Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

[Guest guest]

>I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many of you in this

vaccines group have been shunned and ridiculed. I just need to know you

guys are out there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are the ONLY

ones out there for me! LOL

>

> Just had a phone conversation with my best friend. It didn't go too

well. It didn't get heated, but I could tell that she was uncomfortable.

>

> Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We were pregnant together.

>

> He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always had eczema, asthma

and now he's got a whopping case of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any work

without his meds.

>

> My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like everyone, she had

instant results and all of a sudden he was living up to his potential and

liking himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's hard to refuse.

>

> But they're seeing that they have to keep upping his meds. She's

uncomfortable as she knows somewhere deep down that these meds aren't good.

>

> So the school counselor referred her to an outside counselor. Get this:

She advises her to read Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO

READ!!!) and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one of the bigger

cities.

>

> So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I thought - hallelujah -

she's getting it!

>

> I said that hopefully this person can start treating what is really

wrong with him instead of just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you

think that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To which I replied,

" Yeah, I think they do know what causes it but nobody likes the answers. "

So she retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations? It's not like they

can undo them at this point. " So I said that maybe it's food intolerances

or environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but nobody really wants

to know what - just how to make it go away enough to get through a school day.

>

And homeopath can clear it out, like undoing it.

> But then she complained that the intitial fee wasn't covered by

insurance, yada yada yada. OK, this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home

that is decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice cars, dresses to

the nines and she isn't willing to pay $150 for her kid's health? So I

tried to nicely say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's my true

weakness, but that we've determined that our family's health is so much

more precious.... The line almost went dead.

EXACTLY............especially when you can afford. So many can't.

>

> She went on to say that she just can't see spending money that she could

be saving for his college when there is no proof that any of it works. She

can understand how my sister can do it with an autistic child because it's

not like he's ever going to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

>

Oh man...................

> I think part of the problem is that she is remarried and this child is

not the biological child of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I

know that he wants a nestegg and financial security is VERY important to

him. The real dad has just been diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload

of drugs.

>

Oh dear

> We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk about other stuff but it

just wasn't the same. I know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I

think she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want to be friends.

But it hurts so bad when a truly good friend of over 10 years thinks you're

crazy. And when you know you're right and that they're hurting their child.

I hate to say it but we all have lost a lot of friends over this and other

issues that people won't see.

You have FRIENDS here, but I know its not the same.

It is really sad........for friendship and for her child.

Love you!

Sheri

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Sheri B.,

My mother-law always is putting in her 2 cents about what really may

have happened to Kali. I have already introduced the fact that she was

poisoned by Mercury and set her up to have poor gut health and now we are

battling worms because of it. I'm sure we will know more about how to help

her soon with test results but, the point is we do not see eye-to eye on

nothing. It is very difficult but, I try to focus on her improvement and

talk about what may help her. I do not share testing or results with her

anymore because she blames us for her condition saying we used antibacterial

soap when she was an infant and that's why she has the autism. I told her

that I believe we did deprive her in a way of trying to build up an immunity

to illnesses because of the use of these antibacterial soaps. By the way, we

did use antibacterial soap for the first 2 months only and then occasioally

after that but, not as much as she thinks.

I want you to know that I feel for you.This happens to almost every one of

us. I always try to stay on the positive side and focus on Kali's recovery

and how well she's doing everytime grandma comes to visit. It's hard because

we all have been through a lot in dealing with these issues with our family

and friends and we deserve a lot of understanding and support. You are not

alone. Please know that. I believe in a more natural living style now but,

it took my child first to learn and realize the truth. Sometimes it takes

more than someone is willing to give to learn. You can only help who will

listen if not, it is not healthy to dwell on those who will not accept the

truth. I was depressed and felt guilty everytime K's gram would come to

visit but, it was her that tried to control my feelings about this issue. I

took a stand when I took responsibility for my child's health instead of

leaving it up to the doc's and big pharma. In Kali's recovery, we will be

that example of what I have been trying to tell others about all these

months. So I guess just try to stay positive and be an example and others

will follow but, it may take some time. Most other people are still " plugged

in " and programmed to think a certain way! I hope this is some

encouragement. Jenn Lessard

Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

> I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many of you in this

vaccines group have been shunned and ridiculed. I just need to know you

guys are out there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are the ONLY

ones out there for me! LOL

>

> Just had a phone conversation with my best friend. It didn't go too

well. It didn't get heated, but I could tell that she was uncomfortable.

>

> Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We were pregnant together.

>

> He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always had eczema, asthma

and now he's got a whopping case of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any work

without his meds.

