Re: How crucial is low elevation for CFSers?

[Guest guest]

Las Vegas air is fine if you live up the side of the hills on the

west side at about 4,000 feet.

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> Hi Sara,

>

> How cool is scorecard.com. I just did a quick look at my area,

where I use to live and where I have been thinking of going. Looks

like Albuquerque is pretty clean! Vegas, pretty messy there. Thanks

for the tip!

>

> Janet

>

> Mercuria <mercuria@...> wrote:

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> On Aug 24, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Sue T wrote:

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> > Putting more strain on the adrenals makes a lot of sense. Darn

> > it . . . it is just that this Contra Costa County I live in is

> > considered one of the worse top five in the nation for air

polution.

> >

> > Has anyone checked out www.scorecard.org

> > You can look up your county and find tons of info on toxins in

> > your area.

> >

> > I feel stuck at this point. I doing all this hard work on my body

> > with Yasko etc. and here I am living in this toxic mess.

> >

> > Oh well . . . all I can do is the best I can.

>

> Sue -- if I may ask, where are you considering moving to? (My mom

> used to live in Orinda and Walnut Creek, and found it toxic in more

> ways that one. But that's another story.)

>

> Also, great news about the SAMe working after Yasko. I can't

> metabolize SAMe at all -- which is a shame, because I feel

absolutely

> terrific on it, right up until I don't any more. And the crash is

> WICKED. It's just toxic.

>

> I should have Yasko results back in 4-6 weeks now. It's great to

> think I might be able to take SAMe some day, and actually stay with

it.

>

> Sara

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Janet.

Janet s <jgstev716@...> wrote:

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> ,

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> Do you remember what desert area Cheney was talking about???

> Thank you for your help,

>

> Janet

***He used the Mohave desert as his example.

> davidhall2020 <davidhall@...> wrote:

> Hi, Sue.

>

> I know Dr Cheney has been quoted as saying that PWCs would be better off at

sea level or lower. This would increase CO2, which has been shown to be low in

PWCs and according to Rich this happnes because on low output of it from

glutathione depleted skeletal muscles.

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> I think Dr Cheney even specifically recommended a desert area here in

California that would be ideal for PWCs to reside. He's recommended breathing

exercises to produce this same effect.

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> High altitudes seem would force the gland for it at the top of your adrenals

to produce more EPO to support increase production of red blood cells and new

capillaries. I'm by no means an expert, but I'm not sure moving to higher

elevations is good when you're attempting to heal from something that stresses

the adrenals already.

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[Guest guest]

Santa Fe is one of the most beautiful towns in the U.S.

> > > Sue T:

> > > Oh you betcha it would make a difference; from my experience. I

> > vacationed at less than a 1000ft last oct and what a great thing it

> > was, down from here, nearly 6000. I would move, if I could.

> > > Adrienne

> > >

> > > How crucial is low elevation for

> CFSers?

> > >

> > > Hi Rich and All,

> > >

> > > I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> > > availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

> issue?

> > >

> > > Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared

> to sea

> > > level?

> > >

> > > Thank you and Best Wishes,

> > > Sue T

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Adrienne

What state and/or country is Santa Fe in?

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Fri Aug 25, 2006 1:20 am (PST)

Hey guys; I live in Santa Fe: come see me!

Adrienne

[Guest guest]

, Sue T <morabshadow@...> wrote:

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Hi ,

Thanks for your response. So are you saying that also long as you

are not exposed to mold and/or the micobes are either silenced or

killed there should be no problems?

> Thanks,

> Sue T

You know that visible effect that Truckee High school had upon you?

It didn't seem like much, did it?

But that is the effect of mold.

I learned to recognize and avoid that " effect " .

And that is what made the difference for me.

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[Guest guest]

Oh my gosh I am so jealous.

I have a simple criterion for recovery, which someone asked me about

the other day. It's: I can go to Santa Fe for a few months, feel fine,

and hike on Tesuque trail or up at the trail behind St. 's

college. I will then celebrate with a hot tub at Ten Thousand Waves .

I haven't been in two years, the altitude really flares my symptoms, I

think it may be the babesia. I really miss the desert. I was thinking

maybe of going to southern New Mexico for a trip, or Arizona. I can

handle about 5000 feet, but when I get to 7000 or 7500, my symptoms flare.

