Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these dark circles under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I noticed a little girl at my daughter's mom's morning out program (her mom is the nurse who canceled her flu shot - thank goodness). And my son's are getting worse. Is this a sign of allergies? Sheri B. --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Are your children taking daily fish oil or some type of efa's? I know American children are grossly lacking these types nutrients. Just a thought. Anita " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these dark circles under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I noticed a little girl at my daughter's mom's morning out program (her mom is the nurse who canceled her flu shot - thank goodness). And my son's are getting worse. Is this a sign of allergies? Sheri B. --------------------------------- FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Anita, Yes, I make sure my kids get their " fear factor " (aka Nordic Naturals) every day. Hmmmm. Sheri B. bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered if it was allergies also. Western NY Re: Circles Under The Eyes > Are your children taking daily fish oil or some type of efa's? I know > American children are grossly lacking these types nutrients. Just a > thought. > Anita > > " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: > Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these dark circles > under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I noticed a little girl > at my daughter's mom's morning out program (her mom is the nurse who > canceled her flu shot - thank goodness). And my son's are getting worse. > > Is this a sign of allergies? > > Sheri B. > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! Kay Re: Circles Under The Eyes Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered if it was allergies also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hi - I saw on your post that you are in Western NY. I am in Central New York. I have had dark circles my whole life and have always thought it was just a family trait. My 20 month old son also has them sometimes very bad, never thought that it could be because of something he is lacking or and allergy. Jen bluheron <bluheron@...> wrote: Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered if it was allergies also. Western NY Re: Circles Under The Eyes > Are your children taking daily fish oil or some type of efa's? I know > American children are grossly lacking these types nutrients. Just a > thought. > Anita > > " Sheri B. " <tallchick1966@...> wrote: > Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these dark circles > under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I noticed a little girl > at my daughter's mom's morning out program (her mom is the nurse who > canceled her flu shot - thank goodness). And my son's are getting worse. > > Is this a sign of allergies? > > Sheri B. > > > --------------------------------- > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hi Sheri, It can be food allergies - usually wheat/gluten, I believe - but another very common cause is poor kidney function. Too little water intake and toxins in the system, plus kidneys under strain will cause them - as will plain old lack of sleep. I have had good results with reflexology for clients with dark circles under the eyes who have found their urinary elimination improved. Even better if they upped their fluid intake. HTH. Sue > > Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > >Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these > >dark circles under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I > >noticed a little girl at my daughter's mom's morning out program > >(her mom is the nurse who canceled her flu shot - thank > >goodness). And my son's are getting worse. > > > >Is this a sign of allergies? > > > >Sheri B. > > > > > >--------------------------------- > > FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 At 02:54 PM 11/10/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Has anyone noticed lately that more and more kids have these dark circles under their eyes. They just don't look healthy. I noticed a little girl at my daughter's mom's morning out program (her mom is the nurse who canceled her flu shot - thank goodness). And my son's are getting worse. > >Is this a sign of allergies? > >Sheri B. > In homeopathy it is a symptom that we take into consideration when looking at the whole symptom picture and would use to help find the right remedy Could mean allergies, but we don't try to figure out why. It is useful to guide us to the right remedy Sheri > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 hi anita, another post already suggested that wheat and dairy are most commonly linked to the circles... reading your post and realising henry is autistic - gluten, dairy and sugar are common allergies / intolerances in autistic spectrum (due to gut damage i think?). audrey, although not yet diagnosed (as she is just 2years) displays ADHD type behaviour (which is why i embarked on this diet in the first place) and we have had most success going gluten / dairy and sugar free. i wasnt aware that ADHD children responded in similar ways (diet wise) to autistic kids. i think our current doctor said these disorders are on the same spectrum? this is all new to me so im not 100% sure about the accuracy of what ive just said but we have seen soooo many doctors of late and the info is sometimes overwhelming... i can send you links to great sites explaining this in more detail if you like (email me off the group - roweena@...). i just thought there could be a link with the circles and autism... but you have most probably tried the gluten free thing! roweena x > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > Kay > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > if it was allergies also. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Hi Roweena, Actually, yes, I have tried the gfcf diet and you will find it is very helpful for some and shows no difference in others. My thoughts on diet and autism are to keep the childs diet as clean/organic as possible because of their difficulty eliminating toxins. There are plenty of children on the diet, but it is still dirty. I believe a constant effort to strengthen their immune system will help them heal their guts and overcome much of the associated problems. Using diet and boosting his immune system daily, I was able to cure him from chronic diarhea that plagued him the first 18 mos of life. I found a new Dr. for him that accepts our insurance and is well versed in the biomedical care of autism. We will see her in December and start all over again with heavy metal testing and food allergies. I'm not too crazy about our local DAN doctors. Reading Sheri Nakkens post by W. to April at TAAP only confirmed my distrust for this group of doctors, though I'm sure some of them are wonderful. Thank you for caring and sharing. May I ask if your daughter was vaccinated? I have also heard that ADHD is on the spectrum and diet has clearly been shown to improve behaviour there as well. It didn't do a thing for my Henry and was most inconvenient. Anita, New York rowe <roweena@...> wrote: hi anita, another post already suggested that wheat and dairy are most commonly linked to the circles... reading your post and realising henry is autistic - gluten, dairy and sugar are common allergies / intolerances in autistic spectrum (due to gut damage i think?). audrey, although not yet diagnosed (as she is just 2years) displays ADHD type behaviour (which is why i embarked on this diet in the first place) and we have had most success going gluten / dairy and sugar free. i wasnt aware that ADHD children responded in similar ways (diet wise) to autistic kids. i think our current doctor said these disorders are on the same spectrum? this is all new to me so im not 100% sure about the accuracy of what ive just said but we have seen soooo many doctors of late and the info is sometimes overwhelming... i can send you links to great sites explaining this in more detail if you like (email me off the group - roweena@...). i just thought there could be a link with the circles and autism... but you have most probably tried the gluten free thing! roweena x > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > Kay > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > if it was allergies also. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Roweena, It is 8:15am and the lighting is magnificent. As I take a good look at Henry's eyes, they are not nearly as dark as they used to be. I'm trying to tie sleep and fluids into this and can only see poor sleep as a possible culprit as he is well hydrated by choice. Anita rowe <roweena@...> wrote: hi anita, another post already suggested that wheat and dairy are most commonly linked to the circles... reading your post and realising henry is autistic - gluten, dairy and sugar are common allergies / intolerances in autistic spectrum (due to gut damage i think?). audrey, although not yet diagnosed (as she is just 2years) displays ADHD type behaviour (which is why i embarked on this diet in the first place) and we have had most success going gluten / dairy and sugar free. i wasnt aware that ADHD children responded in similar ways (diet wise) to autistic kids. i think our current doctor said these disorders are on the same spectrum? this is all new to me so im not 100% sure about the accuracy of what ive just said but we have seen soooo many doctors of late and the info is sometimes overwhelming... i can send you links to great sites explaining this in more detail if you like (email me off the group - roweena@...). i just thought there could be a link with the circles and autism... but you have most probably tried the gluten free thing! roweena x > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > Kay > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > if it was allergies also. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 hi anita, i totally agree - organic is the best way to go - keeping things simple and unprocessed! strengthening the system - this is my approach right now. hoping that by doing that she will later be able to tolerate a more varied diet! the diet is a pain in the butt but mostly now just a part of life... and we have seen so many positive changes in audrey that it makes it worthwhile. the diet we are on puts alot of emphisis on salycilates in fruit (so we avoid most fruits as well as gluten, dairy and sugar) and this is where we see the most drastic improvement as fruit is what affects the behaviour most in many kids - this is certainly true for audrey! we are seeing a doctor who follows the pfieffer protocol and has great resultls with autistic / adhd children. she has run a heap of blood tests, urine analisis etc to treat her with supplements and im not quite sure what else is involved, bu we get the results on tuesday so fingers crossed, whatever she perscribes helps... i like you have heard great things about biomedicine so i am excited about possible improvements! sorry to hear the diet didnt help henry (but lucky for you i would say... atleast your not stuck in th kitchen!). id love to hear how you go with your treatments. roweena x > > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical > homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > > > Kay > > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > > if it was allergies also. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 hi anita, i totally agree - organic is the best way to go - keeping things simple and unprocessed! strengthening the system - this is my approach right now. hoping that by doing that she will later be able to tolerate a more varied diet! the diet is a pain in the butt but mostly now just a part of life... and we have seen so many positive changes in audrey that it makes it worthwhile. the diet we are on puts alot of emphisis on salycilates in fruit (so we avoid most fruits as well as gluten, dairy and sugar) and this is where we see the most drastic improvement as fruit is what affects the behaviour most in many kids - this is certainly true for audrey! we are seeing a doctor who follows the pfieffer protocol and has great resultls with autistic / adhd children. she has run a heap of blood tests, urine analisis etc to treat her with supplements and im not quite sure what else is