Re: *Important All : Natural supp versions of Cholesterm...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/12/2006 16:41:55 GMT Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

Hi CS,

Dr. Marinkovich is treating me for mold and his alternative is agar agar. He

says it binds almost as well as Cholestyramine. I don't know this for sure

as I haven't started it yet, but he says it's way better on your gut being a

seaweed.

****Thanks.

Can you but this as supplement?

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/12/2006 16:41:55 GMT Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

Hi CS,

Dr. Marinkovich is treating me for mold and his alternative is agar agar. He

says it binds almost as well as Cholestyramine. I don't know this for sure

as I haven't started it yet, but he says it's way better on your gut being a

seaweed.

****Im personally trying a combination of Lecithin and Chlorella.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/12/2006 18:11:27 GMT Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

Where did you hear of this combo. Can I read about it? Thanks.

***I have spent almost 2 years cleansing all my detox organs before

approaching my fatty liver.

Lecithin will emulsify the stagnant cholesterol in the liver and taking

Chlorelal is binding all the toxins as the choesterol is being emulsified.

I have noticed VERY good results in my cognitive function.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Where did you hear of this combo. Can I read about it? Thanks.

bhammanuk@... wrote:

In a message dated 03/12/2006 16:41:55 GMT Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

Hi CS,

Dr. Marinkovich is treating me for mold and his alternative is agar agar. He

says it binds almost as well as Cholestyramine. I don't know this for sure

as I haven't started it yet, but he says it's way better on your gut being a

seaweed.

****Im personally trying a combination of Lecithin and Chlorella.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

A search for agar and mycotoxins reveals LOTS about agar being used (in

various petri dishes, etc) to GROW mold and produce mycotoxins, but nothing

that I have been able to find on a use for binding mycotoxins.

OTOH, I do know that Dr. Shoemaker sometimes uses another drug called

" Welchol " to treat people who don't tolerate cholestyramine well.

And also activated charcoal does some similar things, but it's nowhere near

as effective..

The European Mycotoxin Awareness Network has some great fact sheets at

http://193.132.193.215/eman2/factsheet.asp

that list the various binders that can be used to bind mycotoxins in

(animal) food.

When looking at dosages, etc, bear in mind that the inhalational route, by

all indications, is worse, i.e. more toxic, than ingestion, despite what

some would have you believe.

Thats the way it is in animals, and there is NO reason to think that humans

are somehow blessed by immunity to inhaled mycotoxins...

Also, animals can't talk, and laboratory animals are not in the same kind of

stress that wild animals or people - are under.. (they don't have to worry

about being eaten, losing their jobs, homes, etc. at all times..)

(The official line out of Washington these days is that inhaled mycotoxins

are harmless!)

[Guest guest]

how much chlorella and lecithin are u taking?

tnx

louella

bhammanuk@... wrote:

In a message dated 03/12/2006 18:11:27 GMT Standard Time,

edyrayfield@... writes:

Where did you hear of this combo. Can I read about it? Thanks.

***I have spent almost 2 years cleansing all my detox organs before

approaching my fatty liver.

Lecithin will emulsify the stagnant cholesterol in the liver and taking

Chlorelal is binding all the toxins as the choesterol is being emulsified.

I have noticed VERY good results in my cognitive function.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/12/2006 22:36:53 GMT Standard Time,

lmonrovia@... writes:

how much chlorella and lecithin are u taking?

tnx

louella

********Im taking around 2 grams of lecithin a day alongside 1 grams of

Chlorella and using Turmeric in my foods also.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Neither chorella or lechithin bind mycotoxins.

Activated charcoal is the only OTC mycotoxin-binder that I am aware of.

Cholestyramine is much more effective than activated charcoal too. Its worth

trying, if you are

really curious if mycotoxins in enterhepatic recirculation are responsible

for any of your health issues.

People often confuse biotoxin binding with chelation, because they sound

like they do similar things, but

the substances involved are completely different.

Chorella, to the best of my knowledge, won't do anything to help

mycotoxicosis.

OTOH, its a good supplement to take for other reasons. Tumeric is different,

because of its neuroprotective

abilities. But it is coming at the problem from a completely different

angle.

Cholestyramine is really an eye-opener.

On 12/4/06, bhammanuk@... <bhammanuk@...> wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 03/12/2006 22:36:53 GMT Standard Time,

> lmonrovia@... <lmonrovia%40> writes:

>

> how much chlorella and lecithin are u taking?

> tnx

> louella

>

> ********Im taking around 2 grams of lecithin a day alongside 1 grams of

> Chlorella and using Turmeric in my foods also.

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> Neither chorella or lechithin bind mycotoxins.

