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>>>Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of Myalgic

Encephalomyelitis?<<<<

Yes. But, as always, I don't know if that means for every patient.

>>>>I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information about taking

Immunovir with success.<<<<

My present dose is 3 tablets twice a day, and skip week-ends.

Katrina

>

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of Myalgic

Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information about taking

Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

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yes, he is, and I was on it almost a year, but due to the expense I

recently went on the substitute that was posted here long here

instead of ordering more Imunovir. Now I've been sick five days with

a virus, so maybe that substitute doesn't work so well, or maybe it's

just a coincidence, who knows.

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

about taking Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

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Steve, my husband had gout. It's no joke. Must be some way to get levels down?

Thanks for the info. How long a trial is needed, do you think?

Adrienne

Re: Re: Cheney & Immunovir

Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results. I used

to drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now get it mail order

from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500 mg. pills M,W,F, and one on

T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the dose Cheney recommended but I find it

just as effective. I'm going to give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll

order in powder form from beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch

back if it isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from Mexico I

recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so no problems with

border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as it's not on their list of

meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high before I even began the Iso; I don't

have levels checked as uric acid is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my

levels are high. I figure if they get too

too high I'll develop gout but don't think this low dose of Iso should be a

problem. Good luck, Steve B.

helen9jora <helenjora@...> wrote: yes, he is, and I was on it

almost a year, but due to the expense I

recently went on the substitute that was posted here long here

instead of ordering more Imunovir. Now I've been sick five days with

a virus, so maybe that substitute doesn't work so well, or maybe it's

just a coincidence, who knows.

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

about taking Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

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thanks, will check it out

> >

> > Hello,

> > Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects

of

> Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> > Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> > I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

> about taking Immunovir with success.

> > Du Pre

> > Poetry website:

http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> > " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> > Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

> http://www.name-us.org

> >

> >

> >

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Is Immunovir for Th1/Th2 dysregulation?

Thanks,

chris

>

> Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results.

I used to drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now

get it mail order from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500

mg. pills M,W,F, and one on T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the

dose Cheney recommended but I find it just as effective. I'm going to

give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll order in powder form from

beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch back if it

isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from

Mexico I recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so

no problems with border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as

it's not on their list of meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high

before I even began the Iso; I don't have levels checked as uric acid

is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my levels are high. I

figure if they get too

> too high I'll develop gout but don't think this low dose of Iso

should be a problem. Good luck, Steve B.

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Gout answers here http://arthritis.about.com/od/gout/ht/treatgout.htm

Lee

Re: Re: Cheney & Immunovir

Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results. I used to

drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now get it mail order

from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500 mg. pills M,W,F, and one on

T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the dose Cheney recommended but I find it

just as effective. I'm going to give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll

order in powder form from beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch

back if it isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from Mexico I

recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so no problems with

border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as it's not on their list of

meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high before I even began the Iso; I don't

have levels checked as uric acid is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my

levels are high. I figure if they get too

helen9jora <helenjora@...> wrote: yes, he is, and I was on it almost a

year, but due to the expense I

recently went on the substitute that was posted here long here

instead of ordering more Imunovir. Now I've been sick five days with

a virus, so maybe that substitute doesn't work so well, or maybe it's

just a coincidence, who knows.

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

about taking Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

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Steve,

Great information on the Immunovir. I was thinking of ordering from Beyond a

Century also.

I'll be interested to hear your view of whether it is comparable or not. It

might be even better

since you would be taking it in a powder or capsule form rather than the tablet.

By the way, I understand that vegetable capsules are better to use than gelatin

as far as

bioavailability and absorption. You can get those from Solaray.

Du Pre

Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

Steve Bullock wrote:

Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results. I used to

drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now get it mail order

from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500 mg. pills M,W,F, and one on

T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the dose Cheney recommended but I find it

just as effective. I'm going to give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll

order in powder form from beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch

back if it isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from Mexico I

recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so no problems with

border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as it's not on their list of

meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high before I even began the Iso; I don't

have levels checked as uric acid is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my

levels are high. I figure if they get too

too high I'll develop gout but don't think this low dose of Iso should be a

problem. Good luck, Steve B.

