Re: Cysteine and Candida study...

[Guest guest]

All I know is when I tried to raise my glutatione levels with whey protein and

glutathione, I develped a yeast infection which I still fight to this day! Over

3 months now....

Janet

kdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida

or fungal issues, but

I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined. Concentrations

between

0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The growth

of

both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal elongation

was

decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates showed

a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found no

support

for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans in

submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition of

growth of

C. albicans.

??? I don't get it.

d.

[Guest guest]

That's very interesting, Janet. I have had the same experience, I thought it

was the probiotics cuz I changed brands.

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote: All I know is when I

tried to raise my glutatione levels with whey protein and glutathione, I

develped a yeast infection which I still fight to this day! Over 3 months

now....

Janet

kdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida or fungal

issues, but

I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined. Concentrations

between

0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The growth

of

both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal elongation

was

decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates showed

a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found no

support

for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans in

submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition of

growth of

C. albicans.

??? I don't get it.

d.

[Guest guest]

No Edy. I think it is showing you that you might have a CBS upregulation. IMHO.

Janet

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

That's very interesting, Janet. I have had the same experience, I

thought it was the probiotics cuz I changed brands.

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote: All I know is when I tried to

raise my glutatione levels with whey protein and glutathione, I develped a yeast

infection which I still fight to this day! Over 3 months now....

Janet

kdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida or fungal

issues, but

I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined. Concentrations

between

0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The growth

of

both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal elongation

was

decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates showed

a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found no

support

for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans in

submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition of

growth of

C. albicans.

??? I don't get it.

d.

[Guest guest]

What is a CBS upregulation??? It can't have anything to do with watching too

much

television? (sorry for the lame joke!)

Dan

> Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida or

fungal issues,

but

> I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

>

> Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

>

> A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

>

> Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

>

> The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined.

Concentrations

between

> 0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The

growth of

> both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal

elongation was

> decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates

showed

> a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found

no support

> for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans

in

> submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition

of growth

of

> C. albicans.

>

> ??? I don't get it.

>

> d.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Janet,

Could you explain that in terms my poor brain can understand? And maybe what

to do about it?

Thanks, Edy

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote:

No Edy. I think it is showing you that you might have a CBS

upregulation. IMHO.

Janet

Edy Rayfield <edyrayfield@...> wrote:

That's very interesting, Janet. I have had the same experience, I thought it was

the probiotics cuz I changed brands.

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote: All I know is when I tried to

raise my glutatione levels with whey protein and glutathione, I develped a yeast

infection which I still fight to this day! Over 3 months now....

Janet

kdrbrill <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida or fungal

issues, but

I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined. Concentrations

between

0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The growth

of

both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal elongation

was

decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates showed

a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found no

support

for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans in

submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition of

growth of

C. albicans.

??? I don't get it.

d.

[Guest guest]

It's related to the Yasko panel. The CBS upregulation would lead to

ammonia problems.

It looks like I have a major ammonia problem given my genetics, ie one

plus plus CBS upregulation (sorry Janet, but I'm too tired now tgo go

look at the #'s in my file) and one hetero, so in a sense, that's 3

out of 4 genes that are " plus " for CBS, i.e. that is definitely

upregulation, and that I am an undermethylator but even so I have to

be careful about how I donate my methyl groups (ie in what form). I'm

too exhausted now to figure it out more because in reducing my

sleeping pill the last 4 days have been difficult and I've slept only

five or six hours a night and I hope I sleep tonight.

Edy--I forget, did you order this? It takes a lot of work to start to

understand but I have a feeling it is worthwhile.

> Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with

candida or fungal issues, but

> I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

>

> Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

>

> A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

>

> Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

>

> The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined.

Concentrations between

> 0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form.

The growth of

> both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of

hyphal elongation was

> decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal

formation. All isolates showed

> a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine.

We found no support

> for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly

growing C. albicans in

> submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general

inhibition of growth of

> C. albicans.

>

> ??? I don't get it.

>

> d.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

I hope you're asleep right now.

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

It's related to the Yasko panel. The CBS upregulation would lead to

ammonia problems.