involved, bu we get the results on tuesday so fingers crossed, whatever she perscribes helps... i like you have heard great things about biomedicine so i am excited about possible improvements! vax status - audrey was given the one in hospital and the 2 month injections... before she was born i had decided we would wait till after she was two before vax but caved under the pressure when i hadnt really done enough research... now that i have read 4 books and much of the info i recieve on this group..... audrey will never be immunised. if we do have more children - we will not be immunising at all! im not sure if its true... but i have heard that when people say autism and adhd are on the same spectrum, they often say an add / adhd, if fully immunised may be at a higher risk from the autism bought on during the second year of life... do you have any thoughts on this? all i know is audrey is obviously so sensitive (she can tolerate less than 10 foods and is chemical sensitive), i wonder if this is due to the immunisations she did receive and i hate to think how her little body would have coped if we had continued!!! sorry to hear the diet didnt help henry (but lucky for you i would say... atleast your not stuck in th kitchen!). id love to hear henrys story and how you go with your treatments. roweena x > > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical > homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > > > Kay > > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > > if it was allergies also. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Rowena, so much emphasis is put on wheat and dairy that you forget how negatively powerful other foods like fruit really are. I had no idea that it was such an offender in so many children. If your avoiding most fruit, I guess salycilates are in most fruits. That is sad that a child must be denied the thousands of important phyto-nutrients and chemicals found in nutrient dense fruits that prevent illness and chronic disease. With the goal being future tolerence, I guess the sacrifice is well worth it; if successful. I just can't believe how complicated eating has become for the human race. I'll let you know how his appointment goes with his new doc in Dec. and thanks for the info. Anita rowe <roweena@...> wrote: hi anita, i totally agree - organic is the best way to go - keeping things simple and unprocessed! strengthening the system - this is my approach right now. hoping that by doing that she will later be able to tolerate a more varied diet! the diet is a pain in the butt but mostly now just a part of life... and we have seen so many positive changes in audrey that it makes it worthwhile. the diet we are on puts alot of emphisis on salycilates in fruit (so we avoid most fruits as well as gluten, dairy and sugar) and this is where we see the most drastic improvement as fruit is what affects the behaviour most in many kids - this is certainly true for audrey! we are seeing a doctor who follows the pfieffer protocol and has great resultls with autistic / adhd children. she has run a heap of blood tests, urine analisis etc to treat her with supplements and im not quite sure what else is involved, bu we get the results on tuesday so fingers crossed, whatever she perscribes helps... i like you have heard great things about biomedicine so i am excited about possible improvements! sorry to hear the diet didnt help henry (but lucky for you i would say... atleast your not stuck in th kitchen!). id love to hear how you go with your treatments. roweena x > > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical > homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > > > Kay > > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > > if it was allergies also. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Roweena, Forgot to tell you Henry was never vaccinated, at least that I know of. They could have shot him with a hepb at the hospital. He was on 2 types of powerful iv antibiotics on his 3rd day of life for three days for no reason other than precaution due to suspected aspiration of breastmilk.We were both in the hospital because of c-section recovery. He then recieved 8 weeks of anti/b polluted breastmilk as I had a dangerous case of phlebitis. This was ok'd by the hospital staff lactation consultant. I was very sick, scared and needed to bond with my baby. If I could only go back and do it again. Henry had early onset autism and unlike most others, never developed skills to loose. He is 4 1/2 and just got his first word. When I say, " Ready, Set!! " , he says, " ga " ever so sweetly. Anita rowe <roweena@...> wrote: hi anita, i totally agree - organic is the best way to go - keeping things simple and unprocessed! strengthening the system - this is my approach right now. hoping that by doing that she will later be able to tolerate a more varied diet! the diet is a pain in the butt but mostly now just a part of life... and we have seen so many positive changes in audrey that it makes it worthwhile. the diet we are on puts alot of emphisis on salycilates in fruit (so we avoid most fruits as well as gluten, dairy and sugar) and this is where we see the most drastic improvement as fruit is what affects the behaviour most in many kids - this is certainly true for audrey! we are seeing a doctor who follows the pfieffer protocol and has great resultls with autistic / adhd children. she has run a heap of blood tests, urine analisis etc to treat her with supplements and im not quite sure what else is involved, bu we get the results on tuesday so fingers crossed, whatever she perscribes helps... i like you have heard great things about biomedicine so i am excited about possible improvements! vax status - audrey was given the one in hospital and the 2 month injections... before she was born i had decided we would wait till after she was two before vax but caved under the pressure when i hadnt really done enough research... now that i have read 4 books and much of the info i recieve on this group..... audrey will never be immunised. if we do have more children - we will not be immunising at all! im not sure if its true... but i have heard that when people say autism and adhd are on the same spectrum, they often say an add / adhd, if fully immunised may be at a higher risk from the autism bought on during the second year of life... do you have any thoughts on this? all i know is audrey is obviously so sensitive (she can tolerate less than 10 foods and is chemical sensitive), i wonder if this is due to the immunisations she did receive and i hate to think how her little body would have coped if we had continued!!! sorry to hear the diet didnt help henry (but lucky for you i would say... atleast your not stuck in th kitchen!). id love to hear henrys story and how you go with your treatments. roweena x > > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical > homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > > > Kay > > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > > if it was allergies also. