Re: Predisposing factors for CFS.

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The one I like/hate is to go into the childhood and *fix* the negative patterns

you got from it. Remember the Eagles song where he says he'd like to find his

inner child and kick it's little a--?

netsukeme <kcapel@...> wrote: One of my favorites was " Well,

I think you don't drink enough water. "

(Say...what?) My mother's was " You just don't live right. " (And YOU

do? ) Ohhh, it never ends, does it.

> When I first became ill this well meaning friend of mine came round

to tell me first, " well you don't look that sick. " then " if you just

think positive you'll get well. All that lying around only makes it

worse. " implies that it is a cure-all, it gets under my skin.

>

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I love this post, Katrina. It's so dovetailed to my way of thinking is why.

Not to say I have a handle on what's really happening, but these have been my

thoughts for a while, and still the frustration of not knowing what to do about

them. One thing at a time or all at once? But you said it much better than I

ever could.

kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

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We need files here, to refer to for actual ME/CFS Biomedical research! Like

Klimas, or Kenny De on immune function. With part of the immune system " chopped

into pieces " (kenny De) and killer cells sluggish and others overreacting, and

some at completely cock-eyed ratio....

the immune system cannot do it's normal job...keep invaders or latents at bay.

Reading about normal immune function is very cool. It's an entire Military

regiment, with everyone playing a specific part...there are the sentries, the

1st line defense, back-ups, all kinds of platoons and fighting roles to play.

Remember how people with AIDS get all of the opportunistic infections? We

already have tons of buggies in our bodies...but they just hang around and don't

bother us as long as our Military

keeps them nice and quiet or dying.

Same with all the foreign invaders...all kinds of Pathogens, Mycotoxins, Man

Made poisons, carcinogenics.

The skin is actually the 1st line of immune defense.

We have alot in our systems " normally " ....yeast, chlamydia, for instance (among

thousands).

AIDS patient used to have horrible thrush (yeast) flare-ups in mouth

I am saying all this " used to " becasue the HIV drug cocktails changed things for

SOME. The Pneumonias and Cancers that they die(d) of are already around...but

were rare to be killing so many. It's because their Army (T-Cells) are actually

killed off....suposedly by HIV virus itself. Ours (Army, immune sytem) is here

but really deranged, injured, or half asleep.

Then there's the sticky blood gumming up the works. Impairing mobility. ANd low

blood flow, slowing down traffic. ANd malfunctioning Mitochondria, weakening

everyone.

Hosts of other " slightly off " functions.

A person can be born with these damages or lacks, or a major attack can injure

individual soldiers or the whole regiment...by active viruses,

poisons, bacteria. Some mount full frontal assault and some are sneaky little

bastards..they know how where to hide from the soldiers, or morph into something

familiar looking, there might be " stealth " viruses.

They can move into cells like pirates...take over the cell..or program the cell

to commit suicide...devious, eh?

Some buggies/poisons can slaughter any Army, or get straight to an organ or the

bloodstream (look at the Crockodile hunter and the Sting Ray...straight to the

heart).

Others are just going to annoy and irritate...hay fever??

Oh, then some of the weaponry are called cytocines...the pain of flu is

cytocines fighting the bug. So are we constantly fighting a bug? Or are the

Cytocines just constantly turned on from some previous high level attack and

they're going berserk...also not at optimal function, or in co-ordination with

the rest.

We treat all parts of the terrain...boost microcirculation, unstick (thin) the

blood, raise the enzymes that operate the Mitochondria,

(Glutathione, Catalese?, SOD), Balance the immune function (immune modulators)

or flat out kill the bugs. MJH uses a nice melissa tincture for Herpes viruses.

So, there are the latents and the invaders (some become latents). And the

multitudes and functions that keep us safe, or heal us.

Some have been looking at this for 20 years...what do they see??? What do they

say???

Jay Levy almost had a blood test marker in early 90s. Elaine de Frietas patented

a retrovirus...alot of patents out there on discovered occupants of our bodies.

We know some of the invaders who have been here or are still attacking. Some we

do not. I have the Ciguatera epitope...some toxin hypothosised to be

manufactured by a bug...the epitope poison is messing with lipids,liver, ion

channels???

Sometimes the fight is too rough or fast...antibiotics, antivirals, ImmunoPro?

the bugs are running too fast and the fight is hurting the Host...you and me....

um, ok I'll stop now since I have butchered Science and Military, royally

THere is TONS more...

But hope you got a general idea. I used to know more specifics, and this is why

I want to know what people have looked at our ME/CFS bodies and blood say...what

happened/what's happening now/what can be done

about it.

I'm going to take a few healers right now for each of these functions...

Don't laugh toooo hard,

Katrina

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[Guest guest]

If I hear " heal your inner child " one more time! Makes me just want to chuck a

trantrum on the spot.

Re: Re: Predisposing factors for CFS.

The one I like/hate is to go into the childhood and *fix* the negative

patterns you got from it. Remember the Eagles song where he says he'd like to

find his inner child and kick it's little a--?

netsukeme <kcapel@...> wrote: One of my favorites was " Well, I think

you don't drink enough water. "

(Say...what?) My mother's was " You just don't live right. " (And YOU

do? ) Ohhh, it never ends, does it.

> When I first became ill this well meaning friend of mine came round

to tell me first, " well you don't look that sick. " then " if you just

think positive you'll get well. All that lying around only makes it

worse. " implies that it is a cure-all, it gets under my skin.

>