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I would give Isoprinosine a 2 month trial. I'm going to mix my PABA/Inosine

powders with water along with all the other powders I take so no need for

gelatin capsules. Steve B.

ona <tlukasiewicz@...> wrote:

Gout answers here http://arthritis.about.com/od/gout/ht/treatgout.htm

Lee

Re: Re: Cheney & Immunovir

Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results. I used to

drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now get it mail order

from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500 mg. pills M,W,F, and one on

T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the dose Cheney recommended but I find it

just as effective. I'm going to give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll

order in powder form from beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch

back if it isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from Mexico I

recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so no problems with

border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as it's not on their list of

meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high before I even began the Iso; I don't

have levels checked as uric acid is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my

levels are high. I figure if they get too

helen9jora <helenjora@...> wrote: yes, he is, and I was on it almost a

year, but due to the expense I

recently went on the substitute that was posted here long here

instead of ordering more Imunovir. Now I've been sick five days with

a virus, so maybe that substitute doesn't work so well, or maybe it's

just a coincidence, who knows.

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

about taking Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

>

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I think Cheney uses it to modulate immune system; this may help shift one

towards more normal TH1, 2 direction but I really don't know. Just know in my

case and in many others it is a very beneficial med. Steve B.

cmdrexel2008 <cmessina@...> wrote: Is Immunovir for Th1/Th2

dysregulation?

Thanks,

chris

>

> Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results.

I used to drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now

get it mail order from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500

mg. pills M,W,F, and one on T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the

dose Cheney recommended but I find it just as effective. I'm going to

give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll order in powder form from

beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch back if it

isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from

Mexico I recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so

no problems with border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as

it's not on their list of meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high

before I even began the Iso; I don't have levels checked as uric acid

is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my levels are high. I

figure if they get too

> too high I'll develop gout but don't think this low dose of Iso

should be a problem. Good luck, Steve B.

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Adrienne, I think the benefits of high (not super high) uric acid levels

outweigh potential downside as long as one does not have gout. I think above

average uric acid levels are common in CFS and may be one of the protective

mechanisms (antioxidant properties of uric acid). Steve

" Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote: Steve, my husband had

gout. It's no joke. Must be some way to get levels down?

Thanks for the info. How long a trial is needed, do you think?

Adrienne

Re: Re: Cheney & Immunovir

Have been taking Immunovir/Isoprinosine for years with good results. I used to

drive over Tijuana border to buy for 50 cents/pill but now get it mail order

from Mexico for $1.00 a pill. I only take three 500 mg. pills M,W,F, and one on

T, TH, none on weekends. This is half the dose Cheney recommended but I find it

just as effective. I'm going to give a trial of Inosine and PABA which I'll

order in powder form from beyond-a-century to save money but will quickly switch

back if it isn't as effective. Isoprinosine is supposedly made of these two

ingredients available w/o script. PS: If you want to order from Mexico I

recommend pharmacymex.com as they ship from San Diego area so no problems with

border issues. You have to request it in e-mail as it's not on their list of

meds. PS: My uric acid levels were high before I even began the Iso; I don't

have levels checked as uric acid is a powerful antioxidant and don't mind if my

levels are high. I figure if they get too

too high I'll develop gout but don't think this low dose of Iso should be a

problem. Good luck, Steve B.

helen9jora <helenjora@...> wrote: yes, he is, and I was on it almost a

year, but due to the expense I

recently went on the substitute that was posted here long here

instead of ordering more Imunovir. Now I've been sick five days with

a virus, so maybe that substitute doesn't work so well, or maybe it's

just a coincidence, who knows.

