Re: Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

[Guest guest]

I think that panicked feeling comes from the all the years of hearing and be

being preached about to about the fact that vaccines prevent disease

etc,etc,etc.

follow your gut about not wanting the shots.That little annoying voice in

your head helps keep everyone from messing up in life too much ( well at

least it does if you listen to it,or acknowledge it exists).

I recently had a very bad experince with the fact of one my older being

vaxed.When she was 12 she developed a brain tumor,and she had

radiation,chemo,and a stem cell transplant done.But that did not save her

from the ravage of the disease.She a temporary remission for about 2 yrs and

but the cancer came back.She slowly developed problems again until it was

diganosed that the cancer had spread and that doing chemo and radiation all

over again would do no good this time.That was in the middle of june this

year..She passed away on Nov 8.Me and me and my husband very strongly feel

that the cause of her problem was the containimated polio or SV40.Before she

died she lost the abilty to walk,use the bathroom by herself,and in the end,

she was ended up totally unable to move by herself and was paralyzed,unable

to even move her move arms.Her decline was a horrible thing to see,and it

was an awful situation.For awhile I took of her at home,physically moving

her myself because she no longer could,to change her clothes, change her

bedding,etc,and this happened to what was a very active teenage girl that

liked to play basketball,ride her bike,rollerskate with her friends,honor

roll student since the beginning of school.stayed out of

trouble....basically the kind of kid every parents hopes for....She was put

back in the hospital about a week before she died because of problems with

breathing and swallowing and pain problems that could not be handled at

home.At the hospital her oxygen and her pain meds were increased daily to

keep her comfortable,I signed a DNR for her because I knew that her conditon

was such that she would not want to be kept like she was,unable to

move,hardly able to talk,use the bathroom,etc.As bad as it was for me,I had

to think what she would want and the way she was was'nt the way she wanted

to live,so I had to let go and do what was best for her..

Next time you have any doubts not vaxing,remember my story.....a problem

from a vaccine does not have to show up right after getting it,there could

be problems years down the road,like the situation I had with my

daughter....she was just fifteen yrs old,had ever had only one

boyfriend,never even made it to high school or got a learning permit to

learn to drive.....so when doubt pops up in your mind,remember me.....

Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

> Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even

got pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about

the vax, and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while, now

I'm back to each email the past few weeks.

>

> So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been

vaxxed. My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to

our pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but still

encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment, and

were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well

today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really bad gut

feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

>

> I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to

vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely

has close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we

do go out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in

crowds some but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he

is in the lower risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in

ville, FL if that matters).

>

> So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines,

just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT

having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just get

this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all

crazy and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right away,

then I come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

>

> What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a

worry wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned

if I do damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do

you all deal with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way?

I want to be confident in my decision.

>

> ) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the thoughts..I think my peace of mind will come when the truth

about vaccines comes out,once and for all...

Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

> >

> >

> > > Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I

even

> > got pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more

about

> > the vax, and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while,

> now

> > I'm back to each email the past few weeks.

> > >

> > > So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been

> > vaxxed. My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked

to

> > our pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but

> still

> > encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment,

> and

> > were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow.

Well

> > today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really bad gut

> > feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

> > >

> > > I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't

want

> to

> > vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary

> rarely

> > has close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face),

but

> we

> > do go out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in

> > crowds some but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think

he

> > is in the lower risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in

> > ville, FL if that matters).

> > >

> > > So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him

> vaccines,

> > just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him

NOT

> > having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just

> get

> > this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all

> > crazy and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right

> away,

> > then I come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

> > >

> > > What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a

> > worry wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm

damned

> > if I do damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How

> do

> > you all deal with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this

way?

> > I want to be confident in my decision.

> > >

> > > ) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

> > >

> > > ~ UNIQUE BABY STORE ~ I Sell Baby/Kids Clothing and Natural Parenting

> > Advocacy Clothing!