>

> My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like everyone, she had

instant results and all of a sudden he was living up to his potential and

liking himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's hard to refuse.

>

> But they're seeing that they have to keep upping his meds. She's

uncomfortable as she knows somewhere deep down that these meds aren't good.

>

> So the school counselor referred her to an outside counselor. Get this:

She advises her to read Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO READ!!!)

and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one of the bigger cities.

>

> So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I thought - hallelujah -

she's getting it!

>

> I said that hopefully this person can start treating what is really

wrong with him instead of just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you

think that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To which I replied,

" Yeah, I think they do know what causes it but nobody likes the answers. "

So she retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations? It's not like they

can undo them at this point. " So I said that maybe it's food intolerances

or environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but nobody really wants

to know what - just how to make it go away enough to get through a school

day.

>

> But then she complained that the intitial fee wasn't covered by

insurance, yada yada yada. OK, this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home that

is decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice cars, dresses to the

nines and she isn't willing to pay $150 for her kid's health? So I tried to

nicely say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's my true weakness,

but that we've determined that our family's health is so much more

precious.... The line almost went dead.

>

> She went on to say that she just can't see spending money that she could

be saving for his college when there is no proof that any of it works. She

can understand how my sister can do it with an autistic child because it's

not like he's ever going to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

>

> I think part of the problem is that she is remarried and this child is

not the biological child of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I know

that he wants a nestegg and financial security is VERY important to him.

The real dad has just been diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload of

drugs.

>

> We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk about other stuff but it

just wasn't the same. I know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I

think she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want to be friends. But

it hurts so bad when a truly good friend of over 10 years thinks you're

crazy. And when you know you're right and that they're hurting their child.

>

> Sigh.

>

> Just needed to write it down.

>

> Thanks guys!

> Sheri B.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jenn,

This helps.

I guess I'm mourning the loss of a long-standing friendship. My other really

good friend, who I have known since I was 12, has become quite a bit more

distant as well. It's like we don't have anything in common any more. She

isn't angry about it, she just isn't on the same page. So I'm thinking - great

- I'm flushing lifelong friendships down the toilet. But I am not the kind of

person who can just smile and fake it.

And you make a good point that my sister made to me this afternoon on the

phone. She said, " Do you realize that if Garrett had not become autistic then

we wouldn't know any of this? " That's a strong statement. My daughter would be

fully immunized and I'd be slathering steroid cream on my son's eczema and I'd

probably be back on Prozac for depression.... So I guess some good can come out

of tragedy.

Now to get these kids recovered!!

Let's all stand together.

You guys are such a blessing.

Sheri B.

Jim and Jen <jlessard@...> wrote:

Sheri B.,

My mother-law always is putting in her 2 cents about what really may

have happened to Kali. I have already introduced the fact that she was

poisoned by Mercury and set her up to have poor gut health and now we are

battling worms because of it. I'm sure we will know more about how to help

her soon with test results but, the point is we do not see eye-to eye on

nothing. It is very difficult but, I try to focus on her improvement and

talk about what may help her. I do not share testing or results with her

anymore because she blames us for her condition saying we used antibacterial

soap when she was an infant and that's why she has the autism. I told her

that I believe we did deprive her in a way of trying to build up an immunity

to illnesses because of the use of these antibacterial soaps. By the way, we

did use antibacterial soap for the first 2 months only and then occasioally

after that but, not as much as she thinks.

I want you to know that I feel for you.This happens to almost every one of

us. I always try to stay on the positive side and focus on Kali's recovery

and how well she's doing everytime grandma comes to visit. It's hard because

we all have been through a lot in dealing with these issues with our family

and friends and we deserve a lot of understanding and support. You are not

alone. Please know that. I believe in a more natural living style now but,

it took my child first to learn and realize the truth. Sometimes it takes

more than someone is willing to give to learn. You can only help who will

listen if not, it is not healthy to dwell on those who will not accept the

truth. I was depressed and felt guilty everytime K's gram would come to

visit but, it was her that tried to control my feelings about this issue. I

took a stand when I took responsibility for my child's health instead of

leaving it up to the doc's and big pharma. In Kali's recovery, we will be

that example of what I have been trying to tell others about all these

months. So I guess just try to stay positive and be an example and others

will follow but, it may take some time. Most other people are still " plugged

in " and programmed to think a certain way! I hope this is some

encouragement. Jenn Lessard

Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

> I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many of you in this

vaccines group have been shunned and ridiculed. I just need to know you

guys are out there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are the ONLY

ones out there for me! LOL

>

> Just had a phone conversation with my best friend. It didn't go too

well. It didn't get heated, but I could tell that she was uncomfortable.

