Re: qs about mercury (attn )

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In a message dated 07/11/2006 19:09:12 GMT Standard Time,

jgstev716@... writes:

this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a link

for the Swedish study, or an article or anything?

***This connection is very REAL and once you start to chelate besides other

things you will reverse your CFS.

Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery of the

usual chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've never heard

of this, and am not sure what they meant.

Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow alternative to

the usual chelators?

*****Chlorella is useful at mopping up toxins in the bowel when you are

using natural chelators. It doesnt actually chelate metals by itself.

I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam Illness

etc..) but am still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any ideas.

Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

Thanks

Louella

******Look into all of the above aswell as looking into Kanes work

and Klinghardts work and some of the toxin flushes on _www.curezone.com_

(http://www.curezone.com) .

Regards

CS

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this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a link for

the Swedish study, or an article or anything?

Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery of the

usual chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've never heard

of this, and am not sure what they meant.

Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow alternative to the

usual chelators?

I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam Illness

etc..) but am still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any ideas.

Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

Thanks

Louella

davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

Hi, Rich.

" rvankonynen " <richvank@...> wrote:

Here's what I suggest: We

> know that one of the jobs that glutathione normally has is to bind

> to toxic heavy metals, such as mercury, and escort them out of the

> body. When glutathione becomes depleted, this is one of the jobs

> that does not get done, and if there is ongoing exposure to heavy

> metals, the body burdens of these metals will rise. It's known in

> chemistry that mercury binds preferentially to sulfur atoms, because

> of the strength of their bond. Sulfur is present in enzymes in the

> methylation cycle. It seems reasonable to believe that as the

> amount of mercury in the body rises, some of it could bind to these

> enzymes.

***I agree. And I think it's important for PWCs to not assume, from past testing

of

mercury " seeming " to show low levels of it in them or from known reasonably low

exposure to it, that this issue has been clearly ruled out. In fact, it still

remains quite

possible that mercury is the glue holding this CFS monster in place for many and

any

confidence in a notion contrary to this, especially if still sick, seems at

least an invalid

position at this point if not an invalid truth.

Prof. Deth has shown that the enzyme methionine

> synthase is particularly sensitive to very small concentrations of

> mercury, and that mercury inhibits its operation. So I suggest that

> this is the mousetrap that prevents setting things right for most

> PWCs simply by raising glutathione.

***This mouse trap idea seems on target and the notion of caboose breaking or

inhibition

might explain how some start to fair well earlier on using nondenatured whey or

another

method for glutathione building as this likely does get front end or more

surface levels

properly functioning within the vicious circle, but then improvement stops,

possibly

indicating a hold-up deeper into the circle, a caboose if you will, which may be

much of

the bound metal that insidiously got into our cells over time when glutathione

was down.

***It sure would be nice to see the word get out at the upcoming IACFS

Conference about

that Swedish groups MRI technology that can detect where mercury is being bound

specifically in people and direct test verifiable evidence like this could

greatly help

substantiate our suspicions about mercury in CFS.

The lowering of glutathione thus

> does two things here: it inhibits the activity of enzymes in the

> methylation cycle by allowing the redox to become more oxidizing,

> and then over time it allows mercury to build up, and that compounds

> this inhibition in a more irreversible manner.

You may recall that

> there is published work showing that adding supplementary

> glutathione does not very effectively remove mercury that is already

> bound to enzymes in the body.

***Yes.

>

> So I suggest that that is why one has to give direct support to the

> methylation cycle enzymes in order to break the vicious circle, get

> the methylation cycle operating normally again, and restore the

> levels of glutathione on a permanent basis.

>

> There are still some aspects I haven't figured out about this.

> Like, how does the direct support to these enzymes (in the form of

> various forms of folate and cobalamin or B12) get them operating

> again, when they still have mercury bound to them?

