Re: Re: Kirkmans Magnesium Cream

[Guest guest]

If you are CBS upregulated you can only use this product in LIMITED doses.

Janet

lowcreoch <campbells53@...> wrote:

Hi Rosie, and ,

Sorry you are having problems with the Mg cream. Just a thought, how

much is in a scoop?

Just that Cheney seemed to be saying on the DVDs that he is finding

really small amounts of the cream are beneficial but you need to use

it every 1-2 hours I think, so would it be worth trying quite a bit

less and then try to increase the number of doses?

We've just ordered the cream too so I'll let you know how we get on.

BW,

Sheila

> Hi all,

>

> I have been using the Kirkman Magnesium Cream as per the Cheney DVD's

> for over a week now and am finding that whilst it really makes me sleep

> more - over-sleep almost, I am also getting headaches and painful

> glands. Has anyone else had this and could it be indicative of a

> positive or negative response? I am generally very intolerant of

> magnesium supplememnts, other than in its' dilute form as part of

> Concentrace, and am only using one scoop per day rubbed into my skin

> just after my early evening bath.

>

> Any comments most appreciated.

>

> Rosie

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> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila,

One scoop seems to be equal to 1 gram I think, and that's 100mg of Epsom

Salts. On the jar it says it can be used at that quantity 4 times a

day, but I suppose that's not necessarily directed at pwme. I'll reduce

the amount considerably for a single dose and then work up to multiple

doses if I can tolerate it.

Rosie

Hi Rosie, and ,

Sorry you are having problems with the Mg cream. Just a thought, how

much is in a scoop?

Just that Cheney seemed to be saying on the DVDs that he is finding

really small amounts of the cream are beneficial but you need to use

it every 1-2 hours I think, so would it be worth trying quite a bit

less and then try to increase the number of doses?

We've just ordered the cream too so I'll let you know how we get on.

BW,

Sheila

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[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

This sounds interesting as it may explain why I'm having probs..but can

you tell me what CBS is? Apologies for being thick!

Rosie

If you are CBS upregulated you can only use this product in LIMITED

doses.

Janet

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[Guest guest]

Hi mjh,

Sorry I wasn't clear; 1 scoop is a gram, and within that gram is 100mg

of the active magnesium sulphate. The rest is presumably the cream

itself.

Rosie

Rosia

1 gram = 1,000 mg.

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Hi Sheila,

One scoop seems to be equal to 1 gram I think, and that's 100mg of Epsom

Salts. On the jar it says it can be used at that quantity 4 times a

day, but I suppose that's not necessarily directed at pwme. I'll reduce

the amount considerably for a single dose and then work up to multiple

doses if I can tolerate it.

Rosie

[Guest guest]

I have been trying the Epsom Salt baths too on and off. I similarly

can't cope with them - they make me 'strung up' and weary all at the

same time.

Rosie

Hi mjh,

I agree doesn't make sense.It is epsom salt baths that I have trouble

with, even 1/4 cup in bathful of water. My doc suggested it might be

because my liver is not working right.

BW,

Sheila

[Guest guest]

Hi Katrina -

I had a small blue measured scoop delivered with my jar.

Rosie

In case we haven't noticed, many things don't make sense with us. I can

tolerate Epsom salts, MG sulphate cream, Taurine, Immunopro, and SAM-e,

but not MSM, or much tumeric or as much garlic as in the past. Other

foods...it varies. It will not surprise me if it continues to vary.

About Kirkman's cream, the woman there told me it has more sulphate than

Mg...don't know if that's right.

Also, I missed what you are calling a " scoop " . Dr. Cheney said a

teaspoon and I think I use a little less than that.

Katrina

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

Would a very low (and therefore well-working) homocysteine level be a

marker for at least part of what you have described? When taken in 2003

my homocysteine level was 5.9 - so pretty healthy, but have mega trouble

with all versions of magnesium (other than - as I mentioned before - the

tiny amount in Concentrace which does seem to have a calming effect).

Rosie

Hi Sheila and Rosie

Being CBS up-regulated would mean that your methylation cycle products

are being " drained "

down the trans-sulphation path i.e. homocysteine is being rapidly

converted cystathionine

and then to sulphur-containing compounds. Yasko says that if you're CBS

up-regulated

*and* your methylation cycle is working properly, you'll probably have

too much sulphur in

your body. I think the key is the " and " - if the methylation cycle isn't

working ok, you

may be ok with sulphur. I don't have any problems with sulphur

containing foods or MgSO4

injections and I'm CBS up-regulated. I haven't yet started supplementing

the methylation

cycle.