It looks like I have a major ammonia problem given my genetics, ie one

plus plus CBS upregulation (sorry Janet, but I'm too tired now tgo go

look at the #'s in my file) and one hetero, so in a sense, that's 3

out of 4 genes that are " plus " for CBS, i.e. that is definitely

upregulation, and that I am an undermethylator but even so I have to

be careful about how I donate my methyl groups (ie in what form). I'm

too exhausted now to figure it out more because in reducing my

sleeping pill the last 4 days have been difficult and I've slept only

five or six hours a night and I hope I sleep tonight.

Edy--I forget, did you order this? It takes a lot of work to start to

understand but I have a feeling it is worthwhile.

> Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with

candida or fungal issues, but

> I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

>

> Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

>

> A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

>

> Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

>

> The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined.

Concentrations between

> 0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form.

The growth of

> both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of

hyphal elongation was

> decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal

formation. All isolates showed

> a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine.

We found no support

> for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly

growing C. albicans in

> submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general

inhibition of growth of

> C. albicans.

>

> ??? I don't get it.

>

> d.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I don't have any

studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism answer and couldn't find a

post that layed it out, but I can look more if you'd like. I think I got it from

one of the DVDs though, although I think Rich has discussed it in the past

(perhaps separately--the glutathione-taurine part and the

cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione that you

have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could still have the CBS

up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine (which is what I think I

have). This is a mutation further along in the pathway, so you don't have the

taurine issue. I think this is why I had both positive and negative reactions to

whey (I think it may have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both have

sulfur, so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the lactoferrin in the

whey killed off the yeast generated but the lipo doesn't have that, as others

have pointed out. I know someone has suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help

with the yeast issue.

Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct supplementation if you

don't have the mutations that don't tolerate it, but focuses more on supporting

the methylation cycle through a few supplements. Which, as we know from Rich,

increases glutathione, although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks

about the methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they talk just

about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about the same thing.

I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of my

knowledge!

Trina;)

kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

Hi Trina,

>>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine instead) by

supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow more.<<<<

Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that explains

this?

Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from lipoceutical

Glutathione.

Thanks,

Katrina

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I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

" The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower cysteine

leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so that

we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make more

glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use cysteine

containing supplements

for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild excitotoxin so

it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

Trina

Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I don't have any

studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism answer and couldn't find a

post that layed it out, but I can look more if you'd like. I think I got it from

one of the DVDs though, although I think Rich has discussed it in the past

(perhaps separately--the glutathione-taurine part and the

cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione that you

have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could still have the CBS

up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine (which is what I think I

have). This is a mutation further along in the pathway, so you don't have the

taurine issue. I think this is why I had both positive and negative reactions to

whey (I think it may have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both have sulfur,

so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the lactoferrin in the whey

killed off the yeast generated but the lipo doesn't have that, as others have

pointed out. I know someone has suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with

the yeast issue.

Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct supplementation if you

don't have the mutations that don't tolerate it, but focuses more on supporting

the methylation cycle through a few supplements. Which, as we know from Rich,

increases glutathione, although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks

about the methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they talk just

about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about the same thing.

I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of my

knowledge!

Trina;)

kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

Hi Trina,

>>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine instead) by

supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow more.<<<<

Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that explains

this?

Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from lipoceutical

Glutathione.

Thanks,

Katrina

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[Guest guest]

HI Trina:

That was a great quote you found from Dr. Amy. Thank you for the clarity.

Besides using the Ammonia protocal, does she have any ideas on how to get the

cysteine down??? I would love to get rid of this yeast infection!! Thank you

for your effort on this subject.

Always the best,

Jaent

Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

" The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower cysteine

leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so that

we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make more

glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use cysteine

containing supplements

for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild excitotoxin so

it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

Trina

Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I don't have any

studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism answer and couldn't find a

post that layed it out, but I can look more if you'd like. I think I got it from

one of the DVDs though, although I think Rich has discussed it in the past

(perhaps separately--the glutathione-taurine part and the

cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione that you

have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could still have the CBS

up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine (which is what I think I

have). This is a mutation further along in the pathway, so you don't have the

taurine issue. I think this is why I had both positive and negative reactions to

whey (I think it may have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both have sulfur,

so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the lactoferrin in the whey

killed off the yeast generated but the lipo doesn't have that, as others have

pointed out. I know someone has suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with

the yeast issue.

Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct supplementation if you

don't have the mutations that don't tolerate it, but focuses more on supporting

the methylation cycle through a few supplements. Which, as we know from Rich,

increases glutathione, although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks

about the methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they talk just

about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about the same thing.

I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of my

knowledge!

Trina;)

kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

Hi Trina,

>>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine instead) by

supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow more.<<<<

Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that explains

this?

Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from lipoceutical

Glutathione.

Thanks,

Katrina

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Dan.

Candida feeds on cysteine and grows in population is what there is to simply

get, IMO. It's my personal experience as well as found in clinical data and

other papers much more recent than this single 31 year old article.

It's a superficial issue that arises in whey protein use, but you just battle it

as you can while staying focused on the much much bigger villain, CFS.

" kdrbrill " <kdrbrill@...> wrote:

>

> Seems to me I've read here that cysteine is bad for those with candida or

fungal issues, but

> I just came across this study which showed the opposite:

>

> Sabouraudia. 1975 Mar;13 Pt 1:74-82.

>

> A re-evaluation of the effect of cysteine or Candida albicans.

>

> Wain WH, Price MF, Cawson RA.

>

> The effect of cysteine on Candida albicans has been re-examined.

Concentrations between

> 0-1 and 10-0 mM were tested on 12 isolates in yeast and hyphal form. The

growth of

> both forms was inhibited by 10 mM cysteine. Though the rate of hyphal

elongation was

> decreased there was no suppression of initiation of hyphal formation. All

isolates showed

> a random variation in their general inhibitory response to cysteine. We found

no support

> for the concept of cysteine-mediated from determination in rapidly growing C.

albicans in

> submerged culture. High concentrations of cystiene cause a general inhibition

of growth of

> C. albicans.

>

> ??? I don't get it.

>

> d.

[Guest guest]

Janet, I have major yeast issues and have to adjust gut pH according

to Amy's protocol. One way to raise gut pH is supposedly through CCK.

I have to research that a bit more. I'm also thinking my idea of

colonics and liver flushes could help (though this is somethign she

doesn't mention too much). I have also noticed that something like

fresh lemon juice, diluted in water, might help.-

-- In , Janet s <jgstev716@...>

wrote:

>

> HI Trina:

>

> That was a great quote you found from Dr. Amy. Thank you for the

clarity. Besides using the Ammonia protocal, does she have any ideas

on how to get the cysteine down??? I would love to get rid of this

yeast infection!! Thank you for your effort on this subject.

>

> Always the best,

>

> Jaent

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

>

> " The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

> glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

> leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

> we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

> convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

> for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

> department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild

excitotoxin so

> it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

>

> Trina

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

>

> It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I

don't have any studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism

answer and couldn't find a post that layed it out, but I can look more

if you'd like. I think I got it from one of the DVDs though, although

I think Rich has discussed it in the past (perhaps separately--the

glutathione-taurine part and the cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

>

> I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione

that you have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could

still have the CBS up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine

(which is what I think I have). This is a mutation further along in

the pathway, so you don't have the taurine issue. I think this is why

I had both positive and negative reactions to whey (I think it may

have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

>

> I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both

have sulfur, so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the

lactoferrin in the whey killed off the yeast generated but the lipo

doesn't have that, as others have pointed out. I know someone has

suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with the yeast issue.

>

> Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct

supplementation if you don't have the mutations that don't tolerate

it, but focuses more on supporting the methylation cycle through a few

supplements. Which, as we know from Rich, increases glutathione,

although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks about the

methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they

talk just about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about

the same thing.

>

> I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of

my knowledge!

>

> Trina;)

>

> kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Trina,

>

> >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

more.<<<<

>

> Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

explains this?

>

> Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

>

> I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

lipoceutical Glutathione.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katrina

>

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[Guest guest]

Janet, there's a ton of stuff in the gut protocol you can try--herbs and things

in addition to the CCK/BH4, plus stuff for specific bugs, like lactoferrin and

candex for yeast (which I'm sure you've tried, but I think it's the whole combo

together). Check the stickies in the basics section (I think).