***The new RNA products might be an aid to this purpose.

Maybe it's a matter of the cells making new copies of them, and working with

> those, and the others are eventually disassembled and recycled. I'm

> not sure. But anyway, I think this mercury binding concept may

> answer the question that Sheila posed.

***Does aluminum have this same profile or similar effect? It seems to come out

in

droves with the autistic kids on methylation protocols.

***

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If you cannot handle direct glutathione supplementation, that is a good

indicator of a sulfur sensitivity. The DSMA and so forth is full of that and

might do you more harm than good.

You might want to join the CFS_Yasko group, correct methylation and then the

body will detxo metals over time.naturally.

Janet

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a

link for the Swedish study, or an article or anything?

Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery of the

usual chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've never heard of

this, and am not sure what they meant.

Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow alternative to the

usual chelators?

I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam Illness

etc..) but am still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any ideas.

Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

Thanks

Louella

davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

Hi, Rich.

" rvankonynen " <richvank@...> wrote:

Here's what I suggest: We

> know that one of the jobs that glutathione normally has is to bind

> to toxic heavy metals, such as mercury, and escort them out of the

> body. When glutathione becomes depleted, this is one of the jobs

> that does not get done, and if there is ongoing exposure to heavy

> metals, the body burdens of these metals will rise. It's known in

> chemistry that mercury binds preferentially to sulfur atoms, because

> of the strength of their bond. Sulfur is present in enzymes in the

> methylation cycle. It seems reasonable to believe that as the

> amount of mercury in the body rises, some of it could bind to these

> enzymes.

***I agree. And I think it's important for PWCs to not assume, from past testing

of

mercury " seeming " to show low levels of it in them or from known reasonably low

exposure to it, that this issue has been clearly ruled out. In fact, it still

remains quite

possible that mercury is the glue holding this CFS monster in place for many and

any

confidence in a notion contrary to this, especially if still sick, seems at

least an invalid

position at this point if not an invalid truth.

Prof. Deth has shown that the enzyme methionine

> synthase is particularly sensitive to very small concentrations of

> mercury, and that mercury inhibits its operation. So I suggest that

> this is the mousetrap that prevents setting things right for most

> PWCs simply by raising glutathione.

***This mouse trap idea seems on target and the notion of caboose breaking or

inhibition

might explain how some start to fair well earlier on using nondenatured whey or

another

method for glutathione building as this likely does get front end or more

surface levels

properly functioning within the vicious circle, but then improvement stops,

possibly

indicating a hold-up deeper into the circle, a caboose if you will, which may be

much of

the bound metal that insidiously got into our cells over time when glutathione

was down.

***It sure would be nice to see the word get out at the upcoming IACFS

Conference about

that Swedish groups MRI technology that can detect where mercury is being bound

specifically in people and direct test verifiable evidence like this could

greatly help

substantiate our suspicions about mercury in CFS.

The lowering of glutathione thus

> does two things here: it inhibits the activity of enzymes in the

> methylation cycle by allowing the redox to become more oxidizing,

> and then over time it allows mercury to build up, and that compounds

> this inhibition in a more irreversible manner.

You may recall that

> there is published work showing that adding supplementary

> glutathione does not very effectively remove mercury that is already

> bound to enzymes in the body.

***Yes.

>

> So I suggest that that is why one has to give direct support to the

> methylation cycle enzymes in order to break the vicious circle, get

> the methylation cycle operating normally again, and restore the

> levels of glutathione on a permanent basis.

>

> There are still some aspects I haven't figured out about this.

> Like, how does the direct support to these enzymes (in the form of

> various forms of folate and cobalamin or B12) get them operating

> again, when they still have mercury bound to them?

***The new RNA products might be an aid to this purpose.

Maybe it's a matter of the cells making new copies of them, and working with

> those, and the others are eventually disassembled and recycled. I'm

> not sure. But anyway, I think this mercury binding concept may

> answer the question that Sheila posed.

***Does aluminum have this same profile or similar effect? It seems to come out

in

droves with the autistic kids on methylation protocols.

