Re: sudden whey cessation - ok? (CS)

[Guest guest]

Hey,

This candida thing is a concern for me. The immunopro I have has

lactoferrin in it, so I assumed that would prevent the Candida from

flourishing. Also, my mom is sending me some anticandida stuff from

Canada: olive leaf, oil of oregano, tannalbit, and grapefruit

extract. I'll alternate these, of course, rather than taking them

all at once.

Do you think it is wise, then, to continue with the whey while

addressing candida (I'd hate to be feeding and killing it

simultaneously)? Or should I alternate (kill candida for 2 weeks,

build glutathione for 2 weeks, etc.)?

I'd appreciate your take on this as I am loosely modeling my own

regime after yours.

My tentative plan is:

Immunopro from now on (following a week off to give my brain a break)

Low carb/moderate anti-fungal, high fiber diet (no wheat, no booze,

no sugar, no sweet fruits, etc)

(Maybe) Dry sauna, 3 x a week for approx 30 minutes each

Candida and parasite cleanse for one month or more, starting soon

2-3 liver flushes in November/December

7 day supervised theraputic fasting in Thailand in Dec/Jan

Follow that up with rebuilding intestinal walls (L-glutamine and

maybe colostrum)

Assess any improvements and go from there

Any thoughts?

Thanks much,

Steve

> Rasiing glutathione can be cause severe herx reactions - its upto

each

> individual as to what dosage to start on and then build up on. All

this talk that

> Whey feeds candida is a non starter for me - whey raises

glutathione and

> frees metals and at the same time yes candida flourishes as there

is less metals.

>

> If you want to deal with candida - Lactoferrin / coconut oil /

mauka worked

> for me.

>

>

> Regards

> CS

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/10/2006 01:39:09 GMT Standard Time,

sonofdelbert@... writes:

Hey,

This candida thing is a concern for me. The immunopro I have has

lactoferrin in it, so I assumed that would prevent the Candida from

flourishing. Also, my mom is sending me some anticandida stuff from

Canada: olive leaf, oil of oregano, tannalbit, and grapefruit

extract. I'll alternate these, of course, rather than taking them

all at once.

****I took the why for 3 months before adding anything to kill off candida

as i didnt want to stir up too many toxins in one go.

i then introduced lactoferrin to kill off infections linked with iron

overload.

I then added cocnut oil slowly - and yes i had heart palpitations in the

beginning!!! But your body soon becomes used to the cocnut oil - people seem to

be giving up far to easily. IT took me 4 weeks to kill off my candida and then

I added Manuka honey dail to kill off any remaining infections ie h pylori!

Do you think it is wise, then, to continue with the whey while

addressing candida (I'd hate to be feeding and killing it

simultaneously)simultaneously)<WBR>? Or should I alternate (kill candi

build glutathione for 2 weeks, etc.)?

****No take whey exclusively until you know your herx effectx are subsiding

and glutathione is being built up - this took me 3 months.

****Alternate with your other supplements - ie whey in the morning and then

Coconut oil in the evening.

****You wont be feeding the candida - whey will be grabbing free circulating

metals.

I'd appreciate your take on this as I am loosely modeling my own

regime after yours.

My tentative plan is:

*****My own regime has taken a new turn as i know exactly what i have to do

to turn myself around but again this is going to take time.Then again 16

years of feeling unwell will take time. Im looking at 6 - 12 months to full

recovery!

Immunopro from now on (following a week off to give my brain a break)

Low carb/moderate anti-fungal, high fiber diet (no wheat, no booze,

no sugar, no sweet fruits, etc)

(Maybe) Dry sauna, 3 x a week for approx 30 minutes each

Candida and parasite cleanse for one month or more, starting soon

2-3 liver flushes in November/December

7 day supervised theraputic fasting in Thailand in Dec/Jan

Follow that up with rebuilding intestinal walls (L-glutamine and

maybe colostrum)

Assess any improvements and go from there

Any thoughts?

Thanks much,

Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi

I think I have tried almost all the supplements along the way and then a

pattern seemed to develop in my recovery . I have had CFS for 16 years and i

knew I had to do something drastic to turn myself around - I read many posts but

no one seemed to be getting better and know seemed to have a structured

regime for getting well. I think all you need to do is to concentrate on

getting

ALL YOUR DETOX ORGANS WORKING and your body should balance and correct

itself! THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS AND YES GLUTATHIONE IS AT THE HEART OF MY

RECOVERY. These are the steps that have helped me reverse almost all of my

issues

over the last 17 months ( Hopefully ill be feeling even weller for XMAS ) :

1)diet - no wheat or dairy restricts sugar for around 12 months -

***once your glutathione levels are up and you have got to point 5

reintroduce fruits.