Trina

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Janet, I have major yeast issues and have to adjust gut pH according

to Amy's protocol. One way to raise gut pH is supposedly through CCK.

I have to research that a bit more. I'm also thinking my idea of

colonics and liver flushes could help (though this is somethign she

doesn't mention too much). I have also noticed that something like

fresh lemon juice, diluted in water, might help.-

-- In , Janet s <jgstev716@...>

wrote:

>

> HI Trina:

>

> That was a great quote you found from Dr. Amy. Thank you for the

clarity. Besides using the Ammonia protocal, does she have any ideas

on how to get the cysteine down??? I would love to get rid of this

yeast infection!! Thank you for your effort on this subject.

>

> Always the best,

>

> Jaent

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

>

> " The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

> glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

> leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

> we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

> convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

> for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

> department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild

excitotoxin so

> it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

>

> Trina

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

>

> It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I

don't have any studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism

answer and couldn't find a post that layed it out, but I can look more

if you'd like. I think I got it from one of the DVDs though, although

I think Rich has discussed it in the past (perhaps separately--the

glutathione-taurine part and the cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

>

> I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione

that you have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could

still have the CBS up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine

(which is what I think I have). This is a mutation further along in

the pathway, so you don't have the taurine issue. I think this is why

I had both positive and negative reactions to whey (I think it may

have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

>

> I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both

have sulfur, so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the

lactoferrin in the whey killed off the yeast generated but the lipo

doesn't have that, as others have pointed out. I know someone has

suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with the yeast issue.

>

> Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct

supplementation if you don't have the mutations that don't tolerate

it, but focuses more on supporting the methylation cycle through a few

supplements. Which, as we know from Rich, increases glutathione,

although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks about the

methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they

talk just about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about

the same thing.

>

> I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of

my knowledge!

>

> Trina;)

>

> kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Trina,

>

> >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

more.<<<<

>

> Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

explains this?

>

> Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

>

> I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

lipoceutical Glutathione.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katrina

>

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Wouldn't this mean then that taking immunepro or immunocal which contain

cysteine would lead to increased taurine ?

Re: Re: Cysteine and Candida study...

I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

" The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild excitotoxin so

it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

Trina

[Guest guest]

HI JIll,

I am using the CCK twice a day. Probably started that about 2 weeks ago. Also

Candex, lactoferrin, olive leaf, grapefriut extract, caprylic acid and rotating

probotics. These are heavy hitters and I still cannot get rid of it!!! Hindsight

is 20/20. I wish I had been tested first, before I tried to raise my

glutathione. I am CBS +/+ and SUOX +/-

A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3 months!

Janet

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Janet, I have major yeast issues and have to adjust gut pH according

to Amy's protocol. One way to raise gut pH is supposedly through CCK.

I have to research that a bit more. I'm also thinking my idea of

colonics and liver flushes could help (though this is somethign she

doesn't mention too much). I have also noticed that something like

fresh lemon juice, diluted in water, might help.-

-- In , Janet s <jgstev716@...>

wrote:

>

> HI Trina:

>

> That was a great quote you found from Dr. Amy. Thank you for the

clarity. Besides using the Ammonia protocal, does she have any ideas

on how to get the cysteine down??? I would love to get rid of this

yeast infection!! Thank you for your effort on this subject.

>

> Always the best,

>

> Jaent

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

>

> " The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

> glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

> leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

> we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

> convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

> for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

> department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild

excitotoxin so

> it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

>

> Trina

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

>

> It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I

don't have any studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism

answer and couldn't find a post that layed it out, but I can look more

if you'd like. I think I got it from one of the DVDs though, although

I think Rich has discussed it in the past (perhaps separately--the

glutathione-taurine part and the cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

>

> I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione

that you have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could

still have the CBS up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine

(which is what I think I have). This is a mutation further along in

the pathway, so you don't have the taurine issue. I think this is why

I had both positive and negative reactions to whey (I think it may

have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

>

> I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both

have sulfur, so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the

lactoferrin in the whey killed off the yeast generated but the lipo

doesn't have that, as others have pointed out. I know someone has

suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with the yeast issue.