***

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Hi, Louella.

louella monrovia <lmonrovia@...> wrote:

>

> this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a link for

the Swedish

study, or an article or anything?

***There have a been a few posts on this list about this. You may want to

check the

archives as I do recall a link was included in at least one of those posts.

>

> Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery of the

usual

chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

***I happen to have been using DMPS at optimal doses over the last several

months with

no problem. They key to no bad reactions I believe is too make sure you have

boosted

your glutathione levels in your body before starting this type of chelation

protocol.

***It seems the horror stories of the past were people using these effective

chelators like

this without knowing glutathione status is relevant to bagging the mobilized

chelated

metals out of the body. Without this capacity called conjugation by

glutathione, the

chelated metals are not removed from the body and just get moved in location

causing

new injury.

>

> Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've never heard

of this,

and am not sure what they meant.

***I think Rich postulated this originally here, but he later stated that

although B12 should

be able to do this the extreme amount of it needed for this possible effect

makes it a

virtually undoable therapy.

>

> Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow alternative to

the usual

chelators?

***Chlorella has been shown to NOT work so well as an effective systemic heavy

metal

chelator. DMPS and DMSA are the only scientifically proven effective metal

chelators

widely available these days. That said, improving methylation as is being

practiced in

autistic kids seems to hold promise for removing metals though this still

remains

experimental, not officially proven as effective.

>

> I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam Illness

etc..) but am

still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any ideas.

>

> Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

***I think so, yes.

***

> davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

And I think it's important for PWCs to not assume, from past testing of

> mercury " seeming " to show low levels of it in them or from known reasonably

low

> exposure to it, that this issue has been clearly ruled out. In fact, it still

remains quite

> possible that mercury is the glue holding this CFS monster in place for many

and any

> confidence in a notion contrary to this, especially if still sick, seems at

least an invalid

> position at this point if not an invalid truth.

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Oh, I've now found it. Sweden's technology for detecting mercury in tissues

is called

flourecence x-ray metal detection, which you can read more about at:

http://www.rfa.mas.lu.se/research/xrf/xrf.html

" davidhall2020 " <davidhall@...> wrote:

>

> >

> > this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a link

for the

Swedish

> study, or an article or anything?

[Guest guest]

here is what ive been doing:

1)diet - no wheat or dairy restricts sugar for around 12 months -

***once your glutathione levels are up and you have got to point 5

reintroduce fruits.

2) Raising glutathione & thyroid - Whey Protein -

***It took me 12 months to raise my glutathione levels - at this point i

felt no difference taking the whey.

3) Killing infections - Lactoferrin / Coconut oil / Manuka Honey

***After taking the whey for around 3 months ( enough to help detox any

circulating metals ) ***- I took lactoferrin for 4 weeks to wipe out bacteria

***Then i took coconut oil for 4 weeks to wipe out yeast.

***Then i took Manuka honey for 4 weeks to wipe out any remaining gut

bacteria ie h pylori

4) Improving adrenals - Licorice / Salt

***Take salt in water to correct OI intolerance and reverse potassium

imbalance.

***Adding licorice in the form of a pure licoice sweet is a powerful way to

correct low cortisol.

5) Improving digestion - Probiotics / Digestive enzyme with oxbile

***Start adding probiotics at this stage as alot of infections would have

been killed off.

***Add Digestive enzyme with ox bile as your body has more than likely

stopped produceing it as your liver is so overwhelmed by all the toxins.

6) Liver / Galbladder flush - Olive oil / Grapefruit juice / Turmeric /

Apple juice / probiotics

***Include Turmeric in your foods for 4 weeks.

***Include Apple juice for 4 weeks this will soften stagnant bile in your

gallbladder

***Simply do this liver flush once a week in between detoxing heavy metals.

As once you have started to detox metals some of it will have to be flushed

out of the liver gallbladder to prevent it from re circulating.

