Re: Some advice???

November 3, 2005

I can understand well how you feel, I had similar

feelings at the same time, when my son was your son's

age and I had to make a decision about MMR. Fortunatly

my friend provided me with lots of good information

which helped me make up my mind not to vaccinate. You

have breastfed him and if you are still doing this, it

will be the only thing he needs. The key to loosing

your fear is to become well informed. These diseases

are not as dangerous as the docs make you believe. I

always stayed calm when talking to them and when they

became persistent, I just wrote a lette to let them

know that I had made an informed decision.

After that they left us alone and it is now in my

son's files that he will not receive another vaccine.

Don't let yourself be guided by fear, become informed

and ask your doctor for time to wait, don't rush this

important decision.

Sheri, the group moderator will probably have lots of

good help on her website.

Measles can only then be dangerous if you suppress any

symptoms with drugs to stop them surfacing properly.

Like for example if you give drugs to bring down the

fever then this will stop the body burning off the

virus and for the rash to come out, the body's natural

way to get rid of the toxins from the virus.

Like I said, get well informed from good sources and

this will help you become strong and loose your fear.

It takes time but you'll be amazed at how eye-opening

this can be and how much you will learn. The most

important thing: if you can, breastfeed her for as

long as possible, for years. This is what I did and

there have been a couple of Measles outbreaks here and

my son stayed healthy, but I wouldn not worry now if

he did het the measles or any other disease as he is

soooo strong.

I am from the UK and here vaccines are not compulsory

so other members from the US will know more about

regulations in NYC.

I wish you all the best along your path to become

informed.

Ingrid

--- jdesenf <jdesenf@...> wrote:

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Hi I am a new member of the group. I have a 19 month

old son who up

until this point has been vacinated. My real concern

started over

the MMR vaccine. Everyday I am in a dilema about the

side effects

of the vaccine versus the dangers of him contracting

the disease.

My doctor is supportive but does think that he should

get the

vaccine soon as winter is peak time for the diseases.

We have

thought about holding off until he is older hoping

that the side

effects will be more minimal as he matures. We have

thought about

trying to get a single jab for each measels mump and

rubella but is

seems to have just as many side effects.

My son was exclusivly breastfeed for 15 months and for

the most part

we eat organic food and try to live a non toxic life

in terms of

chemicals in our home.

I most days feel confident with holding off but every

once in a

while I feel a panik that he could die from one of the

disease that

the shot is supposed to prevent. Every time he comes

down with a

cold I check the symptoms of Measels and Mump to be

sure that he

does not have them. Can anyone give me any idea's on

the percentage

of normal healthy children that are not vaccinated

that have serious

side effects for the diseases. Is there anything that

I can do to

help my son stay healthy if we do not end up giving

him the

vaccine? In NYS state does anyone know that school

requirements

regarding vaccines? I would appreciate any

information that could

be passed along I am new to this and it is quite

overwhelming.

November 4, 2005

I most days feel confident with holding off but every once in a

while I feel a panik that he could die from one of the disease that

the shot is supposed to prevent.

I feel the exact same way. It's like a catch 22 situation for me. I feel more

stress in my life than I ever have before. My dd is just 6 months and has not

had any vax's. My husband and family wants me to get her shots for her and I

feel so much pressure. I am trying to learn as much as possible but feel quite

overwhelmed with the info. Most importantly I want to know how to treat a

disease should something arise.

I am also trying to learn how to eat healthier and am CLUELESS, so if anyone can

point me in the right direction I would be forever grateful. I have been

talking with Laurette and she has been a great comfort to me.

jdesenf <jdesenf@...> wrote:

Hi I am a new member of the group. I have a 19 month old son who up

until this point has been vacinated. My real concern started over

the MMR vaccine. Everyday I am in a dilema about the side effects

of the vaccine versus the dangers of him contracting the disease.