Sue

lowcreoch wrote:

> Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

[Guest guest]

Ps. What are the main foods one might wish to monitor in terms of

sulphur probs? I don't have too many probs with foods, and can tolerate

a very small amount of organic white wine/champagne, but not red wine or

most spirits.

Rosie

Hi Sheila and Rosie

Being CBS up-regulated would mean that your methylation cycle products

are being " drained "

down the trans-sulphation path i.e. homocysteine is being rapidly

converted cystathionine

and then to sulphur-containing compounds. Yasko says that if you're CBS

up-regulated

*and* your methylation cycle is working properly, you'll probably have

too much sulphur in

your body. I think the key is the " and " - if the methylation cycle isn't

working ok, you

may be ok with sulphur. I don't have any problems with sulphur

containing foods or MgSO4

injections and I'm CBS up-regulated. I haven't yet started supplementing

the methylation

cycle.

Sue

lowcreoch wrote:

> Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

[Guest guest]

If you continue to use sulfur products, you put a strain on the pathway and only

make yourself worse. I used to eat tons of broccoli and never felt any problem

with it. It has hugh amounts of sulfur. Come to find out I do have a CBS

upregulation and also a SUOX problem. (I cannot tolerate wine at all.) SUOX

equals a problem with sulfites.

So if your body is telling you no about a certain product, best to pay

attention. Even some that aren't good for you, you might never know, unless you

do some genetic testing..

Janet

Tensevern <tensevern@...> wrote:

Hi Sheila and Rosie

Being CBS up-regulated would mean that your methylation cycle products are being

" drained "

down the trans-sulphation path i.e. homocysteine is being rapidly converted

cystathionine

and then to sulphur-containing compounds. Yasko says that if you're CBS

up-regulated

*and* your methylation cycle is working properly, you'll probably have too much

sulphur in

your body. I think the key is the " and " - if the methylation cycle isn't working

ok, you

may be ok with sulphur. I don't have any problems with sulphur containing foods

or MgSO4

injections and I'm CBS up-regulated. I haven't yet started supplementing the

methylation

cycle.

Sue

lowcreoch wrote:

> Yes, can I be thick here too, do you mean that if someone has a CBS

> upregulation they can't tolerate epsom salts? Would that explain why I

> can't manage epsom salt baths? Yet I can tolerate sulphur foods and

> taurine, and MSM etc no problem.

[Guest guest]

Rich told me that doing epson salt baths with the magnesium sulfate will not

absorb the same way nor affect someone with Sulphur problems such as I have.

So do not worry about doing the baths if you are CBS upregulated.

Before Genetic testing I did not realize I had a sulphur problem. Seemed

like I could handle it, or a certain amount of it. Now I do my best to avoid all

sulphur products in food or supplements.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

How long have you been doing that and are you seeing improvement?

Have you had yr ammonia tested?

Thanks,

Adrienne

Re: Re: Kirkmans Magnesium Cream

Rich told me that doing epson salt baths with the magnesium sulfate will not

absorb the same way nor affect someone with Sulphur problems such as I have.

So do not worry about doing the baths if you are CBS upregulated.

Before Genetic testing I did not realize I had a sulphur problem. Seemed

like I could handle it, or a certain amount of it. Now I do my best to avoid

all

sulphur products in food or supplements.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the list,

Rosie

*

Obviously the body needs some sulphur so moderation is the key, but

high sulphur foods/supplements include:

Eggs especially the yolk

broccoli and other cruciferous veg

garlic and onions (less sulphur when sauteed)

Preserved fruit, potato products etc

grapes (usually sprayed with sulphur during cultivation)

wine

coconut oil, milk and juice

milk thistle

NAC

SAMe

taurine

glutathione

ALA

(all sulphites and sulphates)

I'm sure someone will add what I've missed.

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Although I think Dr. Amy says CBS people should avoid epsom salts.

Trina

Cbuf1920@... wrote:

Rich told me that doing epson salt baths with the magnesium sulfate

will not

absorb the same way nor affect someone with Sulphur problems such as I have.

So do not worry about doing the baths if you are CBS upregulated.

Before Genetic testing I did not realize I had a sulphur problem. Seemed

like I could handle it, or a certain amount of it. Now I do my best to avoid all

sulphur products in food or supplements.