2) Raising glutathione & thyroid - whey protein -

***It took me 12 months to raise my glutathione levels - at this point i

felt no difference taking the whey.

3) Killing infections - lactoferrin / coconut oil / Manuka Honey

***After taking the whey for around 3 months ( enough to help detox any

circulating metals ) ***- I took lactoferrin for 4 weeks to wipe out bacteria

***Then i took coconut oil for 4 weeks to wipe out yeast.

***Then i took Manuka honey for 4 weeks to wipe out any remaining gut

bacteria ie h pylori

4) Improving adrenals - licorice / salt

***Take salt in water to correct OI intolerance and reverse potassium

imbalance.

***Adding licorice in the form of a pure licoice sweet is a powerful way to

correct low cortisol.

5) Improving digestion - probiotics / digestive enzyme with oxbile

***Start adding probiotics at this stage as alot of infections would have

been killed off.

***Add Digestive enzyme with ox bile as your body has more than likely

stopped produceing it as your liver is so overwhelmed by all the toxins.

6) Liver / Galbladder flush - Olive oil / grapefruit juice / turmeric /

Apple juice

***Include turmeric in your foods for 4 weeks.

***Include apple juice for 4 weeks this will soften stagnant bile in your

gallbladder

***Simply do this liver flush once a week in between detoxing heavy metals.

As once you have started to detox metals some of it will have to be flushed

out of the liver gallbladder to prevent it from re circulating.

7) Antioxidants - OPC's rich fruits

***include lots of OPC rich fruits.

8) Heavy Metals - Coriander herb /Chlorella/ Garlic

***do a metal cleanse once every few days and then liver flush - for around

3 months

***take chlorella 15 mins before eating - then add coriander to your food.

***take a little garlic with foods also

9) Kidney and Colon flush - parsley / lemon juice / magnesium / probiotcs &

bowel friendly foods

***this is the KICKER - add parsley and lemon juice and magnesium to flush

out any kidney stones - you will start to feel WELL!!!!!!!

10) Vits and Minerals - Vitamin A is very important to start balancing up

your immune system and helping to fight off any remaining infections

I am concentrating on the following areas over the next 6 months :

1)chelation

2)liver / gallbladder

3)kidney cleanse

4)Colon cleanse

5)Vitmain and Mins

Any question let me know

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/10/2006 17:02:54 GMT Standard Time,

tres_gatos87801@... writes:

Can I please ask, how do you KNOW you have candida.. I've googled it but the

general symptoms are way too common for me to tell.

Any dead giveaways??

Thanks! Wendi

***If you have a tub of coconut oil - try a tiny amount and tell me what

response you get!

***The symptoms are as long as my arms.

****If you have CFS - you are likely to have candida,

****In order to get to the root of candida youll need to raise glutatathione

levels and then go for candida - lactoferrrin and coconut oil and manuka

honey wiped mine out!

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Pardon me, CS

I have made significant strides in function since starting SAM-e at the

direction of my rheumatologist in late 1999. Was stricken in April 1990.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Can I please ask, how do you KNOW you have candida.. I've googled it but the

general symptoms are way too common for me to tell.

Any dead giveaways??

Thanks! Wendi

bhammanuk@... wrote:

In a message dated 05/10/2006 01:39:09 GMT Standard Time,

sonofdelbert@... writes:

Hey,

This candida thing is a concern for me. The immunopro I have has

lactoferrin in it, so I assumed that would prevent the Candida from

flourishing. Also, my mom is sending me some anticandida stuff from

Canada: olive leaf, oil of oregano, tannalbit, and grapefruit

extract. I'll alternate these, of course, rather than taking them

all at once.

****I took the why for 3 months before adding anything to kill off candida

as i didnt want to stir up too many toxins in one go.

i then introduced lactoferrin to kill off infections linked with iron

overload.

I then added cocnut oil slowly - and yes i had heart palpitations in the

beginning!!! But your body soon becomes used to the cocnut oil - people seem to

be giving up far to easily. IT took me 4 weeks to kill off my candida and then

I added Manuka honey dail to kill off any remaining infections ie h pylori!

Do you think it is wise, then, to continue with the whey while

addressing candida (I'd hate to be feeding and killing it

simultaneously)simultaneously)<WBR>? Or should I alternate (kill candi

build glutathione for 2 weeks, etc.)?

****No take whey exclusively until you know your herx effectx are subsiding

and glutathione is being built up - this took me 3 months.