>

> Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We were pregnant together.

>

> He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always had eczema, asthma

and now he's got a whopping case of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any work

without his meds.

>

> My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like everyone, she had

instant results and all of a sudden he was living up to his potential and

liking himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's hard to refuse.

>

> But they're seeing that they have to keep upping his meds. She's

uncomfortable as she knows somewhere deep down that these meds aren't good.

>

> So the school counselor referred her to an outside counselor. Get this:

She advises her to read Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO READ!!!)

and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one of the bigger cities.

>

> So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I thought - hallelujah -

she's getting it!

>

> I said that hopefully this person can start treating what is really

wrong with him instead of just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you

think that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To which I replied,

" Yeah, I think they do know what causes it but nobody likes the answers. "

So she retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations? It's not like they

can undo them at this point. " So I said that maybe it's food intolerances

or environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but nobody really wants

to know what - just how to make it go away enough to get through a school

day.

>

> But then she complained that the intitial fee wasn't covered by

insurance, yada yada yada. OK, this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home that

is decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice cars, dresses to the

nines and she isn't willing to pay $150 for her kid's health? So I tried to

nicely say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's my true weakness,

but that we've determined that our family's health is so much more

precious.... The line almost went dead.

>

> She went on to say that she just can't see spending money that she could

be saving for his college when there is no proof that any of it works. She

can understand how my sister can do it with an autistic child because it's

not like he's ever going to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

>

> I think part of the problem is that she is remarried and this child is

not the biological child of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I know

that he wants a nestegg and financial security is VERY important to him.

The real dad has just been diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload of

drugs.

>

> We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk about other stuff but it

just wasn't the same. I know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I

think she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want to be friends. But

it hurts so bad when a truly good friend of over 10 years thinks you're

crazy. And when you know you're right and that they're hurting their child.

>

> Sigh.

>

> Just needed to write it down.

>

> Thanks guys!

> Sheri B.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sheri B.,

You know in the end I think it really depends on how strong the friendship

is. I have really close friends who are not into the same things I'm in but

even if we differ they still listen. They don't have children yet though

and I don't know if it will change but I still believe that true friends try

to understand you.

I had this one friend, like you that I got pregnant the same time with, she

went the other route, allopathy, circumcision, vaccinations, and now had her

son undergo surgery for a supposed membrane that didn't close in the baby's

groin area. I'm like what you had him go through x-rays and surgery, he's

one year and 5 months old. I even suggested homeopathy, but nothing works.

So I distance myself from her because you know investing in friendships is a

big deal, it takes effort and time and if it seems it won't work out then

let go. You can always find new friends.

For example, I have a really, really close friend, who works for a VACCINE

COMPANY, Sanofi Pasteur, but I haven't given up on her because she's a great

mom. She believe in attachment parenting, breastfeeding, co-sleeping,

babywearing, she's very honest, rich but not spoiled, and when we talk about

vaccines she listens and says oh really I didn't know that and does her

research, she's delayed her child's vaccine, and would like to try

homeopathy, I'm praying she'll leave her job soon that's why we're really

working hard at making our cloth diaper and maternity wear business going.

So in short, spend time with people worth spending time with otherwise

what's the point:-)

Ella

On 1/5/06, Sheri B. <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

>

> I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many of you in this

> vaccines group have been shunned and ridiculed. I just need to know you

> guys are out there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are the ONLY

> ones out there for me! LOL

>

> Just had a phone conversation with my best friend. It didn't go too

> well. It didn't get heated, but I could tell that she was uncomfortable.

>

> Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We were pregnant together.

>

> He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always had eczema, asthma

> and now he's got a whopping case of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any work

> without his meds.

>

> My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like everyone, she had

> instant results and all of a sudden he was living up to his potential and

> liking himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's hard to refuse.

>

> But they're seeing that they have to keep upping his meds. She's

> uncomfortable as she knows somewhere deep down that these meds aren't good.

>

>

> So the school counselor referred her to an outside counselor. Get

> this: She advises her to read Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO

> READ!!!) and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one of the bigger

> cities.

>

> So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I thought - hallelujah -

> she's getting it!

>

> I said that hopefully this person can start treating what is really

> wrong with him instead of just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you

> think that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To which I replied,

> " Yeah, I think they do know what causes it but nobody likes the answers. "

> So she retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations? It's not like they

> can undo them at this point. " So I said that maybe it's food intolerances

> or environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but nobody really wants

> to know what - just how to make it go away enough to get through a school

> day.