>

> Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct

supplementation if you don't have the mutations that don't tolerate

it, but focuses more on supporting the methylation cycle through a few

supplements. Which, as we know from Rich, increases glutathione,

although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks about the

methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they

talk just about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about

the same thing.

>

> I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of

my knowledge!

>

> Trina;)

>

> kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Trina,

>

> >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

more.<<<<

>

> Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

explains this?

>

> Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

>

> I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

lipoceutical Glutathione.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katrina

>

> Recent Activity

>

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>

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For those of us with the CBS upregulation, I would think so.

Janet

<maryellen1909@...> wrote:

Wouldn't this mean then that taking immunepro or immunocal which

contain

cysteine would lead to increased taurine ?

Re: Re: Cysteine and Candida study...

I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

" The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild excitotoxin so

it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

Trina

[Guest guest]

Are you sure it's yeast?

> >

> > Hi Trina,

> >

> > >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

> instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

> more.<<<<

> >

> > Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

> explains this?

> >

> > Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

> >

> > I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

> lipoceutical Glutathione.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Katrina

> >

> > Recent Activity

> >

> > 14

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> >

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Yea, I went to the Gyno.

Janet

jill1313 <jenbooks13@...> wrote:

Are you sure it's yeast?

> >

> > Hi Trina,

> >

> > >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

> instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

> more.<<<<

> >

> > Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

> explains this?

> >

> > Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

> >

> > I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

> lipoceutical Glutathione.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Katrina

> >

> > Recent Activity

> >

> > 14

> > New Members

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> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet,

Dawn Munn reported that Ethical Nutrients DF powder form of bifidus

worked for her candida. There is info in the archives.

Re: Re: Cysteine and Candida study...

HI JIll,

I am using the CCK twice a day. Probably started that about 2 weeks ago.

Also Candex, lactoferrin, olive leaf, grapefriut extract, caprylic acid

and rotating probotics. These are heavy hitters and I still cannot get

rid of it!!! Hindsight is 20/20. I wish I had been tested first, before

I tried to raise my glutathione. I am CBS +/+ and SUOX +/-

A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3

months!

Janet

jill1313 <jenbooks13hotmail (DOT) <mailto:jenbooks13%40hotmail.com> com>

wrote:

Janet, I have major yeast issues and have to adjust gut pH according

to Amy's protocol. One way to raise gut pH is supposedly through CCK.

I have to research that a bit more. I'm also thinking my idea of

colonics and liver flushes could help (though this is somethign she

doesn't mention too much). I have also noticed that something like

fresh lemon juice, diluted in water, might help.-

-- In @ <mailto:%40>

, Janet s <jgstev716@...>

wrote:

>

> HI Trina:

>

> That was a great quote you found from Dr. Amy. Thank you for the

clarity. Besides using the Ammonia protocal, does she have any ideas

on how to get the cysteine down??? I would love to get rid of this

yeast infection!! Thank you for your effort on this subject.

>

> Always the best,

>

> Jaent

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> I found a quote from Dr. Amy on autism answer:

>

> " The level of cysteine determines whether we end up with taurine or

> glutathione. High cysteine leads to increased taurine, and lower

cysteine

> leads to glutathione. IF we have alot of activity through the CBS so

that

> we are breaking down homocysteine to cysteine in high levels, we then

> convert to taurine. If the level of cysteine drops then we will make

more glutathione relative to taurine. This is why I do not like to use

cysteine containing supplements

> for CBS up regulations as we are already having an issue in that

> department for those individuals. Cysteine is also a mild

excitotoxin so

> it exacerbates the glutamate and gaba issue. "

>

> Trina

>

> Katrina Tangen <tvpro36@...> wrote:

> Hi Katrina (that still feels weird to type!),

>

> It's a summary of Amy Yasko's theory on CBS up-regulation, so I

don't have any studies to cite. I just looked a little on autism

answer and couldn't find a post that layed it out, but I can look more

if you'd like. I think I got it from one of the DVDs though, although

I think Rich has discussed it in the past (perhaps separately--the

glutathione-taurine part and the cysteine-glutathione-yeast part).

>

> I'm not sure, but I don't think that if whey raises your glutathione

that you have the problem of it turning to taurine. But you could

still have the CBS up-regulation that raises ammonia but not taurine

(which is what I think I have). This is a mutation further along in

the pathway, so you don't have the taurine issue. I think this is why

I had both positive and negative reactions to whey (I think it may

have raised glutathione but also raised ammonia).