7) Bladder Cleanse - OPC's rich fruits

***include lots of OPC rich fruits.

8) Heavy Metals - Coriander herb /Chlorella/ Garlic

***do a metal cleanse once every few days and then liver flush - for around

3 months

***take chlorella 15 mins before eating - then add coriander to your food.

***take a little garlic with foods also

9) Kidney Cleanse - Parsley / Lemon juice /Magnesium /Probiotics to flush

out any kidney stones

10) Colon & Bowel Cleanse - Magnesium/ Chlorella

11) Fatty Liver - Lecithin, Evening Primrose oil / Essential fatty acids

12) Vits and Minerals - Vit & Mins, Cod liver oil (vit A), B12 Zinc, mg,

calcium , potassium Colostrum , probiotics

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

What do u base your assertions on CS? If I recall correctly, your protocol..does

not include any chelators.

louella

bhammanuk@... wrote:

In a message dated 07/11/2006 19:09:12 GMT Standard Time,

jgstev716@... writes:

this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a link

for the Swedish study, or an article or anything?

***This connection is very REAL and once you start to chelate besides other

things you will reverse your CFS.

Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery of the

usual chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've never heard

of this, and am not sure what they meant.

Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow alternative to

the usual chelators?

*****Chlorella is useful at mopping up toxins in the bowel when you are

using natural chelators. It doesnt actually chelate metals by itself.

I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam Illness

etc..) but am still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any ideas.

Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

Thanks

Louella

******Look into all of the above aswell as looking into Kanes work

and Klinghardts work and some of the toxin flushes on _www.curezone.com_

(http://www.curezone.com) .

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

>

>

> here is what ive been doing:

***Hi CS - Without having done any testing, how do you know that you

had any of these problems in the first place, and how can you know

that they have been corrected?

For instance, I know from a previous test that I have low

glutathione, however, without further testing I have no way of

knowing whether or not my levels have improved?

A bladder cleanse? Wouldn't water be just as effective? In fact I

didn't know that we needed to cleanse our bladders.

Take care.

Bernie

>

>

> 1)diet - no wheat or dairy restricts sugar for around 12 months -

>

>

> ***once your glutathione levels are up and you have got to point 5

> reintroduce fruits.

>

> 2) Raising glutathione & thyroid - Whey Protein -

>

> ***It took me 12 months to raise my glutathione levels - at this

point i

> felt no difference taking the whey.

>

> 3) Killing infections - Lactoferrin / Coconut oil / Manuka Honey

>

> ***After taking the whey for around 3 months ( enough to help

detox any

> circulating metals ) ***- I took lactoferrin for 4 weeks to wipe

out bacteria

> ***Then i took coconut oil for 4 weeks to wipe out yeast.

> ***Then i took Manuka honey for 4 weeks to wipe out any remaining

gut

> bacteria ie h pylori

>

> 4) Improving adrenals - Licorice / Salt

>

> ***Take salt in water to correct OI intolerance and reverse

potassium

> imbalance.

> ***Adding licorice in the form of a pure licoice sweet is a

powerful way to

> correct low cortisol.

>

> 5) Improving digestion - Probiotics / Digestive enzyme with oxbile

>

> ***Start adding probiotics at this stage as alot of infections

would have

> been killed off.

> ***Add Digestive enzyme with ox bile as your body has more than

likely

> stopped produceing it as your liver is so overwhelmed by all the

toxins.

>

> 6) Liver / Galbladder flush - Olive oil / Grapefruit juice /

Turmeric /

> Apple juice / probiotics

>

> ***Include Turmeric in your foods for 4 weeks.

> ***Include Apple juice for 4 weeks this will soften stagnant bile

in your

> gallbladder

> ***Simply do this liver flush once a week in between detoxing heavy

metals.

> As once you have started to detox metals some of it will have to be

flushed

> out of the liver gallbladder to prevent it from re circulating.

>

> 7) Bladder Cleanse - OPC's rich fruits

> ***include lots of OPC rich fruits.