****Alternate with your other supplements - ie whey in the morning and then

Coconut oil in the evening.

****You wont be feeding the candida - whey will be grabbing free circulating

metals.

I'd appreciate your take on this as I am loosely modeling my own

regime after yours.

My tentative plan is:

*****My own regime has taken a new turn as i know exactly what i have to do

to turn myself around but again this is going to take time.Then again 16

years of feeling unwell will take time. Im looking at 6 - 12 months to full

recovery!

Immunopro from now on (following a week off to give my brain a break)

Low carb/moderate anti-fungal, high fiber diet (no wheat, no booze,

no sugar, no sweet fruits, etc)

(Maybe) Dry sauna, 3 x a week for approx 30 minutes each

Candida and parasite cleanse for one month or more, starting soon

2-3 liver flushes in November/December

7 day supervised theraputic fasting in Thailand in Dec/Jan

Follow that up with rebuilding intestinal walls (L-glutamine and

maybe colostrum)

Assess any improvements and go from there

Any thoughts?

Thanks much,

Steve

[Guest guest]

On 10/5/06, bhammanuk@... <bhammanuk@...> wrote:

>

>

> ***If you have a tub of coconut oil - try a tiny amount and tell me what

> response you get!

What is the expected response if Candidia overgrowth is present?

[Guest guest]

Why not get tested for it?

bhammanuk@... wrote:

In a message dated 05/10/2006 17:02:54 GMT Standard Time,

tres_gatos87801@... writes:

Can I please ask, how do you KNOW you have candida.. I've googled it but the

general symptoms are way too common for me to tell.

Any dead giveaways??

Thanks! Wendi

***If you have a tub of coconut oil - try a tiny amount and tell me what

response you get!

***The symptoms are as long as my arms.

****If you have CFS - you are likely to have candida,

****In order to get to the root of candida youll need to raise glutatathione

levels and then go for candida - lactoferrrin and coconut oil and manuka

honey wiped mine out!

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I cook with coconut oil, and dowse my cast

iron in that oil after cleaning it. I've heard of the herx effect, but I don't

think I've ever experienced it, or least don't know if I have. I also take the

caplets of virgin coconut oil, pop the liquid out and swallow. I don't have any

significant effect. I was told to try it to boost immunity by a fellow Hashimoto

member.

Just trying to pin down a candida effect, other than fatigue, because, hello,

I've had that for 15 yrs.

-W

bob niederman <bobn1955@...> wrote:

On 10/5/06, bhammanuk@... <bhammanuk@...> wrote:

>

>

> ***If you have a tub of coconut oil - try a tiny amount and tell me what

> response you get!

What is the expected response if Candidia overgrowth is present?

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[Guest guest]

>

Dear mjh,

What is the proper dosage level of SAM-e? and in what ways did you

see improvement?

TIA...

> Pardon me, CS

>

> I have made significant strides in function since starting SAM-e at

the

> direction of my rheumatologist in late 1999. Was stricken in

April 1990.

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/10/2006 18:44:14 GMT Standard Time, bobn1955@...

writes:

> ***If you have a tub of coconut oil - try a tiny amount and tell me what

> response you get!

What is the expected response if Candidia overgrowth is present?

****A strong herx response. Although you may have to raise glutathione

before hand.

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 05/10/2006 20:12:42 GMT Standard Time,

tres_gatos87801@... writes:

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. I cook with coconut oil, and dowse my

cast iron in that oil after cleaning it. I've heard of the herx effect, but I

don't think I've ever experienced it, or least don't know if I have. I also

take the caplets of virgin coconut oil, pop the liquid out and swallow. I

don't have any significant effect. I was told to try it to boost immunity by a

fellow Hashimoto member.

Just trying to pin down a candida effect, other than fatigue, because,

hello, I've had that for 15 yrs.

-W

***You may need to raise glutathione first to get at the core of candida.

Regards

Cs

[Guest guest]

Hey CS,

Thanks for taking the time to detail your strategy for recovery. It

seems to me that you have had to exercise admirable willpower in

order to get better. Good to hear it's paying off.

cheers,

Steve

> Hi

>

> I think I have tried almost all the supplements along the way and

then a

> pattern seemed to develop in my recovery . I have had CFS for 16

years and i

> knew I had to do something drastic to turn myself around - I read

many posts but

> no one seemed to be getting better and know seemed to have a

structured

> regime for getting well. I think all you need to do is to

concentrate on getting

> ALL YOUR DETOX ORGANS WORKING and your body should balance and

correct

> itself! THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS AND YES GLUTATHIONE IS AT THE

HEART OF MY

> RECOVERY.