>

> > State of New Mexico. The wild west.

> > You folks back east are funny.

>

> As is proven anew each month on the back page of New Mexico Magazine,

> which is titled " One of Our Fifty Is Missing. " It's full of funny

> stories about New Mexicans who had to pay international shipping on

> stuff they ordered, or convince Washington bureaurcrats that they

> actually did live in the US --- stuff like that.

>

> The fact that they've been able to fill this page, month in and month

> out for probably twenty years now, is a sad commentary on the state

> of Americans' knowledge of their own geography.

>

> Adrienne: my brother has a house in Santa Fe, and my husband spent

> his childhood summers there. It's sort of our collective family

> hometown. I was down visiting in April, and will be there again at

> Christmas.

>

> Sara

>

[Guest guest]

I think the babesia, by oxidizing the red blood cell and damaging the

blood vessels, makes it more difficult to be at altitude.

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> > > State of New Mexico. The wild west.

> > > You folks back east are funny.

> >

> > As is proven anew each month on the back page of New Mexico Magazine,

> > which is titled " One of Our Fifty Is Missing. " It's full of funny

> > stories about New Mexicans who had to pay international shipping on

> > stuff they ordered, or convince Washington bureaurcrats that they

> > actually did live in the US --- stuff like that.

> >

> > The fact that they've been able to fill this page, month in and month

> > out for probably twenty years now, is a sad commentary on the state

> > of Americans' knowledge of their own geography.

> >

> > Adrienne: my brother has a house in Santa Fe, and my husband spent

> > his childhood summers there. It's sort of our collective family

> > hometown. I was down visiting in April, and will be there again at

> > Christmas.

> >

> > Sara

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue.

At 5000 feet elevation, the oxygen pressure is about 88% of what it

is at sea level. For comparison, in an airliner flying at normal

travelling altitude, the oxygen pressure is equivalent to that at an

altitude of between 6,000 and 8,000 feet, which is between about 77

and 87% of what it is at sea level.

Normal, healthy people start to experience symptoms of lack of

oxygen if they are brought from sea level to an altitude of 10,000

feet in a short time. At that altitude, the oxygen pressure is

about 75% of that at sea level.

In a normal healthy person who goes to a higher altitude,

adjustments are automatically made to compensate for the lower

oxygen pressure. Initially, the rate and depth of breathing are

increased and the cardiac output rises. Over a somewhat longer

time, the level of 2,3 BPG in the red blood cells is raised. This

causes the hemoglobin to release oxygen more readily to the cells.

Over a longer time still, the total number of red blood cells is

increased, so that the blood has more oxygen-carrying capacity.

There are also changes in the lung's ablility to put oxygen into the

blood, as well as an increase in myoglogin in the red muscle cells

and an increase in the number of mitochondria. People are able to

live at an altitude of 18,000 feet in the Andes and the Himalayas.

I don't know how these various effects will be modified in PWCs. On

the one hand, PWCs don't use oxygen as rapidly as normal, healthy

people, because of mitochondrial dysfunction and a lower metabolic

rate. On the other hand, I think their ability to adapt would

probably not be as good. Some have low cardiac output.

I think that if a PWC already feels short of breath at sea level,

going to a higher altitude would not be a good idea for that

person. On the other hand, if this is not a problem at sea level,

then I think the next step would be to try raising the altitude

gradually and see what the response is.

Rich

> Hi Rich and All,

>

> I know there has been a couple of posts on elevation and oxygen

> availabiltiy for CFSers, but at what elevation does it become an

issue?

>

> Would 4,500 - 5,000 feet make a significant differnce compared to

sea

> level?

>

> Thank you and Best Wishes,

> Sue T

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sue.

Thank you. I'm glad to be back, too. I will probably be in and out,

depending on other things I need to do. I did get an abstract sent

off to the IACFS program committee. It's basically about glutathione

depletion and methylation cycle block in CFS. It will be interesting

to see if it gets accepted. I won't know until sometime after Sept.

15, maybe into October, depending on how fast the committee makes

their decisions.

Rich

Glad your back with the group . . . we missed you.

>

> Sue T