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> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Oh - I know it is kind of scary to not vaccinate...but even my

pediatrician who is pro vax commented how rare it is for a baby to only have

well

visits b/c most babies have 10 or more colds,ear infections, etc that first

year- Skylar had one very mild cold and that is it and she is 14.5 months

old...she is so healthy and bright and happy and I know that is why....Everyone

is

so surprised by how much she talks for her age and how healthy she always

is.....ALL other babies I know (all are vaxxed) have fought multiple colds, ear

infections (many have tubes), have runny eyes, are slow learners, etc. Once

you let them vaccinate them, it is always in their little bodies- so really

think about what you are doing...it isnt something you can turn around and just

fix. His little 4month old body is just building its immune

system.......you dont want to flood it with preservatives and disease in vax,

yuck....

Hang in there and be strong. I know, it was easy for me to not vax my

dog...but when it came to Skylar I was so afraid to make that decision...and

still

am many times, but I would never consider vaxing her- I know it would

compromise her health and mental abilities...

At our well visits, I just cringe when I hear babies screaming like they are

being tormented, and I know it is the shots....and so many of them get

fevers and the spot bruises or burns, it is just terrible...GO with your

instincts- you are his mommy and they are telling you what you know is right

Amy

[Guest guest]

You poor dear. I remember feeling that way with my first only I didn't listen to

my instincts, fell to the pressure and had him vaccinated. I'll never forget

crying in front of my father the first time my baby boy got his shots. My dad

thought I was crying because of the pain he would feel from the injection. Even

though I tried to explain, he couldn't understand why on earth I was so upset.

You have a chance to avoid it altogether and never be faced with guilt or

regret. You are exclusively breastfeeding so he has far less chance of picking

up a disease than a vaccinated baby does; far less. If your sure that vaccines

don't work and are capable of causing harm to your baby, don't be afraid of

declining them. If your not sure, I completely understand your fear and doubt.

Anita

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote:

Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even got

pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about the vax,

and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while, now I'm back to

each email the past few weeks.

So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been vaxxed. My

hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to our pediatrician

about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but still encouraged us to get

them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment, and were going to get them

one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well today I just couldn't take

the pressure. I just have a really bad gut feeling, and I called and cancelled

the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to vax

him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he is in the lower

risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in ville, FL if that

matters).

So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines, just

sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT having the

vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just get this awful

panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all crazy and upset

about it and then think oh I need to take him in right away, then I come to my

senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a worry wart

anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned if I do damned

if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do you all deal with

this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way? I want to be confident

in my decision.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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[Guest guest]

Hello ,

I know exactly what you are going through. My little girl is now 4 and unvaxed.

I had done alot or research while i was pregnant and both my husband and i

decided not to. It turns out she is the most healthy and happy little girl we

know. We are surrounded by so many sick children who always seem to be back

and forth to the doctors or hospital. She has never been on antibiotics nor

has she ever had an ear infecton and has really only had about 3 small fevers

since she was born. I would panic when i would think about what we did not do

and it was killing me. Though i knew the risks of not vaxing would always

outweigh the risks of what is in each and every shot, but as time as passed i am

very confident with my decision. I brought her everywhere when she was born.

That didn't bother me much. I just love my baby girl(eventhough she is 4

now)hehe. Just recently i have a met a mom who does not vax either. It has

taken this long to actually meet anyone local to me. Most of my support came

from my heart and this wonderful board. I also homeschool her now...so she is

with Mom all day. You and your husband are making a great decision...don't back

out now for the sake of your precious little guy. Good luck. Mona

Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even got

pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about the vax,

and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while, now I'm back to

each email the past few weeks.

So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been vaxxed.

My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to our

pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but still

encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment, and were

going to get them one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well today I

just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really bad gut feeling, and I

called and cancelled the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to vax

him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he is in the lower

risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in ville, FL if that

matters).

So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines,

just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT

having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just get

this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all crazy

and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right away, then I

come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a worry

wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned if I do

damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do you all deal

with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way? I want to be

confident in my decision.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for understanding!

I am convinced they can cause harm, but I am not convinced they don't work. I

guess I haven't done that part of the research effectively.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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----- Original Message -----

You poor dear. I remember feeling that way with my first only I didn't listen

to my instincts, fell to the pressure and had him vaccinated. I'll never forget

crying in front of my father the first time my baby boy got his shots. My dad

thought I was crying because of the pain he would feel from the injection. Even

though I tried to explain, he couldn't understand why on earth I was so upset.