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 >im not sure if its true... but i have heard that when people say autism and adhd are on the >same spectrum, they often say an add / adhd, if fully immunised may be at a higher risk >from the autism bought on during the second year of life.. I see them as on the spectrum of injury to the brain due to the vaccines Here is the spectrum I see........ Varying degrees of the encephalitis from brain injury range from: 1. irritability 2. intractable crying 3. sleepiness to comalike sleep 4. seizures 5. hyperactivity 6. ADD/ADHD 7. autism 8. death (SIDS & other) And anything else in between - its because of the inflammation of their little brains. > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 At 06:47 AM 11/11/2005 -0800, you wrote: >Rowena, >so much emphasis is put on wheat and dairy that you forget how negatively powerful other foods like fruit really are. I had no idea that it was such an offender in so many children. If your avoiding most fruit, I guess salycilates are in most fruits. That is sad that a child must be denied the thousands of important phyto-nutrients and chemicals found in nutrient dense fruits that prevent illness and chronic disease. With the goal being future tolerence, I guess the sacrifice is well worth it; if successful. I just can't believe how complicated eating has become for the human race. I'll let you know how his appointment goes with his new doc in Dec. and thanks for the info. >Anita and pesticides on fruit could be a major issue here> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Both SIDS and ADHD/ADD children are better off without casein. I have seen firsthand in my own kids and others how those circles go away after a week without dairy. You will also find your children more able to focus. > > I've had them all my life (as well as a lifetime of allegies). I'm under a classical > homeopath's care now, so I'm curious to see if they eventually go away! > > > > Kay > > Re: Circles Under The Eyes > > > > > > Yes, my two sons have it too, and I know their diet is bad too, but wondered > > if it was allergies also. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2005 Report Share Posted November 11, 2005 Don't forget SID - Sensory Integration Disorder. It is different from autism and ADD/ADHD. > > > >im not sure if its true... but i have heard that when people say autism > and adhd are on the > >same spectrum, they often say an add / adhd, if fully immunised may be at > a higher risk > >from the autism bought on during the second year of life.. > > I see them as on the spectrum of injury to the brain due to the vaccines > > Here is the spectrum I see........ > > > Varying degrees of the encephalitis from brain injury range from: > 1. irritability > 2. intractable crying > 3. sleepiness to comalike sleep > 4. seizures > 5. hyperactivity > 6. ADD/ADHD > 7. autism > 8. death (SIDS & other) > > And anything else in between - its because of the > inflammation of their little brains. > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath > Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK > $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account > vaccineinfo@t... voicemail US 530-740-0561 > (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail > Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm > Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL > OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. > ****** > " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. > Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy > knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information > and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Are you saying that ALL forms of autism are accompanied or caused by some level of encephalitis which was inevitably caused by vaccines? Reason I ask is because my son Henry was such a peaceful child with none of the symptoms on your list below. I always thought of his autism as a gut/brain issue never considering actual brain inflamation. One of the weird things I did notice before autism reared it's ugly head was he would be perfectly awake and then fall into a lifeless sleep within a second. I remember the first time this happened while holding him and talking to my sister. I became frightened and tried to wake him up to make sure he was ok. It didn't happen often but when it did, I was disturbed by it. Anita Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: >im not sure if its true... but i have heard that when people say autism and adhd are on the >same spectrum, they often say an add / adhd, if fully immunised may be at a higher risk >from the autism bought on during the second year of life.. I see them as on the spectrum of injury to the brain due to the vaccines Here is the spectrum I see........ Varying degrees of the encephalitis from brain injury range from: 1. irritability 2. intractable crying 3. sleepiness to comalike sleep 4. seizures 5. hyperactivity 6. ADD/ADHD 7. autism 8. death (SIDS & other) And anything else in between - its because of the inflammation of their little brains. > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. ****** " Just look at us. Everything is backwards; everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality " .... Ellner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 That sounds like seizure activity to me. (LJL) > > Are you saying that ALL forms of autism are accompanied or caused by some level of encephalitis which was inevitably caused by vaccines? Reason I ask is because my son Henry was such a peaceful child with none of the symptoms on your list below. I always thought of his autism as a gut/brain issue never considering actual brain inflamation. One of the weird things I did notice before autism reared it's ugly head was he would be perfectly awake and then fall into a lifeless sleep within a second. I remember the first time this happened while holding him and talking to my sister. I became frightened and tried to wake him up to make sure he was ok. It didn't happen often but when it did, I was disturbed by it. > > Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 My thoughts exactly. Kay > > > > Are you saying that ALL forms of autism are accompanied or caused by > some level of encephalitis which was inevitably caused by vaccines? > Reason I ask is because my son Henry was such a peaceful child with > none of the symptoms on your list below. I always thought of his > autism as a gut/brain issue never considering actual brain > inflamation. One of the weird things I did notice before autism reared > it's ugly head was he would be perfectly awake and then fall into a > lifeless sleep within a second. I remember the first time this > happened while holding him and talking to my sister. I became > frightened and tried to wake him up to make sure he was ok. It didn't > happen often but when it did, I was disturbed by it. > > > > Anita > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 I suppose that is possible. He still falls asleep rather quickly but not the same. Is there a way to know for sure? Anita LJL <laura6307@...> wrote: That sounds like seizure activity to me. (LJL) > > Are you saying that ALL forms of autism are accompanied or caused by some level of encephalitis which was inevitably caused by vaccines? Reason I ask is because my son Henry was such a peaceful child with none of the symptoms on your list below. I always thought of his autism as a gut/brain issue never considering actual brain inflamation. One of the weird things I did notice before autism reared it's ugly head was he would be perfectly awake and then fall into a lifeless sleep within a second. I remember the first time this happened while holding him and talking to my sister. I became frightened and tried to wake him up to make sure he was ok. It didn't happen often but when it did, I was disturbed by it. > > Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 I wanted to ask about this because my daughter's MRI came out negative for structural abnormalities or inflammation. She did regress significantly when we gave her the shots she got but, was born with a * of suceptability. She was also overnight in the hosp. for 24 hour EEG and everything looked fine there as well. She had also been GF/CF,corn & sugar free for over 3 months before these tests were done. She has healed and has learned so much since then. But, I do at times see dark circles under her eyes. Thanks to anyone that can respond. Jenn Lessard Re: Circles Under The Eyes > That sounds like seizure activity to me. (LJL) > > > > > > Are you saying that ALL forms of autism are accompanied or caused by > some level of encephalitis which was inevitably caused by vaccines? > Reason I ask is because my son Henry was such a peaceful child with > none of the symptoms on your list below. I always thought of his > autism as a gut/brain issue never considering actual brain > inflamation. One of the weird things I did notice before autism reared > it's ugly head was he would be perfectly awake and then fall into a > lifeless sleep within a second. I remember the first time this > happened while holding him and talking to my sister. I became > frightened and tried to wake him up to make sure he was ok. It didn't > happen often but when it did, I was disturbed by it. > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Anita, every time I look at the birth footage of my first (with autism) and hear myself telling them to give him the Hep B shot, I cry inside as well. My son is now 7.5 and is mainstreamed without an aide. He gets tutoring and speech, and that is it. Your pain is completely understandable, but you will be strong for your child and move forward. Some decisions can never be undone, and vaccinations are one of many things I did wrong with my first. You are not alone. > > Thank you Sheri for putting things back into perspective for me. I try so hard to move forward and not to look back; the pain is unbearable and restarts the grieving process. I try to imagine what autism is like and feel like I'm being buried alive. When I do finally get homeopathic help, the homeopath is going to have one heck of time with my emotional symptom picture. > > Thankfully, Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2005 Report Share Posted November 12, 2005 Thanks for you thoughtful words. I know progress can happen out of the blue and in big steps. It's just that at 4 1/2, he is so severely delayed in so many areas, it is hard to see a good prognosis. Though he is moving forward, the gap seems to be widening as he ages. I am thankful that he is strong and appears to be healthy, all things considered. Appreciatively, Anita LJL <laura6307@...> wrote: Anita, every time I look at the birth footage of my first (with autism) and hear myself telling them to give him the Hep B shot, I cry inside as well. My son is now 7.5 and is mainstreamed without an aide. He gets tutoring and speech, and that is it. Your pain is completely understandable, but you will be strong for your child and move forward. Some decisions can never be undone, and vaccinations are one of many things I did wrong with my first. You are not alone. > > Thank you Sheri for putting things back into perspective for me. I try so hard to move forward and not to look back; the pain is unbearable and restarts the grieving process. I try to imagine what autism is like and feel like I'm being buried alive. When I do finally get homeopathic help, the homeopath is going to have one heck of time with my emotional symptom picture. > > Thankfully, Anita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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