>

> 8) Heavy Metals - Coriander herb /Chlorella/ Garlic

> ***do a metal cleanse once every few days and then liver flush -

for around

> 3 months

> ***take chlorella 15 mins before eating - then add coriander to

your food.

> ***take a little garlic with foods also

>

> 9) Kidney Cleanse - Parsley / Lemon juice /Magnesium /Probiotics

to flush

> out any kidney stones

>

> 10) Colon & Bowel Cleanse - Magnesium/ Chlorella

>

> 11) Fatty Liver - Lecithin, Evening Primrose oil / Essential

fatty acids

>

> 12) Vits and Minerals - Vit & Mins, Cod liver oil (vit A), B12

Zinc, mg,

> calcium , potassium Colostrum , probiotics

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/11/2006 02:32:01 GMT Standard Time,

BernieAnne@... writes:

***Hi CS - Without having done any testing, how do you know that you

had any of these problems in the first place, and how can you know

that they have been corrected

For instance, I know from a previous test that I have low

glutathione, however, without further testing I have no way of

knowing whether or not my levels have improved?

*****Im glad you are testing.

For me I have been diagnosed to have CFS and have all these issues for 16

years. Im talking chronic fatigue.

Regards

CS

A bladder cleanse? Wouldn't water be just as effective? In fact I

didn't know that we needed to cleanse our bladders.

Take care.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 07/11/2006 19:09:12 GMT Standard Time,

> jgstev716@... writes:

>

> this whole mercury connection is very intersting. , do u have a

link

> for the Swedish study, or an article or anything?

>

>

> ***This connection is very REAL and once you start to chelate

besides other

> things you will reverse your CFS.

>

> Also, I am about to get heavy metals testing.. but am a little leery

of the

> usual chelators - DMPS and DMSA.

>

> Someone on this list said they used B12 to get mercury out. I've

never heard

> of this, and am not sure what they meant.

>

> Any thoughts anyone? And is chlorella a viable if very slow

alternative to

> the usual chelators?

>

> *****Chlorella is useful at mopping up toxins in the bowel when you are

> using natural chelators. It doesnt actually chelate metals by itself.

>

>

>

> I've been trying to read up on this....(DAvid Hall Cutler's Amalagam

Illness

> etc..) but am still looking for other resources ...if anyone has any

ideas.

>

> Do any of the DAN or Yasko books touch on this?

>

> Thanks

> Louella

>

> ******Look into all of the above aswell as looking into

Kanes work

> and Klinghardts work and some of the toxin flushes on

_www.curezone.com_

> (http://www.curezone.com) .

>

>

> Regards

> CS

**********************

I just want to add that I was successful at chelating with a combo of

chlorella, cilantro in tincture form, Modifilan (a brown laminaria),

the Kane dietary protocol and taking butyrate to heal the gi tract.

First I got rid of aluminum, then lead, then mercury, then palladium

and antimony which were strangely very high. I used hair analysis

which is not supposed to be all that accurate but it was cheap and I

could do it without getting an MD involved and without taking anything

that could deprive me of healthy minerals since I knew that would put

my health at too much risk. Also, the hair analysis lab where I

studied teaches that we need to absorb healthy minerals to replace the

toxic minerals. So I made a point to take suhstantial amounts of

plant-based minerals as the most absorbable kind. (Although tomorrow

night I am attending a seminar about a technology that makes minerals

more absorbable but reducing them into nanoparticles; and Drucker Labs

makes minerals more absorbable by complexing them with fulvic acid.)

There is a very good and supposed safe mixed oral chelation product

that I believe is called Longevity Plus and is from Extended Health.

800-300-6712 I did not try this as I learned about it after I had

finished my own combination. I found that alternating products worked

well for me. I used NDF and NDF plus because I could take tiny doses

and knew I was absorbing them sublingually. Oral absorption can be

less effective.

I did not tolerate products with EDTA in any significant quantity.

Longevity Plus has some EDTA but not much.

Regards,

Z

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