You have a chance to avoid it altogether and never be faced with guilt or

regret. You are exclusively breastfeeding so he has far less chance of picking

up a disease than a vaccinated baby does; far less. If your sure that vaccines

don't work and are capable of causing harm to your baby, don't be afraid of

declining them. If your not sure, I completely understand your fear and doubt.

Anita

[Guest guest]

I'm new to the list - but go with your gut.

My daughter just turned two on the 6th. Not vaccinated - breastfeed exclusively

for 6 months - formula/breastfed for 2 months - figured out about goat's milk,

she's been on that exclusively since 9 months.

She's had ONE fever, ONE! She had one cough that we got from friends that

weren't over their cold (and were less than honest about it ...) when she was 4

months old - but no fever.

One doctor really tried to persuade me to have vacs. I changed doctors. This

one says " well that's an interesting story " about how healthy she is - and we've

agreed to disagree on vacs. The one my heart was hurting about was the Polio

Vac. The Pro-Vac doctor said " that's the one you don't have to worry about, but

I want you to seriously think about the Tetanus shot by next spring " . That's

why I joined this list was to get more info, that I couldn't find other places.

I think we'll stick with the vitamin c - in juice/water and her multi-mineral

and vitamin liquid as preventive care.

I'm an older single mom - my dad and I really went round and round about not

wanting formula (I had low supply, I had to give her something else), no vacs,

and eventually goats milk. But he came around to 100% support with me - and

grandma was already there. I work at home, so my daughter doesn't have a lot of

exposure to other kids except at church - and older cousins.

I know we all have to do what our mommy hearts tell us - and if I was in NY City

- , I might look at things differently - but dealing with arthritis from the

time I was 8, food allergies, and quite frankly obesity - that short of eating

500 calories a day, I'm not sure how to get over. - I just couldn't look at my

daughter in good conscience and give her the vacs. Oh yeah, what really got me

started on the no vacs, was when I was pregnant and they told me I didn't have

immunity to measles, and to be careful. I had the vac as a child, again at 19

at one college where there was an outbreak, and again at 21 at another college

when I didn't have my records. If after three vacs I wasn't protected, what

good was it?

I'm pleased with her health, her mental abilities (I found I do have a bit of

pride, when the doc said " you have an extremely bright child " at her two year

check up) and her physical abilities.

At the end of the day, I figured any disease outside of Polio - could be treated

with vitamin C- and if necessary anti-biotics (though I'm no fan of those

either) - If Polio becomes an issue, I guess we'll take that as it comes, and

figure out how to fight it homeopathically.

But I'm comfortable with my decision - and don't feel that for the most part -

there's anyone that I need to defend the decision to -

Go with your heart!

Cheryl

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body. " - C.S.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucas

appointment, and were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is

tomorrow. Well today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really

bad gut feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to vax

him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close.

[Guest guest]

,

LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! Your instincts are so very important. If something does

not feel right at the moment, you can always wait and do more research until you

feel solid one way or another.

My sister had a really strong gut feeling about not giving her son the flu

shots. There was even a public service announcement about it the night before

and she got a cold chill and just shrugged it off. Now she is totally convinced

that the mercury in his flu shots was the straw that broke the camel's back. He

is autistic. She is going through major depression because she feels like she

did it to him by not listening to her gut.

That's not to say that that would happen to your dear son. But I AM saying

that your intuition is very important. It's there for a reason. Don't just

shrug it off.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Sheri B.

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote:

Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even got

pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about the vax,

and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while, now I'm back to

each email the past few weeks.

So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been vaxxed. My

hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to our pediatrician

about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but still encouraged us to get

them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment, and were going to get them

one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well today I just couldn't take

the pressure. I just have a really bad gut feeling, and I called and cancelled

the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to vax

him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he is in the lower

risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in ville, FL if that

matters).