>

> But then she complained that the intitial fee wasn't covered by

> insurance, yada yada yada. OK, this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home that

> is decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice cars, dresses to the

> nines and she isn't willing to pay $150 for her kid's health? So I tried to

> nicely say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's my true weakness,

> but that we've determined that our family's health is so much more

> precious.... The line almost went dead.

>

> She went on to say that she just can't see spending money that she could

> be saving for his college when there is no proof that any of it works. She

> can understand how my sister can do it with an autistic child because it's

> not like he's ever going to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

>

> I think part of the problem is that she is remarried and this child is

> not the biological child of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I know

> that he wants a nestegg and financial security is VERY important to him.

> The real dad has just been diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload of

> drugs.

>

> We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk about other stuff but it

> just wasn't the same. I know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I

> think she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want to be friends.

> But it hurts so bad when a truly good friend of over 10 years thinks you're

> crazy. And when you know you're right and that they're hurting their child.

>

> Sigh.

>

> Just needed to write it down.

>

> Thanks guys!

> Sheri B.

>

>

> ---------------------------------

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> whatever.

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

I am sorry that you are feeling like this. Try to take one day at a time

and don't let this discourage you from teaching others along the way about

HP and all the other more natural ways of finding better health. I will pray

for your situation. Jenn L Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

>

> > I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many of you in this

> vaccines group have been shunned and ridiculed. I just need to know you

> guys are out there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are the ONLY

> ones out there for me! LOL

> >

> > Just had a phone conversation with my best friend. It didn't go too

> well. It didn't get heated, but I could tell that she was uncomfortable.

> >

> > Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We were pregnant

together.

> >

> > He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always had eczema, asthma

> and now he's got a whopping case of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any

work

> without his meds.

> >

> > My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like everyone, she had

> instant results and all of a sudden he was living up to his potential and

> liking himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's hard to refuse.

> >

> > But they're seeing that they have to keep upping his meds. She's

> uncomfortable as she knows somewhere deep down that these meds aren't

good.

> >

> > So the school counselor referred her to an outside counselor. Get

this:

> She advises her to read Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO

READ!!!)

> and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one of the bigger cities.

> >

> > So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I thought - hallelujah -

> she's getting it!

> >

> > I said that hopefully this person can start treating what is really

> wrong with him instead of just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you

> think that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To which I replied,

> " Yeah, I think they do know what causes it but nobody likes the answers. "

> So she retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations? It's not like they

> can undo them at this point. " So I said that maybe it's food intolerances

> or environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but nobody really

wants

> to know what - just how to make it go away enough to get through a school

> day.

> >

> > But then she complained that the intitial fee wasn't covered by

> insurance, yada yada yada. OK, this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home

that

> is decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice cars, dresses to the

> nines and she isn't willing to pay $150 for her kid's health? So I tried

to

> nicely say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's my true

weakness,

> but that we've determined that our family's health is so much more

> precious.... The line almost went dead.

> >

> > She went on to say that she just can't see spending money that she

could

> be saving for his college when there is no proof that any of it works. She

> can understand how my sister can do it with an autistic child because it's

> not like he's ever going to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

> >

> > I think part of the problem is that she is remarried and this child is

> not the biological child of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I

know

> that he wants a nestegg and financial security is VERY important to him.

> The real dad has just been diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload of

> drugs.

> >

> > We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk about other stuff but

it

> just wasn't the same. I know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I

> think she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want to be friends.

But

> it hurts so bad when a truly good friend of over 10 years thinks you're

> crazy. And when you know you're right and that they're hurting their

child.

> >

> > Sigh.

> >

> > Just needed to write it down.

> >

> > Thanks guys!

> > Sheri B.

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

>

> I guess I'm mourning the loss of a long-standing friendship.

> My other really good friend, who I have known since I was 12, has

> become quite a bit more distant as well. It's like we don't have

> anything in common any more. She isn't angry about it, she just

> isn't on the same page. So I'm thinking - great - I'm flushing

> lifelong friendships down the toilet. But I am not the kind of

> person who can just smile and fake it.

I know it's hard when your outlook on life appears to be so different to

that of *friends* and it's easy to blame your parenting/lifestyle choices

for the cooling of such friendships. But in all honesty, you would probably

have moved on from these people in due course whatever your lifestyle

choices were simply because we do grow away from folk as we get older and

our values change. ly this lady you posted about with the son with

ADHD sounds like she couldn't be more different from you and I can

understand why you have little left in common with her. You are ready to

*wake up* - she plainly is not, and because of your own enlightenment, you

are viewing her now in a different light and find her wanting. I think most

of us following this path experience the same things as we explore life with

our newly illuminated light-bulb guiding us on our way.