>

> I don't know how that would tie into lipecuetical GSH though. Both

have sulfur, so both would cause a problem with CBS. Perhaps the

lactoferrin in the whey killed off the yeast generated but the lipo

doesn't have that, as others have pointed out. I know someone has

suggested adding lactoferrin to it to help with the yeast issue.

>

> Dr. Amy recommends raising glutathione through direct

supplementation if you don't have the mutations that don't tolerate

it, but focuses more on supporting the methylation cycle through a few

supplements. Which, as we know from Rich, increases glutathione,

although Dr. Amy doesn't really focus on that but talks about the

methylation cycle as a whole. So it's a little confusing going back

and forth because here we talk just about glutathione and there they

talk just about methylation, but we're essentially all talking about

the same thing.

>

> I'm not sure if any of that is helpful, but it's about the extent of

my knowledge!

>

> Trina;)

>

> kattemayo <kattemayo@...> wrote:

>

> Hi Trina,

>

> >>>so you were actually lowering glutathione (creating taurine

instead) by supplementing it, which then makes the yeast able to grow

more.<<<<

>

> Can you post a link or copy or point me to a medical citation that

explains this?

>

> Also, about what can be done to be able to raise glutathione.

>

> I have done fine with IP, but am having a fungal infection from

lipoceutical Glutathione.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Katrina

>

> Recent Activity

>

> 14

> New Members

>

> Visit Your Group

>

[Guest guest]

Tea tree oil on a tampon has given many women relief with vaginal candida.

Have you also modified your diet so that you are not feeding the candida?

And, pls trim your posts

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3 months!

Janet

[Guest guest]

If I were to put Tea Tree oil on a tampon, and use the tampon the way

it was intended, I would put myself in a coma for a week. Just using

acidopholis suppositories will do the trick, but make me veeerrry tired.

Michele

>

> Tea tree oil on a tampon has given many women relief with vaginal

candida.

>

> Have you also modified your diet so that you are not feeding the

candida?

>

> And, pls trim your posts

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

>

> A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3

months!

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, tea tree to harsh for me. Do they make acidopholis suppositories?? Or do I

just use a probotic in pill form???

Thanks for your help,

Janet

rosebud1082001 <ganesh1008@...> wrote:

If I were to put Tea Tree oil on a tampon, and use the tampon the way

it was intended, I would put myself in a coma for a week. Just using

acidopholis suppositories will do the trick, but make me veeerrry tired.

Michele

>

> Tea tree oil on a tampon has given many women relief with vaginal

candida.

>

> Have you also modified your diet so that you are not feeding the

candida?

>

> And, pls trim your posts

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

>

> A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3

months!

>

> Janet

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jarrow used to make a neat product called " Femdophilis " . Last thing I

knew it was taken off the market because it came with a plastic

applicator. Gotta watch out for those medical devices, ya know! It had

several strains of flora. I have no idea if it is back on the market

without the applicator, which makes it much safer. (sure) No midical

device. So I used another brand intended for the same purpose. Made by

Natren, it's Gy-Na.Tren. It just has acidophilis in it. I have found

that it's more effective to double up on the recommended dosage and

take it fewer days than it is to stretch if out.

-- In , Janet s <jgstev716@...>

wrote:

>

> Yes, tea tree to harsh for me. Do they make acidopholis

suppositories?? Or do I just use a probotic in pill form???

>

> Thanks for your help,

>

> Janet

>

> rosebud1082001 <ganesh1008@...> wrote:

> If I were to put Tea Tree oil on a tampon, and use the

tampon the way

> it was intended, I would put myself in a coma for a week. Just using

> acidopholis suppositories will do the trick, but make me veeerrry tired.

> Michele

>

>

> >

> > Tea tree oil on a tampon has given many women relief with vaginal

> candida.

> >

> > Have you also modified your diet so that you are not feeding the

> candida?

> >

> > And, pls trim your posts

> >

> > mjh

> > " The Basil Book "

> > _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

> >

> > A yeast infection (vaginal) is NOT a comfortable thing for over 3

> months!

> >

> > Janet

> >

> >

> >

> >