>

> Hello,

> Is Cheney still recommending Immunovir to deal with the effects of

Myalgic Encephalomyelitis?

> Also, is it necessary to get your uric acid tested periodically?

> I was also wondering if anybody could give me more information

about taking Immunovir with success.

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

>

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Thanks. My NK cell activity test showed extremely low activity, and I

have had bad allergies for the past many years, which both point to

chronic Th2 activation.

thanks,

chris

>

> I think Cheney uses it to modulate immune system; this may help

shift one towards more normal TH1, 2 direction but I really don't

know. Just know in my case and in many others it is a very beneficial

med. Steve B.

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> > I think Cheney uses it to modulate immune system; this may help

> shift one towards more normal TH1, 2 direction but I really don't

> know. Just know in my case and in many others it is a very beneficial

> med. Steve B.

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This is from http://www.anapsid.org/cnd/diagnosis/cheneyis.html

2) Isoprinosine (published, prescription) Published for use in CFIDS,

this anti-viral enhances NK function. Dr. Cheney believes it would

also be good against intracellular bacteria since it is a Th2 - Th1

shifter. It appears to raise IL-12 and lower IL-10, which turns off

Th2 and turns on Th1.

It is also called Imunovir and is very nontoxic, very safe. It has

been approved in Europe and Canada for just about any viral infection

for 18 years. It is not approved in the US (for political reasons not

safety concerns) but is easy to get from Ireland with a prescription.

Week one, take 6 tablets a day, Monday through Friday, and none on the

weekend. Week two, take 2 tablets a day, Monday through Friday, and

none on the weekend. Repeat this cycle. But do not treat every month.

Do two months on and then one month off of this " pulsing " dose. This

medicine works best when you do not treat regularly. If you treat

continuously at the same dose, it stops working. It is an immune

modulator, and Dr. Cheney suspects all immuno-modulators are like

this. If taken continuously they stop working. The dose must vary so

the immune system never knows what to expect.

> >Dear ,

>

> Would you, please, indicate in what symptoms or ways, you have improved

> with Immunovir? Also, I got an error message with the website, you

> indicated..is it correct?

>

> TIA,

> Amelia

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Amelia,

Can't point to any long-term improvement from Immunovir/Isoprinosine. I just

notice that symptoms are reduced during the 2 of every 3 month period I take it.

The other post indicating pulsed doses was correct. I have heard of many

different ways of changing the dosing to help prevent building a resistance. I

have not built a tolerance with the 3,1,3,1,3,0,0 pill dosing and I've been

taking it for 6 or 7 years I think. I took 6,3,6,3,6,0,0 the first few years

but found it just as effective at lower doses in my case. I placed an order

about 6 weeks ago with www.pharmacymex.com and hope they are still in business.

Steve B.

lifelonglearner79 <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote:

> >

> > I think Cheney uses it to modulate immune system; this may help

> shift one towards more normal TH1, 2 direction but I really don't

> know. Just know in my case and in many others it is a very beneficial

> med. Steve B.

>

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Not sure, but when in doubt, take on empty stomach?? I'm starting the

Inosine/PABA soon, and will keep the board updated.

-chris

>

> Hello,

> Just one more question regarding the Immunovir: is it taken with

meals or on empty stomach?

> Thanks,

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

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,

I checked the box and it does not say. I have taken it either way with no

noticeable problems. Just my experience.

TC,

Katrina

>

> Hello,

> Just one more question regarding the Immunovir: is it taken with meals or on

empty stomach?

> Thanks,

> Du Pre

> Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

> " By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

> Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

>

>

>

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I don't notice any difference between taking with meals or empty stomach. Steve

B.

Du Pre <isaiah40@...> wrote: Hello,

Just one more question regarding the Immunovir: is it taken with meals or on

empty stomach?

Thanks,

Du Pre

Poetry website: http://www.angelfire.com/poetry/soareagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

Website for National Alliance for Myalgic Encephalomyelitis:

http://www.name-us.org

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