Don't feel bad about it - while it's hard to lose friends, it's part of

Life. You have a huge and loving heart - now move on and leave your

footprints in someone else's life. Change someone else's future for the

better. It's your path, my friend.

> And you make a good point that my sister made to me this

> afternoon on the phone. She said, " Do you realize that if

> Garrett had not become autistic then we wouldn't know any of

> this? " That's a strong statement. My daughter would be fully

> immunized and I'd be slathering steroid cream on my son's eczema

> and I'd probably be back on Prozac for depression.... So I guess

> some good can come out of tragedy.

Everything that happens to us happens for a reason - for our growth, for

others' growth - nothing comes from coincidence. But it's not always

understandable that some have to suffer in the process of growth.

Accepting that is part of the growth.

God I'm profound tonight. I think I need some sleep. And Sheri - I *am* on

a new remedy. Finally - Ignatia for me.

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" For those who believe, no proof is necessary.

For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. "

[Guest guest]

> Dear Sheri B.,

>

> You know in the end I think it really depends on how strong the friendship

> is. I have really close friends who are not into the same things

> I'm in but

> even if we differ they still listen. They don't have children yet though

> and I don't know if it will change but I still believe that true

> friends try

> to understand you.

Here, here Ella. " Be who you are and say what you feel: those that matter

don't mind, and those that mind don't matter. "

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" For those who believe, no proof is necessary.

For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. "

[Guest guest]

Lovely words of encouragement! Thanks for sharing them

>God I'm profound tonight. I think I need some sleep. And Sheri - I *am* on

>a new remedy. Finally - Ignatia for me.

;-)

>

>Love, light and peace,

>

>Sue

Sheri N.>

--------------------------------------------------------

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

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and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

You are both right, Sue and Ella. It's just the good friendships (especially

those that have lasted 10 years or more) are hard to come by. I guess I'm just

mourning the realization that the friendship is dying.

And it's lonely at the top, eh people? LOL

Sheri B.

mum2mishka <mum2mishka@...> wrote:

> Dear Sheri B.,

>

> You know in the end I think it really depends on how strong the friendship

> is. I have really close friends who are not into the same things

> I'm in but

> even if we differ they still listen. They don't have children yet though

> and I don't know if it will change but I still believe that true

> friends try

> to understand you.

Here, here Ella. " Be who you are and say what you feel: those that matter

don't mind, and those that mind don't matter. "

Love, light and peace,

Sue

" For those who believe, no proof is necessary.

For those who don't believe, no proof is possible. "

[Guest guest]

Sheri,

I can totally relate. Most of my closest friends are friends I have from college

(and most of them are still registered nurses and can't fathom why I'm not

anymore). I've been friends with them for 20+ years. They're not local, so we

keep in touch via email and telephone. But I cringe when the topics turn to

their sick kids, babies getting their shots, etc. It HAS been a major

disruption to our friendships. And it has made me quite sad that things have

leveled off like they have. I'm sure some of them will be my friends for life,

but it's not in the close way we were before I became " enlightened. "

What do most people seem to talk about anymore? Illnesses and diseases! They

used to call me for advice when they or their kids were sick (when I was still

working as an RN). They don't do that anymore! LOL

It IS hard to find good friends locally. The one's I keep in touch with, who

are like-minded, are the ones I've met through this list. I sure wish we lived

closer and could be there in person for one another. It DOES get lonely at the

top, Sheri! : )

I don't know of anyone in my area who thinks like I do. So, I turn to my online

friends for support and conversation. And my dh wonders why I'm on the computer

so much! LOL

Kay

RE: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

You are both right, Sue and Ella. It's just the good friendships (especially

those that have lasted 10 years or more) are hard to come by. I guess I'm just

mourning the realization that the friendship is dying.

And it's lonely at the top, eh people? LOL

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheri --

I'm sorry that your friend is so concerned about the cost of treating her

son naturally. Many Moms (and Dads) look at the initial cost and not the

long term benefits.

When I do my presentations, I have a set of slides that I show for a family

who's child was chronically ill (my words - Mom felt he was a normal

child). The child visited the pediatrician almost on a monthly basis, some

months several times. His Mom kept a detailed record of her child's doctor

visits as well as what and why medication was given, both over-the-counter

and prescription -- the amount of money that family spent on that child each

year was staggering. Since discovering some of the causes of his underlying

issues, and making changes to address them, yes that family has spent money,

but the mother acknowledges they've spent far less than they were spending

before for doctor visits, meds, and two surgeries that probably could have

been avoided -- and her child IS HEALTHIER now!