My doctor is supportive but does think that he should get the

vaccine soon as winter is peak time for the diseases. We have

thought about holding off until he is older hoping that the side

effects will be more minimal as he matures. We have thought about

trying to get a single jab for each measels mump and rubella but is

seems to have just as many side effects.

My son was exclusivly breastfeed for 15 months and for the most part

we eat organic food and try to live a non toxic life in terms of

chemicals in our home.

I most days feel confident with holding off but every once in a

while I feel a panik that he could die from one of the disease that

the shot is supposed to prevent. Every time he comes down with a

cold I check the symptoms of Measels and Mump to be sure that he

does not have them. Can anyone give me any idea's on the percentage

of normal healthy children that are not vaccinated that have serious

side effects for the diseases. Is there anything that I can do to

help my son stay healthy if we do not end up giving him the

vaccine? In NYS state does anyone know that school requirements

regarding vaccines? I would appreciate any information that could

be passed along I am new to this and it is quite overwhelming.

November 4, 2005

Emma Palma

Here are some items that may be of interest to you:

Science News, in an article entitled

" The Dark Side of Immunizations " (Nov. 22, 1997),

reviewed several studies by New Zealand and by

British researchers showing that vaccinated

children have a higher incidence of asthma and

diabetes than do unvaccinated children.

The article notes that animal studies indicate

that an absence of contact with naturally

occurring viruses increases the risk of diabetes,

and that research in humans suggests that some

childhood infections may be advantageous in

priming the child's immune system to fight

off asthma.

A 1994 study suggested that

the pertussis vaccination of infants may

increase the risk of asthma five-fold during

childhood. (Odent MR, Culpin EE, Kimel T.,

" Pertussis vaccination and asthma:

is there a link? " JAMA, 1994; 272:591-592.)

A report in Infectious Diseases in Clinical

Practice showed that the incidence of diabetes

in Finland was stable in children under four

years of age until the government made several

changes in its childhood vaccination schedule.

The introduction of these new vaccines in that

country were followed by a 62% rise in the

incidence of diabetes in the 0 to 4 year-old

age group, and a 19% rise of diabetes in the

5 to 9 year-old age group between the years

1980-82 and 1987-89. (October 22, 1997)

Bob Catalano

November 5, 2005

Sounds like you need to do Sheri's online homeopathy course!! I'm

sure she will send you some information about it. Once you feel

confident about using homeopathy for your health care needs you will

find that the fear dissapates, but you need to come to this

conclusion yourself, me telling you that you don't need to worry

won't cut it I know!

Regards Debbie

> Hi I am a new member of the group. I have a 19 month old son who

up

> until this point has been vacinated. My real concern started over

> the MMR vaccine. Everyday I am in a dilema about the side effects

> of the vaccine versus the dangers of him contracting the disease.

> My doctor is supportive but does think that he should get the

> vaccine soon as winter is peak time for the diseases. We have

> thought about holding off until he is older hoping that the side

> effects will be more minimal as he matures. We have thought about

> trying to get a single jab for each measels mump and rubella but

is

> seems to have just as many side effects.

>

> My son was exclusivly breastfeed for 15 months and for the most

part

> we eat organic food and try to live a non toxic life in terms of

> chemicals in our home.

>

> I most days feel confident with holding off but every once in a

> while I feel a panik that he could die from one of the disease

that

> the shot is supposed to prevent. Every time he comes down with a

> cold I check the symptoms of Measels and Mump to be sure that he

> does not have them. Can anyone give me any idea's on the

percentage

> of normal healthy children that are not vaccinated that have

serious

> side effects for the diseases. Is there anything that I can do to

> help my son stay healthy if we do not end up giving him the

> vaccine? In NYS state does anyone know that school requirements

> regarding vaccines? I would appreciate any information that could

> be passed along I am new to this and it is quite overwhelming.

