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Wendi and Sheila

I either harvest my own Hawthorne berries or get them dried from

_www.ameriherb.com_ (http://www.ameriherb.com) .

Then, I slow brew a tea from them by the quart/hald gallon and enjoy 1/2 cup

twice a day.

This was my cardiologist's preferred method, by the way.

mjh

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I don't know which brand Cheney recommends, but I take solid extract from

Wise Woman Herbals. It is in a honey base and is owe so yummy. I like to take

things out of the pill, as I believe digestion starts in the mouth. Good stuff!

-Wendi

Cheney and hawthorn

Hi All,

Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

berries, don't know why.

Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

Thanks in anticipation.

BW,

Sheila

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Rosie

I'll save you the archive search.

Make a supersaturated solution of Epsom salt...... ie, dissolve Mg SO4 in

just a bit of boiling water. Then, when dissolved, add the solution to your

favorite skin cream. Mix it in well.

You can do the same with Mg Chloride from a product like Magna Vida that I

get on ebay

mjh

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_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

I have tried all the usual mag products and the injections as you know

and can’t get on with them, but was hoping that the cream base could be

a gentler way to go I’ll also search the data base on this list for

mjh’s recipe. Nothing like getting back to basics.

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Very Many thanks mjh. I already have Epsom Salts in the house so that's

pretty easy to do!

BW

Rosie

Rosie

I'll save you the archive search.

Make a supersaturated solution of Epsom salt...... ie, dissolve Mg SO4

in

just a bit of boiling water. Then, when dissolved, add the solution to

your

favorite skin cream. Mix it in well.

You can do the same with Mg Chloride from a product like Magna Vida that

I

get on ebay

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_> us/FireBasil/_

(http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/> us/FireBasil/)

I have tried all the usual mag products and the injections as you know

and can't get on with them, but was hoping that the cream base could be

a gentler way to go I'll also search the data base on this list for

mjh's recipe. Nothing like getting back to basics.

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> >

> >

> > Ah ha, Sheila,

> >

> > You've now watched the DVD haven't you ? :-) It was very good.

> > I'm also wondering about that, and also whether it is possible to

get

> > the Kirkman Laboratory Magnesium Paste which he refers to in the

UK?

> > Can't seem to find it at Nutricentre.

> >

> > Rosie

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at

what

> > dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not

the

> > berries, don't know why.

> >

> > Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

> >

> > Thanks in anticipation.

> >

> > BW,

> >

> > Sheila

> >

> >

> >

> >

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you must refrigerate it, yes? Do you reheat it? Do you feel anything when you

have drunk some?

Adrienne

Cheney and hawthorn

Hi All,

Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

berries, don't know why.

Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

Thanks in anticipation.

BW,

Sheila

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Hi Sheila,

Dr. Cheney recommends MediHerb Hawthorn. Correct...not the berries. It's #

M1330.

Dosage for me...I've slacked off and don't have notes in hand, but it's several

a day.

Katrina

>

> Hi All,

>

> Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

> dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

> berries, don't know why.

>

> Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

>

> Thanks in anticipation.

>

> BW,

>

> Sheila

>

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Just googled that info and the only place I could find " flowering tops " instead

of berries was the producer's (Standard Process) site itself. And they also mfr

one that is berries.

FWIW

Adrienne

Re: Cheney and hawthorn

Hi Sheila,

Dr. Cheney recommends MediHerb Hawthorn. Correct...not the berries. It's #

M1330.

Dosage for me...I've slacked off and don't have notes in hand, but it's

several a day.

Katrina

>

> Hi All,

>

> Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

> dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

> berries, don't know why.

>

> Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

>

> Thanks in anticipation.

>

> BW,

>

> Sheila

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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Hi Adrienne,

If you google MediHerb + Hawthorn, you'll find it from many sources. The Company

(part of Standard Process) is trying to restrict their products to professionals

only, so some sites will say that. (They ask for practioners license # or

something.)

But there are still some who sell it direct to customer...you can check

Amazon.com or Total Health Discount Supplements, for instance. (NFI)

BW,

Katrina

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

> > dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

> > berries, don't know why.

> >

> > Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

> >

> > Thanks in anticipation.

> >

> > BW,

> >

> > Sheila

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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I did just that, and, until I came to the SP site , I thought I was seeing only

the other of their products, w. berries. It was morning, maybe I missed it.

Nothing like it on Amazon and the other site sells both SP versions; berries and

flowering tops. The latter is full of preservatives and is way cheaper than the

berries formulation. Interesting. Could it be that Cheney does not always make

the best choice?

Adrienne

Re: Cheney and hawthorn

Hi Adrienne,

If you google MediHerb + Hawthorn, you'll find it from many sources. The

Company (part of Standard Process) is trying to restrict their products to

professionals only, so some sites will say that. (They ask for practioners

license # or something.)