So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines, just

sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT having the

vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just get this awful

panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all crazy and upset

about it and then think oh I need to take him in right away, then I come to my

senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a worry wart

anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned if I do damned

if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do you all deal with

this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way? I want to be confident

in my decision.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

~ UNIQUE BABY STORE ~ I Sell Baby/Kids Clothing and Natural Parenting Advocacy

Clothing!

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[Guest guest]

Think of all the children that get the very diseases they were vaccinated for in

most cases from the vaccine itself. Think about how these vaccine induced

diseases are not properly expressed and released from their bodies. think about

the unreleased disease hiding deep within your childs body just waiting for an

opportunity to be expressed in other insidious ways that are never linked to

their earlier vaccines that weaked their immune system and caused not prevented

disease in the first place. Now think and ask yourself, do they really work?

Anita

Lucas <rachellucas6@...> wrote:

Thanks for understanding!

I am convinced they can cause harm, but I am not convinced they don't work. I

guess I haven't done that part of the research effectively.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

~ UNIQUE BABY STORE ~ I Sell Baby/Kids Clothing and Natural Parenting Advocacy

Clothing!

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----- Original Message -----

You poor dear. I remember feeling that way with my first only I didn't listen

to my instincts, fell to the pressure and had him vaccinated. I'll never forget

crying in front of my father the first time my baby boy got his shots. My dad

thought I was crying because of the pain he would feel from the injection. Even

though I tried to explain, he couldn't understand why on earth I was so upset.

You have a chance to avoid it altogether and never be faced with guilt or

regret. You are exclusively breastfeeding so he has far less chance of picking

up a disease than a vaccinated baby does; far less. If your sure that vaccines

don't work and are capable of causing harm to your baby, don't be afraid of

declining them. If your not sure, I completely understand your fear and doubt.

Anita

[Guest guest]

Oh dear . I am so sorry for your loss -- May you find comfort

somehow . . .

I just can't imagine losing a child ( I have one son). The pain must be

so extremely difficult.

Sending healing thoughts your way,

Sandy

Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

>

>

> > Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even

> got pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about

> the vax, and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while,

now

> I'm back to each email the past few weeks.

> >

> > So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been

> vaxxed. My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to

> our pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but

still

> encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment,

and

> were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well

> today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really bad gut

> feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

> >

> > I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want

to

> vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary

rarely

> has close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but

we

> do go out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in

> crowds some but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he

> is in the lower risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in

> ville, FL if that matters).

> >

> > So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him

vaccines,

> just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT

> having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just

get

> this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all

> crazy and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right

away,

> then I come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

> >

> > What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a

> worry wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned

> if I do damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How

do

> you all deal with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way?

> I want to be confident in my decision.

> >

> > ) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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[Guest guest]

Oh , I am so sorry. Sending good thoughts your way and your

family.

--How ironic...I have 4 Great Danes and when I got my first

Dane is when I started learning about vaccines for dogs. I also feed

a raw diet to my dogs (7 in total) and they are vax free, except for

puppy shots before I knew. I am now pregnant with twins, due in May,

and I know how you feel. I research everyday, talk to as many people

as I can, visit all my novax sites daily and just try to learn all I

can. My friend has an extremely healthy 8 month old vax free daughter

who first mentioned not vaxing a child. I just figured that you had

too...I didnt know you had a choice. The more I research the more I

dont want to vax but I think after years of it being drilled into our

heads that vaxing is good, it is hard to let go of those thoughts. DH

and I have decided not to vax but that is still a hard decision. Our

children will already be in the " high risk " group according to the

AAP and HHS b/c I have a neurological condition (plus other health

problems) and also since I am carrying twins, they will probably be

at a low birth weight b/c the docs arent sure how long I can carry

them before my body starts to shut down. So I have a medical reason

not to vax and it is still hard. I have always been a firm believer

in listening to my instincts. They have saved me more then once and

my instincts are screaming not to vaccinate, that the risk is far

greater for them to have a reaction rather then actually catch

something deadly. You are his mother, you know what the right

decision for your family is. You have to have faith in that decision.

Angie

[Guest guest]

Oh ,

Yes yes yes. I went through weeks of crying, feeling panicked and

terrible anxiety as I did my research. It was dizzying and I felt so

insecure and upset and fearful. Just awful. My first two had been

partially vaxxed so I also had a bad (and I mean BAD) case of the

guilts over having vaxed them so blindly.