>

November 5, 2005

I had to learn to loose my fear of disease aswell,

especially the childhood ones. It takes time and lots

of information so just take this time to gather all

the info you can. I do have respect for disease and

illness but no fear. I think I have respect for life,

nature and our body and treat it accordingly. If you

give a car the wrong kind of fuel it won't go and

break down. If you don't look after it, the same will

happen. The same applies to our body, give it lots of

foods as close to their natural state as possible and

you can't go wrong. For example drinking orange juice

from concentrate is fine but it is even better to

drink it freshly squeezed or even eat the whole fruit,

which is the best. This is true health not a cocktail

of heavy metal and dead animal tissue plus

preservatives. I think just finding out what the

ingredients of vaccines are was enough to make me

realize that I do not want my son to have any more and

then I looked at the alternatives. I found out that

measles and mumps (I have had both disaeses and am

stronger for it)are necessary for the young immune

system to develop and how you can use homeopathy to

help a child that cannot cope and needs help. But I am

still learning. I think scaremongering in both

directions doesn't help,just good information.

It is worth spending time over this issue before

making a decision, after all it is for life.

All the best wishes for this journey.

Love,

Ingrid

November 5, 2005

> I think I have respect for life,

> nature and our body and treat it accordingly. If you

> give a car the wrong kind of fuel it won't go and

> break down. If you don't look after it, the same will

> happen. The same applies to our body, give it lots of

> foods as close to their natural state as possible and

> you can't go wrong. For example drinking orange juice

> from concentrate is fine but it is even better to

> drink it freshly squeezed or even eat the whole fruit,

> which is the best. This is true health not a cocktail

> of heavy metal and dead animal tissue plus

> preservatives.

Right on! I second that!

....and .... if you treat it right, it will function right and if it

fucntions right, then it will recover from anything..

If you treat your car right, you wont live in fear that it will break

down.

November 7, 2005

Hi Ingrid and everyone that responding to my questions

My husband has done some research on vaccines and feels very confident that our

son should be vaccinated. He is understanding of my views and has been very

patient while we consider this decesion. Does anyone have any actual stastics

of people that have had adverse reactions to the MMR vaccine. Most information

that I find regarding the vaccine talks about the Mercury in it but I know that

now it is not in the vaccine in the U.S. Does anyone have some essays on the

MMR vaccine in particular. I have looked through the website and printed some

of the articles.

Also alot has come out about water lately. I know that plastic is not good for

you, but what is the alternative if you are on the go. We got rid of all our

tupperware but I still find myself using plastic when I drink water. I would

love to use glass but have not found anything out there that would be OK.

Thanks for all the advice.

Jen

Ingrid Schebesch <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote:

I had to learn to loose my fear of disease aswell,

especially the childhood ones. It takes time and lots

of information so just take this time to gather all

the info you can. I do have respect for disease and

illness but no fear. I think I have respect for life,

nature and our body and treat it accordingly. If you

give a car the wrong kind of fuel it won't go and

break down. If you don't look after it, the same will

happen. The same applies to our body, give it lots of

foods as close to their natural state as possible and

you can't go wrong. For example drinking orange juice

from concentrate is fine but it is even better to

drink it freshly squeezed or even eat the whole fruit,

which is the best. This is true health not a cocktail

of heavy metal and dead animal tissue plus

preservatives. I think just finding out what the

ingredients of vaccines are was enough to make me

realize that I do not want my son to have any more and

then I looked at the alternatives. I found out that

measles and mumps (I have had both disaeses and am

stronger for it)are necessary for the young immune

system to develop and how you can use homeopathy to

help a child that cannot cope and needs help. But I am

still learning. I think scaremongering in both

directions doesn't help,just good information.

It is worth spending time over this issue before

making a decision, after all it is for life.

All the best wishes for this journey.

Love,

Ingrid

November 7, 2005

Check out Sheri's website. It has info on each specific vaccine:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Here is another very informative site that breaks down info on each vaccine:

http://www.whale.to/vaccines/vaccines.html

Here is a link to VAERS, the governments site on Vaccine Adverse Events

Reporting System. It's estimated that only 1 - 10% of adverse reactions ever