And you're not a nut, great health takes an investment, and IS an

investment, and in my opinion it's one of the greatest gifts we can give our

children. Hopefully your friend will make the investment of her *time* to

read the book the school counselor recommended -- that costs nothing. And

if I may, I'd also suggest the book " Is This Your Child " by Dr. Doris Rapp

-- should be available at the library. And then hopefully she'll make the

appointment with the naturopath. :-)

Keep smiling, and keep sharing -- there really are lots of folks like us out

there. :-)

Health & blessings,

Project MAHMA -- Moms At Home Making A difference...

and a lot of money!

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

[Guest guest]

Yes Sheri, let's all stand together and recover these children who have brought

tremendous awareness to the world by exposing the tragic effects of the

healthcare system too many have blindly entrusted their care to.

We owe these little drug and vaccine damaged veterans all the love, prayers

and care we can give.

Anita

>

> And you make a good point that my sister made to me this afternoon on

the phone. She said, " Do you realize that if Garrett had not become

autistic then we wouldn't know any of this? " That's a strong statement. My

daughter would be fully immunized and I'd be slathering steroid cream on my

son's eczema and I'd probably be back on Prozac for depression.... So I

guess some good can come out of tragedy.

>

> Now to get these kids recovered!!

>

> Let's all stand together.

>

> You guys are such a blessing.

>

> Sheri B.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gosh....why couldn't we all just live closer to one another.? I have the

same problem. I think my friends think i am better than them (or think i

do). I don't of course, i want what they want a healthy family. However,

they just think i have gone over the deep end. My best friend asked me what

i had decided to do about vaccines and i gave her a lengthy email and she

said that she had assumed that i wouldn't. She told me to take her off my

list (of vaccine info)...(.which i don't HAVE any ways) because she had

decided to vaccinate. In fact, our relationship has really changed since

then. It was sad:((( I think, to be honest, that she is fearful for her

child to be around mine because they are not vaccinated!! Crazy i know.

Any ways, it would be great if we all lived closer and could support each

other. But, i will take the internet thing for now:)))

jen c

-------Original Message-------

Sheri,

I can totally relate. Most of my closest friends are friends I have from

college (and most of them are still registered nurses and can't fathom why I

m not anymore). I've been friends with them for 20+ years. They're not

local, so we keep in touch via email and telephone. But I cringe when the

topics turn to their sick kids, babies getting their shots, etc. It HAS

been a major disruption to our friendships. And it has made me quite sad

that things have leveled off like they have. I'm sure some of them will be

my friends for life, but it's not in the close way we were before I became

enlightened. "

What do most people seem to talk about anymore? Illnesses and diseases!

They used to call me for advice when they or their kids were sick (when I

was still working as an RN). They don't do that anymore! LOL

It IS hard to find good friends locally. The one's I keep in touch with,

who are like-minded, are the ones I've met through this list. I sure wish

we lived closer and could be there in person for one another. It DOES get

lonely at the top, Sheri! : )

I don't know of anyone in my area who thinks like I do. So, I turn to my

online friends for support and conversation. And my dh wonders why I'm on

the computer so much! LOL

Kay

[Guest guest]

--- Carver <jenjackcarver@...>

wrote:

> Any ways, it would be great if we all lived closer

> and could support each

> other. But, i will take the internet thing for

> now:)))

that's why i started the database, so people who live

close to each other can find each other in there and

meet up!

i'm surprised to see there are only some 15 people on

there, i mean, we do have a few more members than

that, honestly.

claudia

'Fear not the path of truth for the lack of people walking on it.' - Bobby

Kennedy

http://www.livejournal.com/users/lady_karelia

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[Guest guest]

Well what we need to do is " found " our own little neighborhood of nonvaxing

people so we're not so alone and isloated anymore..you know what they say

about strength in numbers...

RE: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

>

> You are both right, Sue and Ella. It's just the good friendships

> (especially those that have lasted 10 years or more) are hard to come by.

> I guess I'm just mourning the realization that the friendship is dying.

>

> And it's lonely at the top, eh people? LOL

>

> Sheri B.

