first - Chicken and

beef both have a smell to them on their way to bad - it doesn't even have to

get there for you to notice it.

[Guest guest]

audrey woke at just after 6am complaining of a sore tummy - she

normally sleeps till somewhere between 7.30 and 9am... she is having

tissue salts every half an hour and so far so good - outside of sore

tummy - no runny stools or temp or vomitting! im sure she will be fine

and i will give a remedy if its needed... keeping a close eye but not

too worried (certainly not passing on my fear as sheri suggested - was

just trying to be prepared!).

it was from our roast chicken shop up the road and it is certified

organic... just a very long time to sit at room temp! thanks for all

the positive thoughts everybody!

rowe x

On 21/01/2006, at 10:28 AM, McGrath wrote:

> I'm curious Roweena, was the chicken certified organic, or just one

> from the local supermarket/poultry farm??

>

> If it's cert/organic, it may not pose as great a risk/threat.....?

>

> I hope Audrey is ok?  Mum's ok too?!  Not too disstressed?

>

>

>

> http://www.onegrp.com/?McGrath

>

> One Group (Organic & Natural Enterprise) The world's FIRST extensive

> range of certified organic skin, body, hair, oral & health care

> products - certified by Australian Certified Organic (ACO) and the

> United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) to the highest

> international food standards ... 

> We offer an innovative product range of unrivalled purity and

> effectiveness.

>   Re: Re: E coli - Food Poisoning???

> HELP!!!!!

>   >

>   >

>   >    hi sheri, debbie and anita,

>   >

>   >    so far so good...  shes happy as anything!

>   >

>   >    if i was to see symptoms it would be tonight...  ive just

> given her

>   >    transfer factor and probiotic.  i will get the charcoal this

> morning

>   >    and give her one of those right away.  i will keep you all

> posted!

>   >

>   >    roweena x

>   >

>   >    On 20/01/2006, at 3:15 AM, Sheri Nakken wrote:

>   >

>   >    > At 12:09 PM 1/19/2006 -0000, you wrote:

>   >    >  >Hi Roweena

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >I'm not really sure what the best thing to do is, I'll be 

>   > interested

>   >    >  >to hear Sheri's response too, however I believe you can

> give

>   >    >  >charcoal (available in tablet form) and this will absorb

> the 

>   > nasties

>   >    >  >from her gut, if you give it to her straight away maybe

> the 

>   > bacteria

>   >    >  >will pass through her system without causing any/too much 

>   > harm.  We

>   >    >  >went to Bali for a 10 day holiday when DD1 was not quite 2

> and 

>   > we

>   >    >  >gave her one of these tablets to chew each day - no

> problem with

>   >    >  >stomach bugs for her at all.  They are a bit gross to chew

> up 

>   > but

>   >    >  >she was happy enough to do it, they make your stools black 

>   > though so

>   >    >  >don't be alarmed!

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >HTH helps for the time being and I hope you get some other

>   >    >  >responses, bon courage!!  Debbie

>   >    >

>   >    >  Until there are symptoms, can't really use a homeopathic

> remedy

>   >    >  And there may be NO symptoms.

>   >    >  Just because something is out doesn't mean that it will

> cause 

>   > illness

>   >    >  Depends on susceptibility

>   >    >  We worry way too much about these things..............

>   >    >

>   >    >  But what Debbie suggests might be good - I haven't used it

> but 

>   > have

>   >    > heard

>   >    >  of some of you doing it.

>   >    >

>   >    >  But she will probably be totally fine without anything

>   >    >

>   >    >  Let me know if anything comes up as far as symptoms go.

>   >    >  Sheri

>   >    >

>   >    >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> hi sheri,

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> just freaking out because i fed audrey (whos 2.5 years)

> some 

>   > roast

>   >    >  >> chicken for lunch and dinner...  two meals...  my

> husband 

>   > tells me

>   >    >  >it

>   >    >  >> was out on the kitchen bench overnight!!!!!!

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> i just googled food storage etc and it says not to leave

> out

>   >    >  >cooked

>   >    >  >> poultry for more than an hour...  it says it can cause

> kidney

>   >    >  >failure

>   >    >  >> in small children amongst many other terrible things!  i

> cant

>   >    >  >breathe

>   >    >  >> im so worried!!!

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> she has no symptoms - apparently symptoms take 2 days to 

>   > surface

>   >    >  >(runny

>   >    >  >> stools, vomitting, extreme temps).  i just want to be

> prepared

>   >    >  >incase

>   >    >  >> because the chicken was out for 14 hours...  i am really 

>   > freaking

>   >    >  >out!

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> do you know anything about this sort of thing?  is there 

>   > something

>   >    >  >i

>   >    >  >> can do to strengthen her tummy - a remedy i can give? 

> is 

>   > there

>   >    >  >> something i can get so im feeling ready?

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >> roweena x

>   >    >  >>

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >

>   >    >  >