I got over it. You will get over it. At some point you will be

absolutely secure in your decision. You will not need your ped to

agree with you, you won't care. You will not need anyones approval.

You will KNOW that you made the right decision and you will dig your

heels into the ground and refuse to budge or even discuss it.

That WILL happen . And when it does, the anxiety and panic and

all that will just dissipate... and soon, life will seem normal again.

Well, normal as in a new " normal " because now you've joined the ranks

of the 10% of the world who is AWAKE, and that is a whole other

" normal " LOL but it's all gooooood!

You are doing the right thing. If you want, take a break from

research, it makes ones head spin. But only a breif breather. Then

go to NMAseminars.com and get Dr. Sheri Tenpenny's DVD. This will

SOLIDIFY your decision and help you dig those heels into the

foundation. You will be left with NO DOUBT!

You'll be fine, and your baby will grow up and thank you!

Love and best wishes,

Laurette

[Guest guest]

>

> Thanks for understanding!

> I am convinced they can cause harm, but I am not convinced they

don't work. I guess I haven't done that part of the research effectively.

Here, this will help you...

Here's what you do. Find proof that they DO work. This wild goose

chase will be a necessary exercise, one that I had to do too.

After the frusteration tires you out, now, find proof that they do NOT

work. You'll find this quest much easier.

Love

Laurette

[Guest guest]

At 08:15 PM 11/29/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even

got pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about

the vax, and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while,

now I'm back to each email the past few weeks.

>

>So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been

vaxxed. My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to

our pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but

still encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an

appointment, and were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is

tomorrow. Well today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a

really bad gut feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

>

>I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to

vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely

has close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but

we do go out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in

crowds some but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he

is in the lower risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in

ville, FL if that matters).

>

>So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines,

just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT

having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just

get this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get

all crazy and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right

away, then I come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

Hi - you need more information. Than you will be more comfortable.

That's why I teach part 2 of vaccine dangers class - maybe you want to look

at that.

I go over all the diseases and WHY you don't have to be so afraid.

#1 vaccine doesn't prevent anything - just gives a chronic case of the

illness

#2 vaccine is suppressive and injures immune system

#3 - vaccine adds its own damage thru chemicals, contamination and more.

>

>What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a

worry wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned

if I do damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do

you all deal with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way?

I want to be confident in my decision.

>

I don't have children, but I'm sure others have felt this way. I have no

fear for myself.

You are not damned if you don't.

You are doing the absolute best by breastfeeding and NOT vaccinating.

INFORMATION is piece of mind

Sheri

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

>

>At the end of the day, I figured any disease outside of Polio - could be

treated with vitamin C- and if necessary anti-biotics (though I'm no fan of

those either) - If Polio becomes an issue, I guess we'll take that as it

comes, and figure out how to fight it homeopathically.

>

>But I'm comfortable with my decision - and don't feel that for the most

part - there's anyone that I need to defend the decision to -

>

>Go with your heart!

>Cheryl

Thanks Cheryl for sharing that

AND polio can be treated with Vitamin C

But encourage all to read what I sent on polio VERY LIKELY not from any

virus at all but from toxic exposure.

Sheri

>

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Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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******

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Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

Oh ,

I'm so sorry to hear about this. My heart goes out to you

Were you ever able to talk to Raphaele & Horwin who went thru

similar with their young son?

Love to you and your family.

Sheri

..She passed away on Nov 8.Me and me and my husband very strongly feel

>that the cause of her problem was the containimated polio or SV40.Before she

>died she lost the abilty to walk,use the bathroom by herself,and in the end,

>she was ended up totally unable to move by herself and was paralyzed,unable

>to even move her move arms.>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

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Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

At 05:10 AM 11/30/2005 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> Thanks for understanding!

>> I am convinced they can cause harm, but I am not convinced they

>don't work. I guess I haven't done that part of the research effectively.

>

PS - stay away from that Doctor if at all possible. Well baby visits are

NOT necessary for life.