> Activated charcoal is the only OTC mycotoxin-binder that I am

aware of.

>

> Cholestyramine is much more effective than activated charcoal too.

Its worth trying, if you are really curious if mycotoxins in

enterhepatic recirculation are responsible for any of your health

issues.

>

> People often confuse biotoxin binding with chelation, because they

sound like they do similar things, but the substances involved are

completely different.

> Cholestyramine is really an eye-opener.

>

Yes, and Dr Marinkovich's prescription of agar is an indication

that he might not understand the mechanism involved in the long

chain polystyrene - electrostatic charge of CSM that confers its

special ionophore toxin binding qualities.

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(Old message from before they kicked me out for being an

arrogant " know-it-all " )

Re: Advice: Mold Lifestyling is a Balancing Act- Part 2

Message List Mar 19 2006

Reply | Forward Message #36434 of 46026 < Prev | Next >

Mold Lifestyling is a Balancing Act where Scales are tipped

Dr Shoemaker explains this most eloquently in Desperation Medicine.

It is the " Dissociation Constant " of toxin release from receptors.

This is not solely a question of toxic dose from exposure to toxins

outside the body. Biotoxin illness is mediated by whether sufficient

upregulation occurs to disturb the equilibrium of the ion gradient

that keeps the ionophore toxins bound to their receptors in the fat

cells in a " molecular bear trap " .

This is a process that can be visualized by thinking of osmosis,

except that instead of water molecules responding to disparity of

solute concentrations, dissociation of toxins is based on

electrostatic principles of attraction.

CSM can soak up enough recirculating toxins to cause " dissociation " :

The sudden release of endogenous toxins causes an inflammatory

cascade

which increases the level of cytokines so dramatically that

the " intensification " reaction can be more damaging than an exposure

to a toxic building. If someone with the double dreaded mold gene

goes

through this " intensification " , they have the most extreme form of

metabolic inadequacy to clear these recirculating toxins.

This really throws people off the track, because they suffer even

more intensely just when the " allergy " model of illness says they

should be improving.

Surviving the " Herx " (It's not really a tradition Herx, but the word

works anyway) is absolutely brutal, but Dr. Shoemaker has worked out

ways to dampen down the upregulation with Pioglitazone. I haven't

tried this myself, but I like the fact that Dr Shoemaker is proposing

an incredibly logical explanation for all the sensations I have

experienced. And others HAVE benefitted by this protocol.

To understand what separates the fundamental mechanism of biotoxin

mediated responses that are " upstream " of genetic HLA variables, you

must read " Solving the Herxheimer " in Desperation Medicine.

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[Guest guest]

Thank you livesimply and . What I don't know is a lot and obviously Dr. M

either.

Re: *Important All : Natural supp versions of

Cholesterm...

A search for agar and mycotoxins reveals LOTS about agar being used (in

various petri dishes, etc) to GROW mold and produce mycotoxins, but nothing

that I have been able to find on a use for binding mycotoxins.

OTOH, I do know that Dr. Shoemaker sometimes uses another drug called

" Welchol " to treat people who don't tolerate cholestyramine well.

And also activated charcoal does some similar things, but it's nowhere near

as effective..

The European Mycotoxin Awareness Network has some great fact sheets at

http://193.132.193.215/eman2/factsheet.asp

that list the various binders that can be used to bind mycotoxins in

(animal) food.

When looking at dosages, etc, bear in mind that the inhalational route, by

all indications, is worse, i.e. more toxic, than ingestion, despite what

some would have you believe.

Thats the way it is in animals, and there is NO reason to think that humans

are somehow blessed by immunity to inhaled mycotoxins...

Also, animals can't talk, and laboratory animals are not in the same kind of

stress that wild animals or people - are under.. (they don't have to worry

about being eaten, losing their jobs, homes, etc. at all times..)

(The official line out of Washington these days is that inhaled mycotoxins

are harmless!)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/12/2006 22:12:53 GMT Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

A search for agar and mycotoxins reveals LOTS about agar being used (in

various petri dishes, etc) to GROW mold and produce mycotoxins, but nothing

that I have been able to find on a use for binding mycotoxins.

OTOH, I do know that Dr. Shoemaker sometimes uses another drug called

" Welchol " to treat people who don't tolerate cholestyramine well.

And also activated charcoal does some similar things, but it's nowhere near

as effective..

The European Mycotoxin Awareness Network has some great fact sheets at

_http://193.132.http://193.132http://193htt_

(http://193.132.193.215/eman2/factsheet.asp)

that list the various binders that can be used to bind mycotoxins in

(animal) food.

When looking at dosages, etc, bear in mind that the inhalational route, by

all indications, is worse, i.e. more toxic, than ingestion, despite what

some would have you believe.