>

>

[Guest guest]

sheri,

i think i know exactly what you mean *wistful_sigh*.

i, too, have lost many friends because i'm the

annoying cow who questions everything that comes from

any source (and believe me when i say vaccines are

only the tip of the iceberg ;-) ) and the one who

doesn't know when to shut up. my middle-name is

bluntness when it isn't impatience ;-)

i have learned, over the years, that whenever a door

closes (= a friendship goes down the drain - and i

don't take the term 'friendship' lightly, by any

means), at least one other door will open. it was not

an easy path, not at all, but looking back, i know

without the shadow of a doubt that i've done what's

right for me and my family. i've also learned - the

hard way - that there's no point trying to save a

friendship by simply giving in to a viewpoint. it

simply doesn't work that way. so my conclusion

eventually became that each of us grows at their own

pace, and it's inevitable that some friendships die.

even family ties. which can be a very good thing i've

realised, as much as it hurt when the break happened.

what i find the most important thing in life is that i

can go to sleep every night with a clear conscience -

i love my children and i do what i truly believe is

best for them, with no influence from anyone.

i seriously believe that if you follow your heart,

your gut feeling, your intuition, whatever you wanna

call it, you'll go to sleep happy. which ensures a

good night sleep and a refreshed self the next

morning.

i lost the last vaccinating 'friend' a few years ago,

and ever since, i refuse to hold back with my opinion

of anything. yes, i have gained a few enemies

*wry_grin*, but i have also gained a sizeable number

of new friends who no longer vaccinate (or send their

kids to school, or use vegetable oil etc).

humans are not meant to be sheep, they're meant to be

individuals, on every level. unfortunately, too few

people are aware of that they prefer to self-police

in sheep-like manner. be proud to stand out from the

crowd.

:-)

claudia

--- " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote:

> I guess this might be sort of OT, but I'm sure many

> of you in this vaccines group have been shunned and

> ridiculed. I just need to know you guys are out

> there for me. Sometimes it feels like you guys are

> the ONLY ones out there for me! LOL

>

> Just had a phone conversation with my best friend.

> It didn't go too well. It didn't get heated, but I

> could tell that she was uncomfortable.

>

> Her son is 10 and good friends with my son. We

> were pregnant together.

>

> He is a brilliant child. Genius. But he's always

> had eczema, asthma and now he's got a whopping case

> of ADHD. I mean the kid can't do any work without

> his meds.

>

> My friend hated to put him on the meds but, like

> everyone, she had instant results and all of a

> sudden he was living up to his potential and liking

> himself and making friends. Gotta admit - that's

> hard to refuse.

>

> But they're seeing that they have to keep upping

> his meds. She's uncomfortable as she knows

> somewhere deep down that these meds aren't good.

>

> So the school counselor referred her to an outside

> counselor. Get this: She advises her to read

> Ritalin Free Kids (WHICH I HAD GIVEN HER TO READ!!!)

> and referred her to a well-known naturopath in one

> of the bigger cities.

>

> So when she tells me this I was thrilled! I

> thought - hallelujah - she's getting it!

>

> I said that hopefully this person can start

> treating what is really wrong with him instead of

> just masking symptoms. Her reply was, " Do you think

> that they'll ever really know what causes it? " To

> which I replied, " Yeah, I think they do know what

> causes it but nobody likes the answers. " So she

> retorted, " Well what if it IS the vaccinations?

> It's not like they can undo them at this point. " So

> I said that maybe it's food intolerances or

> environmental toxins... could be a ton of stuff, but

> nobody really wants to know what - just how to make

> it go away enough to get through a school day.

>

> But then she complained that the intitial fee

> wasn't covered by insurance, yada yada yada. OK,

> this lady is living in a BEAUTIFUL home that is

> decorated like you wouldn't believe, drives nice

> cars, dresses to the nines and she isn't willing to

> pay $150 for her kid's health? So I tried to nicely

> say that yes, I like nice things too and that it's

> my true weakness, but that we've determined that our

> family's health is so much more precious.... The

> line almost went dead.

>

> She went on to say that she just can't see

> spending money that she could be saving for his

> college when there is no proof that any of it works.

> She can understand how my sister can do it with an

> autistic child because it's not like he's ever going

> to be normal or anything. ARRGGGH!

>

> I think part of the problem is that she is

> remarried and this child is not the biological child

> of her husband. He is a great step-dad, but I know

> that he wants a nestegg and financial security is

> VERY important to him. The real dad has just been

> diagnosed as bi-polar and is on a boatload of drugs.

>

> We tried to switch the subject and lightly talk

> about other stuff but it just wasn't the same. I

> know she thinks I'm a judgmental nutcase and I think

> she's a spoiled nincompoop even though I just want

> to be friends. But it hurts so bad when a truly

> good friend of over 10 years thinks you're crazy.

> And when you know you're right and that they're

> hurting their child.

>

> Sigh.

>

> Just needed to write it down.

>

> Thanks guys!

> Sheri B.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi all --

Here's a great place to find similar minded people. The organization is

called The Holistic Moms Network - www.HolisticMoms.org, they have monthly

meeting and I believe they have chapters in all 50 states.