I'm a former peds nurse - managed a 4 pediatrician practice. The visits

are basically for vaccines. If anything else were going on, mostly, you,

as the mom would know.

Find a homeopath or naturopath or family practice doc or chiropractor for

your baby.

You won't want much from a ped including vaccines

Sheri

>

--------------------------------------------------------

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

$$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561

(go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail

Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL

OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE.

******

" Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down.

Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy

knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information

and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner

[Guest guest]

About six years ago I was in your same position. I agonized night and day over

the vaccination issue. I don't think that I fully enjoyed my sons first two

months because I was constantly worried about what to do. I felt that you did

" damned if you do, damned if you don't " . I didn't listen to the nagging feeling

in the pit of my stomach and I had my baby vaccinated. He received all of the

ones he was " supposed to " , but I stopped when he was due to receive the MMR. He

was sick quite a bit that first year. He was in for ear infections, roseola,

and many fevers. It never hit me that he always got sick within a week or two

of his shots. I stopped before the MMR because I met a mom with an autistic

son. I listened to her story and decided to never vaccinate again.

When Colin was almost two, we found out that we were expecting. I decided that

this baby would not receive any vaccines. My second son was born at home with

no medical interventions whatsoever. He was a whopping ten pounds and is the

epitomy of a healthy kid! He has been sick maybe twice in his life. Has never

had an ear infection and never even had a doctor suggest antibiotics because he

has never been that sick. He gets the occasional cold, but seems to fight them

off quicker than anyone else in the house. He is a chubby little three year

old, while my first son has always been really skinny.

When Colin was 3, we noticed that he was turning blue one morning. We rushed

him to the hospital and discovered that he has asthma and allergies. He also

has a speech delay. The doctor that our midwife referred us to (she not only

respects our decision, she fully supports it) told me that she believed that

Colin's issues were caused from the vaccines' assault on his immune system.

The thing that helped me feel more confident in my decision is to NOT research

the vaccines so much, but the diseases. Research the incidents of the disease,

the typical side effects, etc. While making the decision I spoke to my

grandmother, I was talking about the MMR and she gave me this weird look and

said " For crying out loud, it is JUST the measles! " . All five of her children

had measles and mumps and she said that neither were a big deal.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

[Guest guest]

Well we hadn't gone to any well visits before, only this one because I did want

to ask her about a few things dealing with vaccine shedding (I am really

concerned about this). He had gone to a few visits there for breastfeeding

problems we were having, the pedi is an IBCLC, and so that was when he was 2

months and they said I could do what I want with the vax, end of story, it was

never mentioned again. We had also gone 3 times within his first few weeks of

life because he was dropping weight like crazy (more than what I think is

normal) But then at 4.5 months when I ASKED for the advice, she told me what she

thought. She did recommened all kinds of supplements before (tons of vit c, e,

and a) and during and after. I really do like her, and she recommended us to a

craniosacral therapy, she does recommned chiropractors at times, they are VERY

big fans of natural cures for things, like oscillium (sp?) for the flu instead

of vax, some homeopathic rememedies (she will tell you about them but doesn't

really " prescribe " them), etc. When I had thrush they did everything possible

to help me, and mastitis without using drugs. So I mean I like her, she is the

best ped here, but like you said, we won't be going unless its needed. I am

good at speaking my mind and saying no, so I'm not worried about being pressured

once I am confident in my decision, I just have to get there first! LOL Oh and

at his visit, I was concerned about something with his head and wanted to her to

check it.

But thanks so much for your advice. I do agree the VAST majority of Dr./Vet

visits are completely unnecessary. I actually do like this one, and trust her

in everything else, and everyone in my community that doesn't vax, goes to her,

so this isn't new for her! I do have some supportive friends on this issue

locally, I just get so freaked out about it!

Thanks again!!! I appreciate it alot, and I will look into your class for sure!

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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PS - stay away from that Doctor if at all possible. Well baby visits are

NOT necessary for life.

I'm a former peds nurse - managed a 4 pediatrician practice. The visits

are basically for vaccines. If anything else were going on, mostly, you,

as the mom would know.

Find a homeopath or naturopath or family practice doc or chiropractor for

your baby.