But there are still some who sell it direct to customer...you can check

Amazon.com or Total Health Discount Supplements, for instance. (NFI)

BW,

Katrina

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney recommends and at what

> > dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and flowers not the

> > berries, don't know why.

> >

> > Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

> >

> > Thanks in anticipation.

> >

> > BW,

> >

> > Sheila

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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I just read about this but using a large sheet, like an old bedsheet,

to wrap yourself in. What I read was for soaking in ginger tea, but

it would work with dissolved Epsom salts too.

in Champaign IL

Very Many thanks mjh. I already have Epsom Salts in the house so

that's pretty easy to do!

BW

Rosie

I'll save you the archive search.

Make a supersaturated solution of Epsom salt...... ie, dissolve Mg

SO4 in just a bit of boiling water. Then, when dissolved, add the

solution to your favorite skin cream. Mix it in well.

You can do the same with Mg Chloride from a product like Magna Vida

that I get on ebay

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_>

us/FireBasil/_

(http://foxhillfarm. <http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/>

us/FireBasil/)

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Hi Katrina,

thanks for your answer and hopefully your shoulder heals fast. The

DVD was the greatest thing I ever saw on CFS. Dr. Cheney gave me

back so much hope and I even think about visiting the Cheney Clinic

in the future if possible. His treatment approach is worth so much

to me now because I'm convinced that it is the right way.

Do you also use that magnesium paste? He said something

like " Curtman " when he was asked about the producer. Which one do

you use, what is important?

Unfortunately I can't order MediHerb here. Total Health Discount

doesn't ship to Germany since our stupid customs are very strict

with supplements. That's why they don't have time for drug smuggling

from other European countries to Germany or container ships full of

faked stuff from China...

What does it need to contain, is 6.68 mg/tablet of vitexin-2-

rhamnoside the important value? Looking forward to your answer.

Greets

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney

recommends and at what

> > > > dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and

flowers not the

> > > > berries, don't know why.

> > > >

> > > > Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > >

> > > > BW,

> > > >

> > > > Sheila

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > This list is intended for patients to share personal

experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are

interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your

doctor.

> > >

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Hello ,

I'm thrilled that you have seen Dr. Cheney's lecture and are heartened by his

research, Cardiac findings and directions to pursue. That would also be super if

you get to see him one day :)

>>>> Do you also use that magnesium paste? <<<<<

Yes

>>>He said something

> like " Curtman " when he was asked about the producer. Which one do you use,

what is important?<<<<<

He was saying from Kirkman's Lab. I use that one, and you can find them in

google search.

Before I knew about that, I found one in my local compounding pharmacy, and

several others in google search, which use various forms of magnesium.

I love the local one because it is a lovely Lavender smelling clear gel. I have

no idea of it's actual effectiveness on heart, but it feels very soothing. It is

" Dr. Healy's Crystal Enhanced Biogenics Magnesium Lotion " . It's yummy.

I am not clear on differences in the Magnesiums, or amounts, so I focus on the

Kirkman's paste since it is what Dr. Cheney suggested.

About the MediHerb Hawthorn...Very sorry to hear about customs problems. I don't

know if it would be different from other companies, OR if a Dr./Acupuncturist

could order for you directly, or you could include prescription from them.

>>>>What does it need to contain, is 6.68 mg/tablet of vitexin-2-rhamnoside the

important value? Looking forward to your answer.<<<<<

, I sure wish I could answer this, but I cannot. This also is not exactly

what's written on the bottle. I'll put that in another post.

I've been wondering how to transfer a number of SP/MH products to other brands,

but mostly have not figured it out.

On Hawthorn, I think it would be worth beginning (flowering tops) in any of the

purest brands. If having clear cardiac failure symptoms, I think it would be

worth beginning period. It isn't advice, but a guess, and what I did, and glad

that I did.

See if you can research the SP customs question...maybe an email to them. If you

don't get through, at some point, I will call them for you... & attempt to find

out...if that would be helpful.

BW,

Katrina

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know which brand of hawthorn Cheney

> recommends and at what

> > > > > dosage? he seems to use one that uses the leaves and

> flowers not the

> > > > > berries, don't know why.

> > > > >

> > > > > Or does anyone fond a good brand they'd recommend?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in anticipation.

> > > > >

> > > > > BW,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sheila

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > This list is intended for patients to share personal

> experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are

> interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your

> doctor.

> > > >

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Thanks to everyone who replied on this.

If its of any help I see Jarrow and Allergy Research also do what seem

to be appropriate hawthorns.

On Cheney's DVD's he also suggestys notto or lumbrokinase. Can anyone

tell me if bromelain would do to?

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