Health & blessings,

Creating Healthier Lives... one family at a time.

http://www.Shaklee.net/ExcitingHealth

1-866-312-8064

[Guest guest]

I have one! I am in a group of 15 women, none of whom vaccinate and the majority

of them believe in natural, nutritional, herbal or homeopathic treatments. It

is wonderful to be able to call someone local when I have concerns about my

children's health or need immediate reassurance. I highly recommend everyone

either finding a group of like minded mamas, or starting one of your own. The

woman who started the one that I belong to listed it on Mothering.com. It was

initially quite a bit bigger than 15, but it got out of control and so we went

our own way and kept it small.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- RE: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

>

> You are both right, Sue and Ella. It's just the good friendships

> (especially those that have lasted 10 years or more) are hard to come by.

> I guess I'm just mourning the realization that the friendship is dying.

>

> And it's lonely at the top, eh people? LOL

>

> Sheri B.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sara,

I used to belong to a group of about a dozen women with the same beliefs. It

was formed by husband and wife network chiropractors run mostly by the wife

. She called the group 'Moms Making a Difference' and was the first one to

give me an exemption form. A very impressive form written by an attorney. I

still use it. That was in 1994/95 and was a learning and empowering time of my

life I will never forget.

Anita

SaraShaughnessy@... wrote:

I have one! I am in a group of 15 women, none of whom vaccinate and the

majority of them believe in natural, nutritional, herbal or homeopathic

treatments. It is wonderful to be able to call someone local when I have

concerns about my children's health or need immediate reassurance. I highly

recommend everyone either finding a group of like minded mamas, or starting one

of your own. The woman who started the one that I belong to listed it on

Mothering.com. It was initially quite a bit bigger than 15, but it got out of

control and so we went our own way and kept it small.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

--------- RE: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

>

> You are both right, Sue and Ella. It's just the good friendships

> (especially those that have lasted 10 years or more) are hard to come by.

> I guess I'm just mourning the realization that the friendship is dying.

>

> And it's lonely at the top, eh people? LOL

>

> Sheri B.

>

>

[Guest guest]

None in Kentucky.

Thanks anyway!

Kay

Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

Here's a great place to find similar minded people. The organization is

called The Holistic Moms Network - www.HolisticMoms.org, they have monthly

meeting and I believe they have chapters in all 50 states.

[Guest guest]

My heart goes out to you Kay. You have so much knowledge and generosity of heart

and no one in your parts to really share it with except your family. If those

folks only knew better or were willing to open their minds.....well you could

change things there for the better I'm sure. I'm sure grateful I can tap into

your fountain of knowledge. :~]

Anita

KPhilpot <KPhilpot@...> wrote:

None in Kentucky.

Thanks anyway!

Kay

Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

Here's a great place to find similar minded people. The organization is

called The Holistic Moms Network - www.HolisticMoms.org, they have monthly

meeting and I believe they have chapters in all 50 states.

[Guest guest]

maybe we should start one.

Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

> Here's a great place to find similar minded people. The organization is

> called The Holistic Moms Network - www.HolisticMoms.org, they have

monthly

> meeting and I believe they have chapters in all 50 states.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Start one!

At 11:43 PM 1/6/2006 -0500, you wrote:

>None in Kentucky.

>

>Thanks anyway!

>

>Kay

> Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

>

> Here's a great place to find similar minded people. The organization is

> called The Holistic Moms Network - www.HolisticMoms.org, they have monthly

> meeting and I believe they have chapters in all 50 states.

>

>

>

>>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Thanks Anita. Your sweet email made my day.

And even my family won't listen to me! DH lets me do what I want as far as the

kids' health is concerned, but he's not interested in the least about any of it.

My sister no longer speaks to me (a big part is she says we " don't have anything

in common anymore " ). My brother... I don't even bother. His wife worked for

various pHARMaceutical companies for years and now works in marketing for a

surgical supply company. So they're thoroughly brainwashed. My mom drives me

crazy listening to my information, asking questions about it, then going right

on her merry way with her drugs and MD visits.

So, it truly is just the people I've met on this list who I have for support and

information. I'm so grateful for that!

Kay

Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

My heart goes out to you Kay. You have so much knowledge and generosity of

heart and no one in your parts to really share it with except your family. If

those folks only knew better or were willing to open their minds.....well you

could change things there for the better I'm sure. I'm sure grateful I can tap

into your fountain of knowledge. :~]

Anita

[Guest guest]

That's a great idea, Sandy. I wish we lived closer to eachother, but it still

would be do-able. SURELY we're not alone in this big state!

Kay

Re: Tired of people thinking I'm a nut

maybe we should start one.