You won't want much from a ped including vaccines

Sheri

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your experience, that does help.

A friend of mine's baby just had the measles at 3 months old, and the Dr. didn't

even give her any medicine! They told her it was the measles, and sent them

home and said she would be fine. So right then I was obviously convinced that

wasn't worth vaxing for! LOL

My mom had whooping cough when she was little, she got threw it fine.

I am sorry your son has had issues to vaccines, so heartbreaking.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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The thing that helped me feel more confident in my decision is to NOT research

the vaccines so much, but the diseases. Research the incidents of the disease,

the typical side effects, etc. While making the decision I spoke to my

grandmother, I was talking about the MMR and she gave me this weird look and

said " For crying out loud, it is JUST the measles! " . All five of her children

had measles and mumps and she said that neither were a big deal.

--

Sara

Proud Mama to

Colin 12/07/99

Jack 8/07/02

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your email, that is great reassurance!

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

Hi everyone... I have been on this list a LONG time, since before I even got

pregnant. I first came on for my Great Dane, Vega, to learn more about the vax,

and boy did I learn a lot. Then I went on digest for a while, now I'm back to

each email the past few weeks.

So fast forward... I have a 4 month old son now. He has never been vaxxed.

My hubby and I have been doing the research and we have talked to our

pediatrician about vaxxing. She is OK with delayed or no vax, but still

encouraged us to get them, on our schedule. So we made an appointment, and were

going to get them one at a time. That appointment is tomorrow. Well today I

just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really bad gut feeling, and I

called and cancelled the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to

vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close. He is exclusively breastfed. So I think he is in the lower

risk category for catching the disease (oh we are in ville, FL if that

matters).

So here is my problem. I am just sick thinking about giving him vaccines,

just sick, and I don't want to do it, period. BUT when I think of him NOT

having the vaccines, even though I know the bad stuff about them, I just get

this awful panic that goes throughout me and I can't stop it. I get all crazy

and upset about it and then think oh I need to take him in right away, then I

come to my senses, and go back to not wanting him to be vaxxed.

What is wrong with me? Do any of you guys have this feeling? I am a worry

wart anyway so maybe that is part of it. But I feel like I'm damned if I do

damned if I don't! And I feel GUILTY for NOT getting them. How do you all deal

with this if you feel this way? How can I NOT feel this way? I want to be

confident in my decision.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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[Guest guest]

That is what my midwife told me when I asked her opinion on this, listen to your

gut. She said you can change your mind and get them later but you can't undo

them. Crazy story about your sister, gave me chills!

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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Re: Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

,

LISTEN TO YOUR GUT! Your instincts are so very important. If something

does not feel right at the moment, you can always wait and do more research

until you feel solid one way or another.

My sister had a really strong gut feeling about not giving her son the flu

shots. There was even a public service announcement about it the night before

and she got a cold chill and just shrugged it off. Now she is totally convinced

that the mercury in his flu shots was the straw that broke the camel's back. He

is autistic. She is going through major depression because she feels like she

did it to him by not listening to her gut.

That's not to say that that would happen to your dear son. But I AM saying

that your intuition is very important. It's there for a reason. Don't just

shrug it off.

Good luck and keep us posted!

Sheri B.

[Guest guest]

Thank you, I have a lot to think about!

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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Re: Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

Think of all the children that get the very diseases they were vaccinated for

in most cases from the vaccine itself. Think about how these vaccine induced

diseases are not properly expressed and released from their bodies. think about

the unreleased disease hiding deep within your childs body just waiting for an

opportunity to be expressed in other insidious ways that are never linked to

their earlier vaccines that weaked their immune system and caused not prevented

disease in the first place. Now think and ask yourself, do they really work?

Anita

[Guest guest]

She sounds like a wonderful child! Thanks for sharing this with me. It is

encouraging.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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Re: Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

I'm new to the list - but go with your gut.

My daughter just turned two on the 6th. Not vaccinated - breastfeed

exclusively for 6 months - formula/breastfed for 2 months - figured out about

goat's milk, she's been on that exclusively since 9 months.