Thats the way it is in animals, and there is NO reason to think that humans

are somehow blessed by immunity to inhaled mycotoxins..a

Also, animals can't talk, and laboratory animals are not in the same kind of

stress that wild animals or people - are under.. (they don't have to worry

about being eaten, losing their jobs, homes, etc. at all times..)

(The official line out of Washington these days is that inhaled mycotoxins

are harmless!)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

******Thanks for your responses - this a totally new area for me.

where do mycotoxins come from?

are we genetically weak at excreting these toxins/

what protocol do you follow yourself?

So what in your opinion are the natural best alternatives to cholesteramine

ie just charcoal or are there others to consider and why ???

Im concentrating my efforts on these areas :

1) Fatty liver

2) Bile flow

3) Binding toxins / mycotoxins in enterhepatic recirculation

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/12/2006 22:12:53 GMT Standard Time,

quackadillian@... writes:

A search for agar and mycotoxins reveals LOTS about agar being used (in

various petri dishes, etc) to GROW mold and produce mycotoxins, but nothing

that I have been able to find on a use for binding mycotoxins.

OTOH, I do know that Dr. Shoemaker sometimes uses another drug called

" Welchol " to treat people who don't tolerate cholestyramine well.

And also activated charcoal does some similar things, but it's nowhere near

as effective..

The European Mycotoxin Awareness Network has some great fact sheets at

_http://193.132.http://193.132http://193htt_

(http://193.132.193.215/eman2/factsheet.asp)

that list the various binders that can be used to bind mycotoxins in

(animal) food.

When looking at dosages, etc, bear in mind that the inhalational route, by

all indications, is worse, i.e. more toxic, than ingestion, despite what

some would have you believe.

Thats the way it is in animals, and there is NO reason to think that humans

are somehow blessed by immunity to inhaled mycotoxins..a

Also, animals can't talk, and laboratory animals are not in the same kind of

stress that wild animals or people - are under.. (they don't have to worry

about being eaten, losing their jobs, homes, etc. at all times..)

(The official line out of Washington these days is that inhaled mycotoxins

are harmless!)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

******What are your thoughts on Pectin or Probiotics with added Pectin used

for binding toxins?

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

I think that you should try to talk with Dr. Shoemaker about cholestyramine

and mold-related medical issues if you can.

He is clearly in a class by himself as far as this stuff. The kinds of

things I write are just guesses, and I have no medical background at all,

just someone who had the misfortune to get slammed by mold for a long time

who was also able to do some searching on the Net. (most aren't so lucky)

BTW, I agree with everything I remember saying about this stuff, except

perhaps I don't know if he realizes how hard it is for city dwellers who are

sick and unemployed to 'just move' -

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LiveSimply <quackadillian@...> wrote:

> BTW, I agree with everything I remember saying about this

stuff, except perhaps I don't know if he realizes how hard it is for

city dwellers who are sick and unemployed to 'just move' -

>

LiveSimply,

Consider being sick and unemployed in the mountains with four feet

of snow and it is fifteen degrees outside? Yet, I can't complain.

I was very lucky because I had always known that I needed a " plan

B " and had already made a backup escape strategy, which - as you

know - is an RV. And when I recovered, I could go back to work,

part time.

So now I tell others that it behooves them to prepare early, while

you still can, and if you can - as I did.

If you can't, as you know, nobody will save you.

No matter what your difficulties, biotoxin illness doesn't care and

it has no mercy whatsoever.

If you cannot move and interventions have failed to alter the

illness progression - one can expect the illness to inexorably

progress to inevitable doom.

Only by making a " wild leap " do you have a chance to escape before

it is too late - if this is your manner of illness.

And remember when I was trying to pursuade you to make the jump

earlier than later, because the sicker you get, the fewer resources,

less health, and even fewer options remain - as you are now so

reactive that most places are unbearable?

Despite all the difficulty involved, you can see now that you had

absolutely no choice in the matter, and it would have been far

better to do what needed to be done sooner than later.

And now I see that you are in the same frustrating position of

trying to warn others in time to keep them from becoming like you,

and finding just as I did, that they simply cannot believe that the

choice is not under their control.

Because once you cross the threshold, there's no going back.

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Subject: Anyone else itch underneath their skin/gums...)

Message List May 29 2006

Message #39319 < Prev < Prev | Next > Next >

LiveSimply,

After all of our warnings - you are really pushing it to the limit.

Why aren't our harrowing tales compelling enough to scare you out of

doing this?

Don't you know what we would give to have the chance to do it all

over again, only this time - to have a survivor warn us in time?

You are squandering a chance we never had.

Once you cross the threshold - there's no going back.

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