She's had ONE fever, ONE! She had one cough that we got from friends that

weren't over their cold (and were less than honest about it ...) when she was 4

months old - but no fever.

One doctor really tried to persuade me to have vacs. I changed doctors. This

one says " well that's an interesting story " about how healthy she is - and we've

agreed to disagree on vacs. The one my heart was hurting about was the Polio

Vac. The Pro-Vac doctor said " that's the one you don't have to worry about, but

I want you to seriously think about the Tetanus shot by next spring " . That's

why I joined this list was to get more info, that I couldn't find other places.

I think we'll stick with the vitamin c - in juice/water and her multi-mineral

and vitamin liquid as preventive care.

I'm an older single mom - my dad and I really went round and round about not

wanting formula (I had low supply, I had to give her something else), no vacs,

and eventually goats milk. But he came around to 100% support with me - and

grandma was already there. I work at home, so my daughter doesn't have a lot of

exposure to other kids except at church - and older cousins.

I know we all have to do what our mommy hearts tell us - and if I was in NY

City - , I might look at things differently - but dealing with arthritis from

the time I was 8, food allergies, and quite frankly obesity - that short of

eating 500 calories a day, I'm not sure how to get over. - I just couldn't

look at my daughter in good conscience and give her the vacs. Oh yeah, what

really got me started on the no vacs, was when I was pregnant and they told me I

didn't have immunity to measles, and to be careful. I had the vac as a child,

again at 19 at one college where there was an outbreak, and again at 21 at

another college when I didn't have my records. If after three vacs I wasn't

protected, what good was it?

I'm pleased with her health, her mental abilities (I found I do have a bit of

pride, when the doc said " you have an extremely bright child " at her two year

check up) and her physical abilities.

At the end of the day, I figured any disease outside of Polio - could be

treated with vitamin C- and if necessary anti-biotics (though I'm no fan of

those either) - If Polio becomes an issue, I guess we'll take that as it comes,

and figure out how to fight it homeopathically.

But I'm comfortable with my decision - and don't feel that for the most part -

there's anyone that I need to defend the decision to -

Go with your heart!

Cheryl

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

" You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body. " - C.S.

----- Original Message -----

From: Lucas

appointment, and were going to get them one at a time. That appointment is

tomorrow. Well today I just couldn't take the pressure. I just have a really

bad gut feeling, and I called and cancelled the appointment.

I did a ton of more research today, and DH & I agree that we don't want to

vax him at this time (if ever). He is at home with me all day, vary rarely has

close visitors (like grandparents, friends, who are in his face), but we do go

out a lot to lunch or the mall or target or whatever. So he is in crowds some

but not up close.

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy. Yes the dog was so easy compared to the baby, wasn't it?

I know Sklar is a wonderful kid from all of your stories about her, and she

certaily looks like the poster child of health from what I've seen of her.

) Lucas, mom to Gavin ~ 07.09.05 ~ 4 Months Old

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Re: Feeling Overwhelmed and Paniced

Oh - I know it is kind of scary to not vaccinate...but even my

pediatrician who is pro vax commented how rare it is for a baby to only have

well

visits b/c most babies have 10 or more colds,ear infections, etc that first

year- Skylar had one very mild cold and that is it and she is 14.5 months

old...she is so healthy and bright and happy and I know that is

why....Everyone is

so surprised by how much she talks for her age and how healthy she always

is.....ALL other babies I know (all are vaxxed) have fought multiple colds,

ear

infections (many have tubes), have runny eyes, are slow learners, etc. Once

you let them vaccinate them, it is always in their little bodies- so really

think about what you are doing...it isnt something you can turn around and

just

fix. His little 4month old body is just building its immune

system.......you dont want to flood it with preservatives and disease in vax,

yuck....

Hang in there and be strong. I know, it was easy for me to not vax my

dog...but when it came to Skylar I was so afraid to make that decision...and

still

am many times, but I would never consider vaxing her- I know it would

compromise her health and mental abilities...

At our well visits, I just cringe when I hear babies screaming like they are

being tormented, and I know it is the shots....and so many of them get

fevers and the spot bruises or burns, it is just terrible...GO with your

instincts- you are his mommy and they are telling you what you know is right

Amy